Cloud Chasing w/Sigelei 150w

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 1, 2015

So I'm building on my Sigelei 150w box and have been using a copper Doge clone. I usually run my box at 75w and I am using 22g ribbon wire by cloud chasers at 6 wraps a piece for my coils. My ohm resistance is .1 but I was told I cannot go below that .1 build. Can someone explain why I cannot? Because less resistance means more heat which means more clouds correct? Please help me get comp ready.

bwent · Jun 1, 2015

wrong, on a regulated box mod, which the 150 watt is. You really want to build for surface area and liquid wicking, I suggest you start by doing some research.

Bet I can blow bigger clouds than you with a 1.5 ohm coil, lol
have to crawl before you zip though the clouds

ps please don't use that on a unregulated mech mod. I'd rather not see your mech melted on facebook

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 1, 2015

bwent said:
wrong, on a regulated box mod, which the 150 watt is. You really want to build for surface area and liquid wicking, I suggest you start by doing some research.

Bet I can blow bigger clouds than you with a 1.5 ohm coil, lol
have to crawl before you zip though the clouds

ps please don't use that on a unregulated mech mod. I'd rather not see your mech melted on facebook

You literally didn't help at all, you mention surface area and liquid wicking and don't describe how to do anything of that nature before you try to charge me? Thanks for nothing sir douchebag.

bwent · Jun 1, 2015

wow, I told you to do some research. you must have noticed no one else wanted to touch this thread. That's because to teach you what you need to know would take more than a simple reply.

1) battery safety so you don't blow your hand off
2) ohms law so you know how much wattage a .1 ohm coil will draw
3) why does a 150 watt device only fire above .15 to .2 ohms, Because it will exceed safe battery operation. Think of it training wheels.
4) on a regulated device there is normally not a good reason to build so low. Why? because you can just turn up the wattage (see ohms law)

There is a lot of things a person who blows big clouds knows. If you really want to get into it safely you need some schooling and no one is going to it for you. watch youtube vids on building and safety. VU has a building section also.

dual coil 24 gauge wire 5 to 6 wraps will get you started

Breazy_Com · Jun 1, 2015

By surface area he means longer coils. For example if you had red hot flat pieces of metal on 1/4 inch long and one 1/2 inch long the 1/2 inch long one would give more heat because it has more surface area. You have a good box the 150. So here's what I do if it helps any. I'm using an authentic Dark Horse. I use dual coil 12 wrap 24 gauge kanthal coming in at .5 ohms. It will handle from 40 watts to 260 watts but I mostly vape it at 50 watts. Since the coils are longer there is more area to heat more cotton and juice giving bigger clouds. On the mech mod I use 5 or 6 wrap because 12 wrap would drain the batteries right out. .1 ohms is a little low. I prefer the .5 that I do but that's for me. Hope this helps.

piemasher · Jun 1, 2015

Thanks breazy. I just broke manhattan mech mod and got the sigelei 150 as a replacement. Going from the mech to regulated did have me stumped on if I should just throw my u then tic dark horse on. But it's like 3-4 wraps 2 2 gauge. .. so surface area would suck. Appreciate your post man!

CurlyxCracker · Jun 1, 2015

I'd have to agree, you need knowledge of ohms law before you jump into building so low. I don't think there's a reason to be offended or offensive about what was said.
All that said, not knowing ohms law, I'm happy you're using a regulated device! There are safety features on such devices that HOPEFULLY prevent malfunction or injury. Safety is first..
Most of these "comps" have rules... For instance you can't use a gauge lower than "22", or the build must check out to be 0.2ohms or more. And regulated vs unregulated normally are separated.
He did give sound advice, and I'd agree with the recommendations made...

injunear59 · Jun 2, 2015

Use the internet. Can be a friend here I read everything I could get my hands before I started building

CurlyxCracker · Jun 2, 2015

I also would like to add, technique is also a big part of it.
Love him or hate him rip Trippers has a set of videos specifically for cloud chasing.
No I didn't blow huge clouds when I smoked. But does that mean I shouldn't now that I vape? No. There's something satisfying in exhaling a huge cloud. And honestly, I enjoy the, bigger dick aspect of contests.
Vaping isn't just about nicotine delivery anymore.

RodThaVapenRat · Jun 2, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
You literally didn't help at all, you mention surface area and liquid wicking and don't describe how to do anything of that nature before you try to charge me? Thanks for nothing sir douchebag.

Wow you sure know how to make friends don't you,you little 18 year old shitbag. Information is what you needed he gave you information. Get some goddamn respect for people who help.your the kind of kid that got everything your way didn't you?

"War,war never changes"

CurlyxCracker · Jun 2, 2015

RodThaVapenRat said:
Wow you sure know how to make friends don't you,you little 18 year old shitbag. Information is what you needed he gave you information. Get some goddamn respect for people who help.your the kind of kid that got everything your way didn't you?

"War,war never changes"

God I'm starting to get old, eh? Lol

RodThaVapenRat · Jun 2, 2015

CurlyxCracker said:
God I'm starting to get old, eh? Lol

No kids just need to learn some respect for others that's all.

"War,war never changes"

kuntrytyme79 · Jun 2, 2015

I am running a 20 guage wire kinda spaced out a bit that's what my cape dealer told me to do and it blows massive clouds also make sure you have a Max vg on your juice

CurlyxCracker · Jun 2, 2015

kuntrytyme79 said:
I am running a 20 guage wire kinda spaced out a bit that's what my cape dealer told me to do and it blows massive clouds also make sure you have a Max vg on your juice

Like I said before, a lot of the "comps" specifically state not to use that low of a gauge of wire. No competition holder wants to be responsible for damage to property or people...

Vysium · Jun 2, 2015

I run a dual 22 gauge nuke wire by hotwires. It's a 5 wrap on a 2.5mm screwdriver, sleeper coil (Both coils on one strand of wire.) on my Sigelei 150 Watt with 2 High Voltage batteries from csvape and it chucks clouds.

msjs91011 · Jun 3, 2015

I run twisted 26ga kanthal, 5 wraps on 3.0mm Coil Master (shameless plug for a kick ass tool). It reads out around 0.29ohms and I run it anywhere between 60 and 75 watts on my sig 150 and it is in my own opinion that I chuck some big ass clouds.

I am in no way educated on the matter in all honesty but here is my "thoughts". I don't want to run too low ohm because in a way I am shorting out batteries to create this heat on the coils. However, if I run too high ohm I believe I'll just kill my batteries just as fast as low ohm due to the amount of power I need to send thru the coils to get heat. I know it's pretty low but I've found that 0.2-0.4 works best for me. And those are probably key words right there... "works best for me".

Now, for those who flamed the OP for his nasty reply, I understand where you come from. The very first response was honestly NOT very informative but it also didn't warrant such a hostile response from the OP. "DO some research" is what the kid is trying to do... in a way... I am in no way condoning a douchebag response though. If you're gonna flame me for my 2 cents just save it, you won't get a rise out of me lol.

CurlyxCracker · Jun 3, 2015

I want to, but no reason to! Lol. I've learned something when I was mentoring under a network manager at my local job corps. I was constantly running to him and asking him questions, until one day I asked something he didn't know off the top of his head, seen him open Google, search for an answer and read it off. The knowledge is out there. 9.5 times out of 10, you're not the first person to ponder something... All you have to do is look. A quick Google search on the topics mentioned in the response would have cleared up any confusion. Google is your friend. At least I'm not going around and posting "Let me Google that for you" links.

bwent · Jun 3, 2015

to be honest I deserved the douche response, but we also see a lot of posts like this. 22 gauge ribbon wire 6 wraps on a 150 watt device is someone with no knowledge trying to impress his buddies.

I will not be answering anymore of these help me blow big clouds posts (or reading them), I don't want to feel responsible for the people jumping into things they know nothing about.

BigNasty · Jun 3, 2015

Dude, I feel your aggro in finding your balance of cloud and flavor it takes time.
OK atty selection is going to be key here, Doge, mutation x, darkhorse, Baal or el cabron, airek clone.
Personally my favs in that list are the el carbon, Ball and darkhorse.
Next batteries mxjo at a min.

Since wire is cheap get a selection of 22-28 ga to try out, forget the ribbon it is kind of pointless by it's lonesome (I know people swear by it but I did not have any decent results and was a PAIN in the ass working with it. and FUCK rip trippers the dude is a shill and sell out)

OK so the sig has one function, go and no go.
you can produce some massive clouds at low wattage range with higher resistance coils that will rival anything in the tard ohm dead short range. Honestly right now in my Baal I am using the big bore tip, 5 wraps of 26 ga on a 3.5mm dual set up. reads a .48 and have put it up against a few others who also have sigs varying atty set ups with lower crazy builds and produced more in flavor and clouds that they do... how is that? well kept it simple and rolls a nice cooler inhale.

OBDave · Jun 3, 2015

piemasher said:
Thanks breazy. I just broke manhattan mech mod and got the sigelei 150 as a replacement. Going from the mech to regulated did have me stumped on if I should just throw my u then tic dark horse on. But it's like 3-4 wraps 2 2 gauge. .. so surface area would suck. Appreciate your post man!

How did you break it? Did it explode? 3-4 wraps of 22 (you don't specify ID, but still) is gonna be crazy low...I just put a 22g 7-wrap set of simple 3.0 mm ID duals on last night and that's reading 0.28.

In the "help I have questions" subforum I've put together a big primer on beginner cloud chasing - not just the builds, but recommendations on selecting gear, understanding ohm's law, the whole deal - and there are lots of links to threads where people have answered a lot of cloud questions in-depth already. Would suggest checking it out...

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 3, 2015

RodThaVapenRat said:
No kids just need to learn some respect for others that's all.

"War,war never changes"

Yout aren't even worth responding to seeing as you wanna talk shit over the internet, I felt charged. He told me I had know knowledge of ohms law and he challenged me. I felt offended and I defended myself. BTW ohms law I=V/R. Why don't you get some respect.

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 3, 2015

bwent said:
wow, I told you to do some research. you must have noticed no one else wanted to touch this thread. That's because to teach you what you need to know would take more than a simple reply.

1) battery safety so you don't blow your hand off
2) ohms law so you know how much wattage a .1 ohm coil will draw
3) why does a 150 watt device only fire above .15 to .2 ohms, Because it will exceed safe battery operation. Think of it training wheels.
4) on a regulated device there is normally not a good reason to build so low. Why? because you can just turn up the wattage (see ohms law)

There is a lot of things a person who blows big clouds knows. If you really want to get into it safely you need some schooling and no one is going to it for you. watch youtube vids on building and safety. VU has a building section also.

dual coil 24 gauge wire 5 to 6 wraps will get you started

Sorry I just felt offended because you basically told me I know nothing and proceeded to not help. My bad. Thanks for the advice.

RodThaVapenRat · Jun 4, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
Yout aren't even worth responding to seeing as you wanna talk shit over the internet, I felt charged. He told me I had know knowledge of ohms law and he challenged me. I felt offended and I defended myself. BTW ohms law I=V/R. Why don't you get some respect.

It got the point across didn't it?? And as for me not even worth responding to.............I will gladly swop with you ....oh and watch out for camel spiders they are fucking huge in the desert oh and stay frosty and keep your head down.

"War,war never changes"

CurlyxCracker · Jun 4, 2015

BigNasty said:
Dude, I feel your aggro in finding your balance of cloud and flavor it takes time.
OK atty selection is going to be key here, Doge, mutation x, darkhorse, Baal or el cabron, airek clone.
Personally my favs in that list are the el carbon, Ball and darkhorse.
Next batteries mxjo at a min.

Since wire is cheap get a selection of 22-28 ga to try out, forget the ribbon it is kind of pointless by it's lonesome (I know people swear by it but I did not have any decent results and was a PAIN in the ass working with it. and FUCK rip trippers the dude is a shill and sell out)

OK so the sig has one function, go and no go.
you can produce some massive clouds at low wattage range with higher resistance coils that will rival anything in the tard ohm dead short range. Honestly right now in my Baal I am using the big bore tip, 5 wraps of 26 ga on a 3.5mm dual set up. reads a .48 and have put it up against a few others who also have sigs varying atty set ups with lower crazy builds and produced more in flavor and clouds that they do... how is that? well kept it simple and rolls a nice cooler inhale.

Like I said, love him or hate him. He does have some good information, sometimes...

piemasher · Jun 4, 2015

OBDave said:
How did you break it? Did it explode? 3-4 wraps of 22 (you don't specify ID, but still) is gonna be crazy low...I just put a 22g 7-wrap set of simple 3.0 mm ID duals on last night and that's reading 0.28.

In the "help I have questions" subforum I've put together a big primer on beginner cloud chasing - not just the builds, but recommendations on selecting gear, understanding ohm's law, the whole deal - and there are lots of links to threads where people have answered a lot of cloud questions in-depth already. Would suggest checking it out...

I broke it by dropping it. It's not truly broken... just on a road trip. And dented the button housing so hard it no longer can actuate.

piemasher · Jun 4, 2015

OBDave said:
How did you break it? Did it explode? 3-4 wraps of 22 (you don't specify ID, but still) is gonna be crazy low...I just put a 22g 7-wrap set of simple 3.0 mm ID duals on last night and that's reading 0.28.

In the "help I have questions" subforum I've put together a big primer on beginner cloud chasing - not just the builds, but recommendations on selecting gear, understanding ohm's law, the whole deal - and there are lots of links to threads where people have answered a lot of cloud questions in-depth already. Would suggest checking it out...

But tbh on the dark horse I was running around .18 did .08 for a bit when I started when I was dumb. Never any issues though. Anywhere from 2-4 wraps is what I run on it

OBDave · Jun 5, 2015

Okay, well that's a little less bad, I suppose...still, with the Sig you'll probably have better luck building bigger coils in the 0.3 range since you can just crank up the power and deliver it to a coil with more surface area, which is just space for more juice to vaporize at once.

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

Just so everyone knows I have some knowledge of coil builds, but I built so low because I was told by the dude at the vape shop that the less wraps and the thicker the wire the hotter is burns and the more vapor expelled. I have either the 22 gauge ribbon wire or some 26 gauge kanthal. Cool builds for clouds? Like 7-8 wraps maybe, dual coil set up?

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

RodThaVapenRat said:
It got the point across didn't it?? And as for me not even worth responding to.............I will gladly swop with you ....oh and watch out for camel spiders they are fucking huge in the desert oh and stay frosty and keep your head down.

"War,war never changes"

Look I'm not tryna argue with someone over forums I'm looking for help on. I'm big on respect for others and the fact that you had to come in and start acting like you did was disrespectful and immature in my opinion, I'll be the bigger, younger man and apologize to you as well good sir. BTW idk what you brought up camel spiders for but I'm assuming you are a possible veteran so if that's the case then thank you for your service as well.

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

Could yo

BigNasty said:
Dude, I feel your aggro in finding your balance of cloud and flavor it takes time.
OK atty selection is going to be key here, Doge, mutation x, darkhorse, Baal or el cabron, airek clone.
Personally my favs in that list are the el carbon, Ball and darkhorse.
Next batteries mxjo at a min.

Since wire is cheap get a selection of 22-28 ga to try out, forget the ribbon it is kind of pointless by it's lonesome (I know people swear by it but I did not have any decent results and was a PAIN in the ass working with it. and FUCK rip trippers the dude is a shill and sell out)

OK so the sig has one function, go and no go.
you can produce some massive clouds at low wattage range with higher resistance coils that will rival anything in the tard ohm dead short range. Honestly right now in my Baal I am using the big bore tip, 5 wraps of 26 ga on a 3.5mm dual set up. reads a .48 and have put it up against a few others who also have sigs varying atty set ups with lower crazy builds and produced more in flavor and clouds that they do... how is that? well kept it simple and rolls a nice cooler inhale.

could you show me an image of your build brother? I don't know how to build parallel or anything other than standard dual coil setup at the moment, appreciate it.

BigNasty · Jun 5, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
Could yo

could you show me an image of your build brother? I don't know how to build parallel or anything other than standard dual coil setup at the moment, appreciate it.

My current build is just a dual coil set up. just 5 wrap each on a 3.5mm rod, it just works and works well in my dark horse.
A parallel is just two strands of wire instead of 1, or more if you want to drop the ohm load further. As much as I hate this bearded clown he does a great in depth on a parallel

OBDave · Jun 5, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
Just so everyone knows I have some knowledge of coil builds, but I built so low because I was told by the dude at the vape shop that the less wraps and the thicker the wire the hotter is burns and the more vapor expelled. I have either the 22 gauge ribbon wire or some 26 gauge kanthal. Cool builds for clouds? Like 7-8 wraps maybe, dual coil set up?

I'm more of a round Kanthal guy - if all I had was 26, I'd probably go for 7-8 wraps around a 2.5 mm bit to get the surface area up - I've actually done quite a few of these builds before I gravitated to 24 gauge as my go-to, should ohm out around 0.4-0.5 and chuck nicely from 60 watts on up.

CurlyxCracker · Jun 5, 2015

A twisted 26 parallel or a ribbon wire twisted with 26 (tiger wire I believe) would give you some great wire to work with! Personally I'd do a twisted 26 gauge parallel dual coils. Sleeper (one (two in parallel) strand the of wire) if you can do it. Rip Trippers has the parallel build tutorial posted above, also search for his Sleeper build tutorial,. Since the doge has a center post, not a "t" or block post. Twisted wire will lower your gauge requiring more wraps for higher ohms (more surface area) and parallel is basically two coils in one, also extending surface area

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

CurlyxCracker said:
A twisted 26 parallel or a ribbon wire twisted with 26 (tiger wire I believe) would give you some great wire to work with! Personally I'd do a twisted 26 gauge parallel dual coils. Sleeper (one (two in parallel) strand the of wire) if you can do it. Rip Trippers has the parallel build tutorial posted above, also search for his Sleeper build tutorial,. Since the doge has a center post, not a "t" or block post. Twisted wire will lower your gauge requiring more wraps for higher ohms (more surface area) and parallel is basically two coils in one, also extending surface area

Ahh I forgot to mention this but I now have the dark horse. Just got it a few days ago. Not sure if that makes much of a difference other than the posts being massive in comparison to the Doge.

AstroTurf · Jun 5, 2015

Wheres the cloud comp gonna be?

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

BTW thanks for all the advice everyone. I really appreciate it. I'm watching the video on the parallel build and it uses a lot of juice. Which I don't mind, I'm still gonna build it, but what about a build that's more about flavor and juice conservation, compared to clouds that I could throw on my old Doge clone?

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

AstroTurf said:
Wheres the cloud comp gonna be?

Ahh idk if you are familiar with Texas but it's in Eastland at this newer vape shop called Great Times Vapes. Last comp they gave the winner a God Mod so I'm hoping I can take the cake on this one. Not to use the God Mod I'd rather just keep my Sigelei, but just for some extra cash or just to have some nice stuff. Everyone likes nice things.

AstroTurf · Jun 5, 2015

Thats right... Nice things are Nice!

You may also find that you like the God Mod better.

Good Luck with the comp!

Jim

CurlyxCracker · Jun 5, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
Ahh I forgot to mention this but I now have the dark horse. Just got it a few days ago. Not sure if that makes much of a difference other than the posts being massive in comparison to the Doge.

Well twist up some 26g and make parallels with that! Dark horse should definitely fit them.

CurlyxCracker · Jun 5, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
BTW thanks for all the advice everyone. I really appreciate it. I'm watching the video on the parallel build and it uses a lot of juice. Which I don't mind, I'm still gonna build it, but what about a build that's more about flavor and juice conservation, compared to clouds that I could throw on my old Doge clone?

If you want to blow clouds you want to vaporize the liquid! Juice hogs usually produce some fine clouds...
As far as flavor, the doge isn't really built for that.... It's designed for cloud chasing. That said twisted kanthal, Google how to make a tiger coil, will produce the best flavor, imo, if we're strictly speaking coils. For flavor, I can't recommend the Derringer enough! Also, I prefer Japanese cotton over other wicking materials, some like rayon, @UncleRJ seems to be the only one ranting about ramie fiber, it's a pita to work with though, imo, strands fall apart, but I haven't given it a fair shot. I used rayon for quite some time and went back to Japanese cotton. I prefer it.

CurlyxCracker · Jun 5, 2015

BTW, which doge do you have? I have the one with the built-in chuff cap not the standard 510 drip tip hole. The one with the chuff cap is amazing imo, can fit dual 20 gauge and practically zero airflow restriction. That's what I use in competitions

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 5, 2015

CurlyxCracker said:
BTW, which doge do you have? I have the one with the built-in chuff cap not the standard 510 drip tip hole. The one with the chuff cap is amazing imo, can fit dual 20 gauge and practically zero airflow restriction. That's what I use in competitions

Yeah I get that man Rip Trippers was just saying that is uses wayyy more liquid in a parallel. Which is totally fine but I have the copper Doge clone with the built in chuff tip as well as the dark horse. So I wanna make one build for comp and one for flavor and more hits per drip. Like as if I had a daily driver mustang v6 for the fuel mileage, and a Shelby GT on slicks for racing. You know what I mean lol?

CurlyxCracker · Jun 6, 2015

I still say for flavor go with some style of twisted wire. Just do standard micro coils.

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 6, 2015

So I did a 5 wrap 26g kanthal parallel build and my Sigelei box says it's at .1 ohms? I know the chip in their isn't always 100% but I thought was primarily for the wattage?

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser · Jun 6, 2015

Can I still do that tiger coil if I only have the 26g kanthal and the 22g ribbon.

CurlyxCracker · Jun 6, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
So I did a 5 wrap 26g kanthal parallel build and my Sigelei box says it's at .1 ohms? I know the chip in their isn't always 100% but I thought was primarily for the wattage?

I'm assuming you made it dual parallel? 5 wraps around 2mm or 5\64ths will give you approximately a 0.11ohm build. Try something like steam engine (Google it) and you input your gauge, ID, dual/single coil, and desired resistance (may have option to put parallel, I use cloud.box (coil toy on PC, not even sure if it's supported PC anymore, why I recommend steam engine) on my phone so I'm not 100% on that.
They are online coil calculators that tell you how many wraps you need to reach desired resistance. I recommend you go 3mm ID, it will lessen the amount of wraps needed so you don't end up with a stupidly long coil. It's true you want to increase surface area but there is such a thing as too long...

CurlyxCracker · Jun 6, 2015

CoilBuldin'CloudChaser said:
Can I still do that tiger coil if I only have the 26g kanthal and the 22g ribbon.

You definitely can do it, I can't tell you how it'll turn out since the ribbon is a lower gauge, do a small test sample first, use it as a single coil rather than dual because the resistance will be crazy low with that wire. My guess is that it will be less resistance than 20 gauge, but I'm not 100% on what the gauge equivalent would be.

hitman4274 · Jun 18, 2015

put a 0.4 ohm build in there and it will crank to its full potential...

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