Feel free to hate me... [discussion/rant]

5150sick · May 4, 2015

An important man once said:

"People smoke for nicotine but they die from the tar."

I have yet to find the tar in eliquid.

5150sick · May 4, 2015

Who was the important man you ask?

Look at the first line under "history" to find out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_harm_reduction

Whiskey · May 4, 2015

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A lot of smokers are still waiting for these studies before making the switch but many will be dead before they find out.(posted by Ray)

(you posted) While this is most likely true, it doesn't really bother me. People who make risky health decisions, as it is, should be able to make another one and live with it. That's how I see it. You're already a smoker, and you know the risks. If you want to switch, but don't know the risks, and prefer to know the risks before jumping into it, just keep smoking.

Replace the with word smoking with vaping on your above comment and it looks pretty darned hypocritical to me

Hey! it's just Ray... · May 4, 2015

Whiskey said:
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A lot of smokers are still waiting for these studies before making the switch but many will be dead before they find out.(posted by Ray)

(you posted) While this is most likely true, it doesn't really bother me. People who make risky health decisions, as it is, should be able to make another one and live with it. That's how I see it. You're already a smoker, and you know the risks. If you want to switch, but don't know the risks, and prefer to know the risks before jumping into it, just keep smoking.

Replace the with word smoking with vaping on your above comment and it looks pretty darned hypocritical to me

What'd I do?

Whiskey · May 4, 2015

Nothing at all

was quoting his and your post

Hey! it's just Ray... · May 4, 2015

Whiskey said:
Nothing at all was quoting his and your post

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
As someone who's been vaping since 2011 and used to smoke up to 2 packs a day, I can tell you I feel better. I used to get up every night coughing and if I got a cold it took weeks for my chest to clear up. I don't have that anymore.

With that said, I don't necessarily think vaping is safe. Healthier than cigs, probably, but not completely safe. It's not the vg and pg that I worry about. In fact it's not even the nic.. Pg and vg are in many products we inhale and have been deemed by fda as safe, asthma inhales for one and nicotine is nothing more than a stimulant like caffeine. What concerns me are the flavorings. These food flavoring were designed and approved for eating, not inhaling. We don't know what they do to our lungs.

The real problem I have with vaping is the high wattage, sub ohm stuff going on. Too many people are interested in giant clouds and entering cloud competitions. These competitions are going to lead to problems. It has encouraged people to build bigger, more powerful mods and use lower and lower sub ohm coils. There's a safety issue here and mark my words, we're going to see more and more battery explosions as this continues. That's going to bring more attention to vaping and not the good kind. All that publicity is going to encourage more regulation.

To top it off, these competitions and the culture in general are attracting non smokers and I'm seeing more and more non smokers pick up vaping for the "culture", to look cool or because it tastes good. This too is bringing more regulation.

When I started vaping, 5-6 watts was more than enough to get u off cigs and 8-12 watts was insane. If you vaped more than 2-3 ml a day, you were considered a chain vaper and for all you who think that's not much, back then, devices didn't go through that much juice. Heck, 6mg cig-a-likes got me off tobacco cigarettes and I only used 1-2 cartos a day. Now people are vaping 15-30ml a day like its nothing and they're doing it as such extreme temperatures that the vg and pg are putting off carbonals like formaldehyde.

We need to stop that nonsense. IMHO there is no reason to be vaping 60, 70 or 100 watts, let alone 150watts. And please, don't encourage or endorse non smokers to vape. I believe it's safer than cigarettes, but it's safer to not vape at all. And please don't say it's ok if you are using 0 nic because it not. Nicotine is nothing more that a stimulant like caffeine, the problem is the flavorings.

That concludes my rant, let the bashing begin

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Great post..I can remember when 5 volts was considred crazy talk.....I remeber being on a forum and they were bashing some guy for vaping a 1.5 coil at 5 volt....I agree these teenybopper cloud chasers are going to be fodder for the state to use as an excuse to highjack the industry...for the children once again

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

Rayne said:
You guys really take the cake at either being dicks, or forcing me to take the piss out of this situation. This is fucking funny to me... I hope you guys get that.

Whatever. If all the "serious" talkers on here want me to basically make a political speech, lay out a ten step program for regulations, and find a way to overcome the government conspiracy (that I barely even believe to begin with), you're asking the wrong guy. I ask questions and make valid points; and in return, I get people talking shit like I'm trying to fix everything. I guess I've settled on laughing while crying. Yeah, that's a good middle ground for me.

This kind of response is pathetic at best. Fuck this thread. I won't even continue reading anything here. This has been entirely derailed, and the majority of the responses are from hotheads who took everything way too personally. This is no longer a discussion. Even I've stooped low in previous posts... this is just antics at this point, trying to win over a crowd with your buddies. I thought I left grade school years ago?

I knew this would happen... I just thought maybe I was wrong. I should have listened to myself.

I've tried to respect your views and be open to your points,but now you've just descended into a whinny little tantrum,because you lack the intellectual abilities to have a discussion that calls into question your opinions...most people here are not taking this personal except you....they are offering up their concerns and you are adrressing them by saying "you're mean I'm going to take my marbles and go home" fine go home.

Hey! it's just Ray... · May 4, 2015

Yeah I have never used the word "safe" or even "safer" when talking about vaping.

Myself? All (really) I've ever said was...
I don't feel like I'm going to be dieing anytime soon now.
It's almost kinda fun with every flavor you could ever imagine.
If this doesn't help a person get off the nasty cigs nothing will.

Hey! it's just Ray... · May 4, 2015

I remember back in the 60's and 70's cigarette forums were nowhere near as popular as vaping forums are today.

This doesn't fit this thread does it? My bad!

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

pulsevape said:
Great post..I can remember when 5 volts was considred crazy talk.....I remeber being on a forum and they were bashing some guy for vaping a 1.5 coil at 5 watts....I agree these teenybopper cloud chasers are going to be fodder for the state to use as an excuse to highjack the industry...for the children once again

Yeah, I remember when the norm was 2.8-3.2ohm coils and if you really want to push the limits, you dropped to a 2.0-2.5ohm. People bought ego twists and provaris and if you ventured past 4.0v, you were insane. No one even thought about going below 2.0 ohms, even with dual coil

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Smoky Blue · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
Yeah, I remember when the norm was 2.8-3.2ohm coils and if you really want to push the limits, you dropped to a 2.0-2.5ohm. People bought ego twists and provaris and if you ventured past 4.0v, you were insane. No one even thought about going below 2.0 ohms, even with dual coil

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and...... if it was like that then.. imagine what we could be doing, in the next 10 yrs?

nooo please do not say "Regulated Vaping"

even tho with some like I wont mention..
trying like hell to keep us in the nanny state of mind.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
and...... if it was like that then.. imagine what we could be doing, in the next 10 yrs?
nooo please do not say "Regulated Vaping" even tho with some like I wont mention..
trying like hell to keep us in the nanny state of mind.

Please don't misunderstand me, I don't want the government regulating how or what we vape. I'm simply saying that because if we, as a community, keep pushing the limits and going to lower and lower ohm builds and more and more watts, bad things are going to happen (like battery explosions and carbonals), we are going to attract more attention of the government. That's going to bring regulation in and it will get to the point where our choice is cigalikes and spinners.

We need to do away with things like cloud competitions. These kind of things are bad for vaping as a whole. The more we glorify vaping, the more the government is going to want to step in. Especially because the glorification of vaping is attracting teenagers and people in their early 20's who never smoked.

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M5amhan · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't want the government regulating how or what we vape. I'm simply saying that because if we, as a community, keep pushing the limits and going to lower and lower ohm builds and more and more watts, bad things are going to happen (like battery explosions and carbonals), we are going to attract more attention of the government. That's going to bring regulation in and it will get to the point where our choice is cigalikes and spinners.

We need to do away with things like cloud competitions. These kind of things are bad for vaping as a whole. The more we glorify vaping, the more the government is going to want to step in. Especially because the glorification of vaping is attracting teenagers and people in their early 20's who never smoked.

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they want to step in no matter what, even if we were a perfect industry in the eyes of the government they would still want to step in "to make sure we stay perfect and protect the children". doesnt matter what we do

but i agree with the sentiment, we should be more responsible and just take vaping for what it is. a very effective way to get off cigarettes for the long term

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

unfotunately cloud chasing as become the norm....I agree people should avoid doing bussiness with B&M s that sponsor cloud competitions.

Teresa P · May 4, 2015

They have no interest in protecting anyone, be it children, adults, you, me, or Joe Blow down the street. If they did, GMO's and Monsanto wouldn't be issues, among many other things. It's all about money and control. Very communistic attitude for a "free" country, in my opinion.

Smoky Blue · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't want the government regulating how or what we vape. I'm simply saying that because if we, as a community, keep pushing the limits and going to lower and lower ohm builds and more and more watts, bad things are going to happen (like battery explosions and carbonals), we are going to attract more attention of the government. That's going to bring regulation in and it will get to the point where our choice is cigalikes and spinners.

We need to do away with things like cloud competitions. These kind of things are bad for vaping as a whole. The more we glorify vaping, the more the government is going to want to step in. Especially because the glorification of vaping is attracting teenagers and people in their early 20's who never smoked.

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Not saying you are, @Mroutlaw

I do agree we as a group of people that do enjoy vaping, need to step things up and pay attention to what "we each are doing and allowing" and it is going to take only one person, and the media and all the abc government agencies will be more watchful.

I can not say we need to do away with clouds comps tho.. i wont go there.. no! I would like to see more actually.. that events and shops show and teach safe vaping.. that reward those that can show safety first. Why not start a new trend at YOUR local b&m doing just that?
Rather than wait for an accident and we get "Nanny Gov" telling us no..

In the end, its those that do nothing, non supportive, non helpful.. that will kill it all for us..
sometimes we all do have to become our brothers keeper.. in order to keep GOV from doing it, permanently..

CurlyxCracker · May 4, 2015

f1r3b1rd said:
Ummmm.... I spent 23 years as a chef; most of that time on some swanky places. I assure you, you do want your juice mixing done in more sanitary conditions. MUCH MORE SANITARY.
I've seen rabbit,butchered on the same board as chicken.
Chicken stored in a walk in above beef.
And a slew of other issues.

Maybe rent the movie "waiting." What goes on in that kitchen, while funny as hell, does actually happen. (do people still rent movies?)
Then ask yourself if you want "the goat" done just before someone mixes some juice.

I work in one of those swanky places now. I'm a cook by trade myself.
Let me rephrase, the way a restaurant SHOULD be ran.
I too have seen some unbelievable things. Like shrimp cooked it hot water with a dirty mop drained over it.

Hey! it's just Ray... · May 4, 2015

@Rayne...Your problems is with your job in a vaper shop not us.

And don't switch it up to selling cars either. Even though some cars are safer than others you can't tell people any car is 100% safe.

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

CurlyxCracker said:
I work in one of those swanky places now. I'm a cook by trade myself.
Let me rephrase, the way a restaurant SHOULD be ran.
I too have seen some unbelievable things. Like shrimp cooked it hot water with a dirty mop drained over it.

Way back in the day 20s or 30s George Orwell wrote a book called "down and out in london and paris" about being dead broke one summer in london and paris,and getting hired by temp companies to work in the kitchens of high end restaraunts in Paris....he wrote about how filthy all the kitchen of the 5 star eateries were.

f1r3b1rd · May 4, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
Not saying you are, @Mroutlaw

I do agree we as a group of people that do enjoy vaping, need to step things up and pay attention to what "we each are doing and allowing" and it is going to take only one person, and the media and all the abc government agencies will be more watchful.

I can not say we need to do away with clouds comps tho.. i wont go there.. no! I would like to see more actually.. that events and shops show and teach safe vaping.. that reward those that can show safety first. Why not start a new trend at YOUR local b&m doing just that?
Rather than wait for an accident and we get "Nanny Gov" telling us no..

In the end, its those that do nothing, non supportive, non helpful.. that will kill it all for us..
sometimes we all do have to become our brothers keeper.. in order to keep GOV from doing it, permanently..

My adv is usually in the 35-40w range and I drip In the 75-90.
Not cloud comps, its just what i enjoy.
Granted, when in crowded places or around kids I tone it down. Sort of my own personal vaping etiquette. I think that is more the way to go. Hell, I haven't wrapped a coil above 1 ohm since the dna30 hit the market. Quite honestly a 2ohm Rt at 4v would have had me double fisting cigarettes.

cobalt327 · May 4, 2015

I think there's one thing we can all agree on- there will be restrictive legislation and taxation on vaping, likely sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of time, and you can bet your last drip tip that there are government lawyers hard at it as we speak.

Supposedly the reason for rushing the DNA 40 TP device to market was to circumvent some sort of pending or inevitable legislation having to do with vaping safety. I wasn't able to find out exactly what this legislation was, whether it was on the state or federal level or if the story was even true or just a smokescreen to cover the shortcomings of the early run of DNA 40 boards. But the point is, when this first broke no one seemed surprised by the idea of lawmakers mucking around w/vapers and vaping in general.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

Teresa P said:
They have no interest in protecting anyone, be it children, adults, you, me, or Joe Blow down the street. If they did, GMO's and Monsanto wouldn't be issues, among many other things. It's all about money and control. Very communistic attitude for a "free" country, in my opinion.

Completely agree. I'm all for putting age restrictions on it, although it doesnt really help because of all the online sale, but the rest is all about the money that the government is losing in taxes and the money that big tobacco is losing in sales. Thats why most of the proposed legislation is just taxing everything, including hardware. THey want to make sure that even if you go to 0 nic, you will pay taxes.

As I said earlier, if they tax it, it may not be cost efficient to vape instead of smoking and alot of people will go back to cigs.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
Not saying you are, @Mroutlaw

In the end, its those that do nothing, non supportive, non helpful.. that will kill it all for us..
sometimes we all do have to become our brothers keeper.. in order to keep GOV from doing it, permanently..

my point exactly

Teresa P · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
Completely agree. I'm all for putting age restrictions on it, although it doesnt really help because of all the online sale, but the rest is all about the money that the government is losing in taxes and the money that big tobacco is losing in sales. Thats why most of the proposed legislation is just taxing everything, including hardware. THey want to make sure that even if you go to 0 nic, you will pay taxes.

As I said earlier, if they tax it, it may not be cost efficient to vape instead of smoking and alot of people will go back to cigs.

So the fat will continue to get fatter and they will continue to thin the population AND collect big on the mandatory "affordable" health care.

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

Well, you need to get a hold of some atties you like,maybe buy a bunch of clones if you don't have alot of cash. You can build a great mech mod from parts at the local hardwre store..Pg and Vg are easy to get.......the nut will be nicotine.....and when they start controling that..I will personally smuggel it in from Mexico.if they can't control the flow of drugs ans ISISand 30million aliens across the border,they have no hope of controling the smuggeling of nic base.

Teresa P · May 4, 2015

pulsevape said:
Well, you need to get a hold of some atties you like,maybe buy a bunch of clones if you don't have alot of cash. You can build a great mech mod from parts at the local hardwre store..Pg and Vg are easy to get.......the nut will be nicotine.....and when they start controling that..I will personally smuggel it in from Mexico.if they can't control the flow of drugs ans ISISand 30million aliens across the border,they have no hope of controling the smuggeling of nic base.

They'll take care of whatever they WANT to take care of, as usual.

Smoky Blue · May 4, 2015

pulsevape said:
Well, you need to get a hold of some atties you like,maybe buy a bunch of clones if you don't have alot of cash. You can build a great mech mod from parts at the local hardwre store..Pg and Vg are easy to get.......the nut will be nicotine.....and when they start controling that..I will personally smuggel it in from Mexico.if they can't control the flow of drugs ans ISISand 30million aliens across the border,they have no hope of controling the smuggeling of nic base.

I am already there, @pulsevape

see ya on the other side!

f1r3b1rd · May 4, 2015

cobalt327 said:
I think there's one thing we can all agree on- there will be restrictive legislation and taxation on vaping, likely sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of time, and you can bet your last drip tip that there are government lawyers hard at it as we speak.

Supposedly the reason for rushing the DNA 40 TP device to market was to circumvent some sort of pending or inevitable legislation having to do with vaping safety. I wasn't able to find out exactly what this legislation was, whether it was on the state or federal level or if the story was even true or just a smokescreen to cover the shortcomings of the early run of DNA 40 boards. But the point is, when this first broke no one seemed surprised by the idea of lawmakers mucking around w/vapers and vaping in general.

Would love to know more about that...not in here,this is not the place. But my biggest part of scorn for evolv is they knew it wasn't ready for show time; yet, still neglected to give it user upgradeability.

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

Teresa P said:
They'll take care of whatever they WANT to take care of, as usual.

tru dat...everything that is happening is because they want it that way.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

pulsevape said:
Well, you need to get a hold of some atties you like,maybe buy a bunch of clones if you don't have alot of cash. You can build a great mech mod from parts at the local hardwre store..Pg and Vg are easy to get.......the nut will be nicotine.....and when they start controling that..I will personally smuggel it in from Mexico.if they can't control the flow of drugs ans ISISand 30million aliens across the border,they have no hope of controling the smuggeling of nic base.

Im way ahead of you. Been doing that since we figured out how to re build a vivi nova. I have 3 kayfun v4, a Kanger Subtank Mini, and at least 10 different rda not to mention my old Kayfun and Russian 91. Im set for mods too. a provari p3, sx mini m, hana v4d and a VS RDNA40.

All i need to keep me going is cotton, wire, batteries and then pg and vg. With the exception of batteries, the rest will always be available. If I cant get nic, I'll just switch to 0 nic. For me, its more of the habbit than the nicotine at this point. I quit cigs using 6mg and about 4.5-5 watts and I'm using 3 - 6 mg at 12-15 watts now

Teresa P · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
Im way ahead of you. Been doing that since we figured out how to re build a vivi nova. I have 3 kayfun v4, a Kanger Subtank Mini, and at least 10 different rda not to mention my old Kayfun and Russian 91. Im set for mods too. a provari p3, sx mini m, hana v4d and a VS RDNA40.

All i need to keep me going is cotton, wire, batteries and then pg and vg. With the exception of batteries, the rest will always be available. If I cant get nic, I'll just switch to 0 nic. For me, its more of the habbit than the nicotine at this point. I quit cigs using 6mg and about 4.5-5 watts and I'm using 3 - 6 mg at 12-15 watts now

I'm down to 6mg from my original 30, so hoping to be nic free by the time Vape Y2K hits. Still stashing it in the freezer every payday though....if I'm off it by then, someone else can use it. Got a couple shoeboxes packed with atties and tanks. It's a shame it has to come to this.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

f1r3b1rd said:
Would love to know more about that...not in here,this is not the place. But my biggest part of scorn for evolv is they knew it wasn't ready for show time; yet, still neglected to give it user upgradeability.

Thats my biggest complaint with the dna40. If the DNA40 had an upgradable chip, I would like it just as much if not more than the sx mini. I prefer the ease of the menu on the DNA and the ability to change wattage with the buttons without entering a menu system. I also find it much easier to change the temperature on the dna. The only thing I would like to be added to the dna chip is the ability to control the boost/ramp up. It would be nice if there were 3 or 4 settings, similar to the sx mini or Provari p3

On a side note, Vaporshark emailed me that my rdna40 has been shipped back to me with the new Atty Lock feature, I'll let you know how it is. Still wish evolve would do this for the small screen too.

Sorry for getting off topic of the thread

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
Im way ahead of you. Been doing that since we figured out how to re build a vivi nova. I have 3 kayfun v4, a Kanger Subtank Mini, and at least 10 different rda not to mention my old Kayfun and Russian 91. Im set for mods too. a provari p3, sx mini m, hana v4d and a VS RDNA40.

All i need to keep me going is cotton, wire, batteries and then pg and vg. With the exception of batteries, the rest will always be available. If I cant get nic, I'll just switch to 0 nic. For me, its more of the habbit than the nicotine at this point. I quit cigs using 6mg and about 4.5-5 watts and I'm using 3 - 6 mg at 12-15 watts now

all that and not a decent atty in the whole bunch...get a genny.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

Teresa P said:
I'm down to 6mg from my original 30, so hoping to be nic free by the time Vape Y2K hits. Still stashing it in the freezer every payday though....if I'm off it by then, someone else can use it. Got a couple shoeboxes packed with atties and tanks. It's a shame it has to come to this.

Just got 250ml of 100mg nic base and put it in the freezer. That should last me a while. By my calculations, it will go bad before I can use it all, but the price dropped from 27cent a ml to just 10cents a ml by buying the 250ml one

Teresa P · May 4, 2015

It won't go bad in the freezer, you'll get a lot of mileage out of it.

BigNasty · May 4, 2015

Mroutlaw said:
All i need to keep me going is cotton, wire, batteries and then pg and vg. With the exception of batteries, the rest will always be available. If I cant get nic, I'll just switch to 0 nic. For me, its more of the habbit than the nicotine at this point. I quit cigs using 6mg and about 4.5-5 watts and I'm using 3 - 6 mg at 12-15 watts now

Well big fucking bully for you. that other comment no one needs 150 watts.. it has earned you a giant go fuck your self sideways. What worked for you does not work for everyone else and that short sighted shit makes you one of vapings' own worst enemies.
Seriously go back to ecf if you cannot wrap your mind around that.

Good you're vaping and not smoking but your short sighted views on what works for you should work for others.. if that is the case then toodle the fuck back to ECF. But outside of that I could give a flipping shit if you cram a 500 gigawatt .000001 topped device up your own ass with 95 mg of nic.

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

pulsevape said:
all that and not a decent atty in the whole bunch...get a genny.

I love the Kayfun. Tried the genny, didnt really like it. Had all the aspires, they were ok but I keep going back to the kayfun. And I really like the V4 and the top fill ability. Ive had 0 issues with it, even on Temperature control, which is all I run now.

But Im not a high wattage, cloud chaser so it does me just fine. For kanthal I like 1.2-1.5ohm builds at 12-16 watts and on ni200, my preference is .1ohm at about 17-20watts. Im much more of a flavor junkie and I find that the kayfun excels at that. Whats so awesome about this industry right now is that theres so many options and you can find what you like best. Want to make sure they dont take that away from us, but sadly its coming. If the bureaucrats have their way, we will all be using cig-a-likes.

My point was, Im set if and when then start limiting us. Even if the Kayfun isnt the best thing out there, its better than using a 2.5ohm cartomizer or ce2

Mroutlaw · May 4, 2015

Teresa P said:
It won't go bad in the freezer, you'll get a lot of mileage out of it.

thats what im doing

5150sick · May 4, 2015

BigNasty said:
Well big fucking bully for you. that other comment no one needs 150 watts.. it has earned you a giant go fuck your self sideways. What worked for you does not work for everyone else and that short sighted shit makes you one of vapings' own worst enemies.
Seriously go back to ecf if you cannot wrap your mind around that.

Good you're vaping and not smoking but your short sighted views on what works for you should work for others.. if that is the case then toodle the fuck back to ECF. But outside of that I could give a flipping shit if you cram a 500 gigawatt .000001 topped device up your own ass with 95 mg of nic.

I missed you @BigNasty

where have you been the last couple weeks?

cobalt327 · May 4, 2015

f1r3b1rd said:
Would love to know more about that...not in here,this is not the place. But my biggest part of scorn for evolv is they knew it wasn't ready for show time; yet, still neglected to give it user upgradeability.

Briefly, IIRC it was mentioned on a P Busardo video, when he had an Evolv honcho on w/him. If you'd like I'll PM you w/details if/when I come across them.

Smoky Blue · May 4, 2015

ditto here, @cobalt327 please...

cobalt327 · May 4, 2015

Will do, Smoky.

BigNasty · May 4, 2015

5150sick said:
I missed you @BigNasty where have you been the last couple weeks?

Things other than be on the comp yo.

Rayne · May 4, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
Rayne.. you should really take a bigger look and think on what you are typing. For real! Instead of yelling for regulations.. why not advocate for testing and research? HUH?? <<I would love to see a response from you on this. period. You say: "This is fucking funny to me... I hope you guys get that.".
By coming up in here, with your first thread.. and the responses you are getting.. it's "fucking funny"? my my..

Second.. this is a very tame thread. No one is jumping YOU.. but for the fact, every single post you keep making, leans to regulations.. and to most, including me, regulations means someone to stand over us, to limit us, to tax us, and to prohibit.. to tell us all what to do and how. What would be "allowed" and what wouldn't be. You want to live like that? I don't.

I havent seen anyone "talk shit" to or about you.... yet.. however.. my turn to say something, again.

I want better for us all, and watching from the side lines and helping in any way I can, towards better understanding.. will help more in the long run. As it is.. the states themselves are seeing what kind of money floats in this ""INDUSTRY"".. and to me, that is the wrong wording.. but it is what it is too.. If you have ever seen my friends from CASAA, SFATA TVM AVA and even AESMA speak.. you might learn a bit from them. Otherwise most here will take it, you work for the government depend on that government paycheck, and want to see this as prohibited. Why, why do you want regs to come down, have you lost someone to vaping, has vaping hurt you in any way? <answer this too.

but no one here yet has said anything cross to you, or jumped on you.. for if they did, you'd really know it and wouldn't behave like you are right now with the self righteous crap of

or maybe you should go buddy up to the FDA CDC and any other abc organization that will help you in your quest to kill off vaping as we all know it. You might fit in there right well.

will wait on your response.. Are you brave enough to explain yourself and your thoughts?

One last post on this bullshit derailed thread... because this one wins the lottery of not reading anything I've posted.

First off... This isn't my first thread. This is just the first one with anyone actually responding to it. Second. I'm not the one who needs to "take a bigger look" because there's very few people who've actually read anything I've written, and actually digested it before getting riled up and telling me how wrong I am. If you're implying I take a look at something else (like implying that I'm wrong in my stance, and I need to consider that), then you are definitely more passive aggressive than I am. Hats off.

Third. This is tame, but it's still a childish riot over the lamest disagreement I've ever seen on a forum; hands down, the dumbest shit I've seen to have caused a such a chaos when there was actually some value originally in it. And the only time I ever mention regulations is for getting scientific facts out, and knowing products are somewhat safer for very obvious reasons. I'm stating something, and not pushing an opinion... It's a well known fact that properly regulated industries produce more consistent products; which in turn means healthier products (like food, water, or in our case vaping supplies). That is not to be confused with loosely regulated industries, which is all anyone here seems to think is considered 'proper'... for some stupid reason.

Fourth. The personal interpretation of what regulations are (as a definition) should NOT be interrupting a debate over facts. When it is said that regulations would help benefit vapers by providing a better means of scientific facts, the emotional debate over regulations is a completely different topic... yet many people here seem to think that it's 100% related, and now I'm trying to control vaping... which is bone headed at the least. Sure, some have "asked" about what kind of regulations I'd throw in; but none of them were actually poised in a way that said, "I'm actually interested, and not looking for any reason to shoot it down and passive aggressively call you an idiot."

Fifth. My self righteous attitude is a mockery of you. Only someone who is on a high horse wouldn't see that. Get off yours.

Sixth. To think I want regulations because of any other reason than what I fucking stated is to assume my intentions aren't pure. The only reason I want to see some sort of regulation is because a lack of proper regulation leads to disastrous consequences. Would you prefer we let the entire medical industry go unregulated? You do realise there's a large amount of regulation there, right? If you're so against regulations, do you actually even want your hospitals to have a health and safety code? Where do you really want to draw a line here on regulations? My intentions are pure. I want regulations simply because it makes risks management easier, the science stays much more relevant, and new users can make informed decisions. I don't need someone to die from vaping, or need personal injury from vaping, to feel we need some regulation... just something basic, that many people forget about. Logic. And to answer those questions, no. Happy yet?

Seventh. My response is simply a means of explaining the simple fact that you really have no idea what I've been saying. Each time I make a point, a group of people feel like giving some knee-jerk reaction to what I say, and don't actually take into account that there might be some merit to dropping the fucking pro-vape train, and standing entirely on the sideline for a minute. Forget whether you vape, and what it's done for you. If you can't be an objective person, your opinion on a topic is pretty narrow-minded. The more I insert objectivity, and ask more questions, the snarkier the remarks, or the more it becomes subjective... which I've been saying we need to get rid of... since the first post.

Eight. I'm officially finished with this post. Done. Feel free to make another "are you brave enough" post, but I just don't care if you guys actually have anything worth saying now. I don't need to hear about how corrupt the government is, and why I need to let go of my side on regulations (or be told I need to explain it). If I wanted that shit, I'd go on a conspiracy theorist forum. Not to mention, I also am not asking anyone to do anything... outside of professing opinions as facts. I guess that is way too much to ask people in the 21st century. What a fucking depressing thing this thread has become. If this is the mentality of the users here, I obviously fucked up when choosing a forum to join.

Fuck this. I'm out. Peace. Enjoy your know-it-all attitudes. I just wanted a little more honesty in the community... fucking hell.

Whiskey · May 4, 2015

Honesty is all you got here, I think your mad because you were called on most of your text here, I think you knew what you would start and I think you enjoyed the hunt. Be well sir, feel free to visit our forum any time you want , you are always welcome here

pulsevape · May 4, 2015

bye bye..don't forget your marbles.That was what must have been one of the most boring redundant,longest,pointless screeds written.I've read the backs of ceral boxes that were more interesting and relevant.Since the users here are not up to your expectations I would suggest ECF as a forum where you may feel at home....it has a group of moderators there that I think really speak to your mindset.you can trade opinions on swiss cheese and number two pencils,and other real cutting edge kinda stuff.

After all you prefaced this discussion with the quote..."feel free to hate me" and then get your panties ina twist when people don't agree with you.

f1r3b1rd · May 4, 2015

bye bye

BigNasty · May 4, 2015

Rayne said:
One last post on this bullshit derailed thread... because this one wins the lottery of not reading anything I've posted.

First off... This isn't my first thread. This is just the first one with anyone actually responding to it. Second. I'm not the one who needs to "take a bigger look" because there's very few people who've actually read anything I've written, and actually digested it before getting riled up and telling me how wrong I am. If you're implying I take a look at something else (like implying that I'm wrong in my stance, and I need to consider that), then you are definitely more passive aggressive than I am. Hats off.

Third. This is tame, but it's still a childish riot over the lamest disagreement I've ever seen on a forum; hands down, the dumbest shit I've seen to have caused a such a chaos when there was actually some value originally in it. And the only time I ever mention regulations is for getting scientific facts out, and knowing products are somewhat safer for very obvious reasons. I'm stating something, and not pushing an opinion... It's a well known fact that properly regulated industries produce more consistent products; which in turn means healthier products (like food, water, or in our case vaping supplies). That is not to be confused with loosely regulated industries, which is all anyone here seems to think is considered 'proper'... for some stupid reason.

Fourth. The personal interpretation of what regulations are (as a definition) should NOT be interrupting a debate over facts. When it is said that regulations would help benefit vapers by providing a better means of scientific facts, the emotional debate over regulations is a completely different topic... yet many people here seem to think that it's 100% related, and now I'm trying to control vaping... which is bone headed at the least. Sure, some have "asked" about what kind of regulations I'd throw in; but none of them were actually poised in a way that said, "I'm actually interested, and not looking for any reason to shoot it down and passive aggressively call you an idiot."

Fifth. My self righteous attitude is a mockery of you. Only someone who is on a high horse wouldn't see that. Get off yours.

Sixth. To think I want regulations because of any other reason than what I fucking stated is to assume my intentions aren't pure. The only reason I want to see some sort of regulation is because a lack of proper regulation leads to disastrous consequences. Would you prefer we let the entire medical industry go unregulated? You do realise there's a large amount of regulation there, right? If you're so against regulations, do you actually even want your hospitals to have a health and safety code? Where do you really want to draw a line here on regulations? My intentions are pure. I want regulations simply because it makes risks management easier, the science stays much more relevant, and new users can make informed decisions. I don't need someone to die from vaping, or need personal injury from vaping, to feel we need some regulation... just something basic, that many people forget about. Logic. And to answer those questions, no. Happy yet?

Seventh. My response is simply a means of explaining the simple fact that you really have no idea what I've been saying. Each time I make a point, a group of people feel like giving some knee-jerk reaction to what I say, and don't actually take into account that there might be some merit to dropping the fucking pro-vape train, and standing entirely on the sideline for a minute. Forget whether you vape, and what it's done for you. If you can't be an objective person, your opinion on a topic is pretty narrow-minded. The more I insert objectivity, and ask more questions, the snarkier the remarks, or the more it becomes subjective... which I've been saying we need to get rid of... since the first post.

Eight. I'm officially finished with this post. Done. Feel free to make another "are you brave enough" post, but I just don't care if you guys actually have anything worth saying now. I don't need to hear about how corrupt the government is, and why I need to let go of my side on regulations (or be told I need to explain it). If I wanted that shit, I'd go on a conspiracy theorist forum. Not to mention, I also am not asking anyone to do anything... outside of professing opinions as facts. I guess that is way too much to ask people in the 21st century. What a fucking depressing thing this thread has become. If this is the mentality of the users here, I obviously fucked up when choosing a forum to join.

Fuck this. I'm out. Peace. Enjoy your know-it-all attitudes. I just wanted a little more honesty in the community... fucking hell.

Fuck me you snivel and bitch more than I have seen in a while.
Windbag.

Pull thine head out of thine arse.

cobalt327 · May 4, 2015

Dude titles a thread w/"feel free to HATE me", then whines, bleats and sobs when someone as much as disagrees. Don't be such a douche.

Feel free to hate me... [discussion/rant]

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