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TheWestPole

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@TheWestPole do you have a problem with fumes? I'm afraid the epoxy I used will cause dangerous fumes when heated. I might go to the hardware store and find an epoxy that doesn't have fumes when heated. I just used a heat gun on it to see what would happen and I got some pretty bad fumes.

No. And like I said in previous reply to you, consider how hot it actually gets. The juice around it is a heat sink. I consider boiling boiling point to be a conservative estimate.
 

TheWestPole

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If you find one that doesn't have fumes, please share cause its the only thing stopping me from attempting a wide chimney.

My 1/2" chimneys are press fits, no glue. This is possible because the upper section of the 2-piece Orchid chimney provides a lot of metal to metal contact area with the 1/2" tubing. I will take a picture of one in progress to show you what I mean. Just can't do it now.
 

Eric DeCastro

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project two done. I used the same super glue as you and tacked it in place, after it set i filled in and sanded down. I had to add some heat shrink because the tube was just slightly smaller than what the o-ring would seal and cause a tank dump. but with the heat shrink in place it's hold vacuum. thanks for all the help @TheWestPole your knowledge is priceless.
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Eric DeCastro

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the only thing that sucks now that I know how to do it is that now i want to build another one with a wide chimney. when will the spending cease!!!! *shaking fist* curse you @TheWestPole curse you!
 

TheWestPole

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project two done. I used the same super glue as you and tacked it in place, after it set i filled in and sanded down. I had to add some heat shrink because the tube was just slightly smaller than what the o-ring would seal and cause a tank dump. but with the heat shrink in place it's hold vacuum. thanks for all the help @TheWestPole your knowledge is priceless.
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@TheWestPole is a unrivaled when it comes to this MacGyver stuff :D
the only thing that sucks now that I know how to do it is that now i want to build another one with a wide chimney. when will the spending cease!!!! *shaking fist* curse you @TheWestPole curse you!

Curse me. You're welcome. :)

Thanks for the props.
 

bondo

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@TheWestPole do you have a problem with fumes? I'm afraid the epoxy I used will cause dangerous fumes when heated. I might go to the hardware store and find an epoxy that doesn't have fumes when heated. I just used a heat gun on it to see what would happen and I got some pretty bad fumes.
I would advise that you keep the epoxy as far away from not only the heat source but your juice as possible.
you already know how heat effects it but what you may not realize is that any catalytic epoxy is in essence,a quick bond plastic.
As with any plastic,these are composed of toxic, man made chemical solutions.
do what you will with it but IMHO it's best to keep the toxic crap in the cigs and enjoy the vape for what it is.
 

defvayne

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You can without any changes on the v3 orchid. For the others you need a orchid v3 chimney.

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Yeah I ordered the v3 chimneys since the 2 orchids I have are v4 and v5. What's the process of filling these up with the kayfun bell caps?
 

HellB

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Bottom fill. I did a trick on mine for am easier filling. Trim the chimney on the place of the filing hole, imagine that the chimney has a 1mm wall so go ahead and trim in the place of the filing hole till its just half a mm you will get more space for the air to escape when filling.

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TheWestPole

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I would advise that you keep the epoxy as far away from not only the heat source but your juice as possible.
you already know how heat effects it but what you may not realize is that any catalytic epoxy is in essence,a quick bond plastic.
As with any plastic,these are composed of toxic, man made chemical solutions.
do what you will with it but IMHO it's best to keep the toxic crap in the cigs and enjoy the vape for what it is.

I've made my point about the heat issue. But I have always removed all excess epoxy where it may contact the juice. Not comfortable where it can leech out over time.
 
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Eric DeCastro

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Yeah I ordered the v3 chimneys since the 2 orchids I have are v4 and v5. What's the process of filling these up with the kayfun bell caps?
as far as I know fasttech doesn't carry V3 chimney only V2 and V4 so you would need to trim back the V2 chimney also.
this is a V3 chimney
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Eric DeCastro

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Yeah I ordered the v3 chimneys since the 2 orchids I have are v4 and v5. What's the process of filling these up with the kayfun bell caps?
I have since removed all my orchid chimney's on my bell caps and use kayfun V4 evaporation chambers so I fill through the wicking holes. but when I did have the orchid chimney I would bottom fill with no modification with a standard dripping bottle with no problems.
 

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So I will have to shave the top down 6mm for the drip tip to seat right?

you may not have to, depends on the drip tip you're using. i was able to use my unmodified v4 chimney w/a kayfun bellcap & short pmma tank.

the excess chimney just sticks up into the area where the drip tip slides in. if your drip tip inner diameter is wide enough, it will slide right over/around the excess chimney that that protrudes past the o-ring in the top of the tank/cap.
 

Eric DeCastro

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you may not have to, depends on the drip tip you're using. i was able to use my unmodified v4 chimney w/a kayfun bellcap & short pmma tank.

the excess chimney just sticks up into the area where the drip tip slides in. if your drip tip inner diameter is wide enough, it will slide right over/around the excess chimney that that protrudes past the o-ring in the top of the tank/cap.
this is true.


on a side note of the full sized KF4 evaporation chamber extension if you don't want to epoxy cut and grind you can just buy this:
https://www.fasttech.com/p/2227404
 

defvayne

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you may not have to, depends on the drip tip you're using. i was able to use my unmodified v4 chimney w/a kayfun bellcap & short pmma tank.

the excess chimney just sticks up into the area where the drip tip slides in. if your drip tip inner diameter is wide enough, it will slide right over/around the excess chimney that that protrudes past the o-ring in the top of the tank/cap.
So boring it out a bit will help if it won't go through all the way?
 

TheWestPole

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I'm getting that feeling again. No new Orchids released in a while. Am I wrong in thinking that the V6 series showed us that Orchid evolution would just keep going forward, wild and headless?

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defvayne

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no, he is saying that a wide bore drip tip will slide over the excess tubing protruding.
So I'm confused. A wide bore is a drip tip with a bigger opening on the mouth side not the bottom part? So there is a step to the size?
 

TheWestPole

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So I'm confused. A wide bore is a drip tip with a bigger opening on the mouth side not the bottom part? So there is a step to the size?

The end inserted in the top cap has an OD (what the o-rings go around) of standard size, but the IDs vary. Some are big enough to clear excess chimney length. You can drill out most drip tips to clear a chimney too. Or shorten the chimney. Get the parts; you'll see.
 

defvayne

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The end inserted in the top cap has an OD (what the o-rings go around) of standard size, but the IDs vary. Some are big enough to clear excess chimney length. You can drill out most drip tips to clear a chimney too. Or shorten the chimney. Get the parts; you'll see.
That's what I was referring to, when I mentioned boring out the drip tip. Thanks for clarifying things up.
 

sohkis

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correct, i wasn't exactly sure what you were referring to boring out initially either.

but yeah, if the drip tip ID won't slide over the chimney that is extending past the top cap o-ring, you can bore the drip tip ID out slightly to accommodate the chimney that extends through the top cap. like westpole said, the ID in the drip tips vary so it's hard to say if you'll have to increase the ID or not.
 

TheWestPole

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That's what I was referring to, when I mentioned boring out the drip tip. Thanks for clarifying things up.

Even really simple stuff can hard to explain without illustrations. The first crazy long Orchid I put together had the excess chimney sticking ~1/4" up into the drip tip. In the picture below you can see it through the clear top cap. I did it that way just to demonstrate the three part tank and did not want to cut the chimney down yet.

Welcome to the thread @defvayne. :)

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Mykline

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Even really simple stuff can hard to explain without illustrations. The first crazy long Orchid I put together had the excess chimney sticking ~1/4" up into the drip tip. In the picture below you can see it through the clear top cap. I did it that way just to demonstrate the three part tank and did not want to cut the chimney down yet.

Welcome to the thread @defvayne. :)

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After being a tech writer for over 40 years, trying to explain something without illustrations can be hard because not all people can visualize what you are saying. I am blessed because I can visualize things.
 

TheWestPole

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After being a tech writer for over 40 years, trying to explain something without illustrations can be hard because not all people can visualize what you are saying. I am blessed because I can visualize things.

Yeah, I wish every bit of vaping hardware I bought came with technical drawings. :)
 

TheWestPole

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<SOLD> FS: Kayfun 3.0 w. Extra Long M-Tank, New

Bought this for the extra long M-tank, which holds ~10ml. Changed my mind when I decided to pay up for a thread tap to make my own customs. So it's new and a great deal if you were considering the extra long tank and chimney a la carte, which are really overpriced. Would like to get back what I paid.

Note: Look closely at the detail photo. There are two small nicks on the top cap. Probably dropped on the shop floor. I would just work them out myself but I don't want to put any time into it.

$18 including first class shipping. OBO or trade. PM me if you are interested.

https://www.fasttech.com/p/2197600
 
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Oggy

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How do you like building on it compared to the orchid? Is the airflow comparable to the orchid chambers with the wider chimneys?
 

M5amhan

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hey if we are sharing fast tech deliveries (orchid related of course :D) wanted to share my SMPL i got in today, this thing met and far exceeded my expectations, just wow. topped with bell capped orchid v3 and jufun drip tip, all fast tech items. highly recommended (all of it not just SMPL)

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TheWestPole

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hey if we are sharing fast tech deliveries (orchid related of course :D) wanted to share my SMPL i got in today, this thing met and far exceeded my expectations, just wow. topped with bell capped orchid v3 and jufun drip tip, all fast tech items. highly recommended (all of it not just SMPL)

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A combo I often use. Really nice in all SS. :)

First SMPL? Design-wise such pure functional excellence. Love 'em.
 

M5amhan

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A combo I often use. Really nice in all SS. :)

First SMPL? Design-wise such pure functional excellence. Love 'em.
yep first one. always had my eye on them and lately gained a new appreciation for mechs since i use the same voltage on regulated devices, so went ahead and grabbed one
 

TheWestPole

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yep first one. always had my eye on them and lately gained a new appreciation for mechs since i use the same voltage on regulated devices, so went ahead and grabbed one

I'm pretty much all mechs all the time. I occasionally buy a regulated mod only to sell it or give it away. The benefits just never seem to outweigh the virtues of unregulated. I have a several arguments on the subject, but they are too boring to repeat.
 

fq06

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Yeah, not much material there. Guess try tap same size to see if it will clean up or go up a hair to a sae size tap?

Toys broke out of the box :(
 

TheWestPole

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The smallest metric tap I have is 3mm. Thinking of trying a 2-56 which I have. Otherwise using a post from a scrapped Orchid.
 

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