http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/...ivery&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery
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FDA SENT Warning letters to vape shop
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Here are links to the three letters.
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm441314.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm441310.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm441302.htm
All three made false FDA claims.
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm441314.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm441310.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm441302.htm
All three made false FDA claims.
Someone said on FB that a few years ago the FDA want some type of paper work something about labs. I'll take a screen shot.
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Then I was reading some one said that the FDA can't ban anything that would take it to the black market. I don't know how ture that is.
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I don't think anything is beginning - people are using the FDA logos on bottles and such. Can't do that.
I hope you like Vuse and Blu ecigs. When you get your "needed regs" that's what you'll be vaping. Closed system cigalikes.
There is a massive difference in selling parts to Boeing and selling juice to individuals. I get what you are saying but individuals will buy the juice that is not burdened with excessive cost. Jet parts is a rather small demographic. There are few customers for your parts. Not so with juice. A B&M(or internet shop for that matter) that does not join any certification program will not have any problem selling juice cheaper than the B&M across the street that passes on their certificate costs to their customers.
US companies like TFA sure could refuse to sell to non certified clients but they will just lose customers to Hangsen(China) or FA(Itally).
There is nothing special about juice. It's very basic. Hell, I make mine in my man cave. And your safety concerns are exaggerated.
In order for an analogy to work, it has to fit the situatation. Using an apple to describe an orange doesn't work.
Maybe you are brand new to vaping. B&M's(most of them) are fucking juice manufacturers.
Yep. Those are my words.
Where is this self-imposed safety crap you speak of? There is none, and there will be none. It is not possible. Wishing it, does not make it possible or plausible.
Nobody is saying to sit back and wait for the government. The only difference between you and I is that I do not concede that any regulation is required, self imposed or otherwise, and you seem to think there is a need for regulation. If you concede that regulation is required, and the industry makes claims that they are self imposing these regulations, the government will simply say that even you think there needs to be regulation and the government should do it because the people that are making money can't be trusted.
So go ahead and keep screaming that we need regulation. You are going to get government regulation because you concede that it's needed. I won't join in your crusade. Instead, I'm going stick with my stance that regulation is not needed, self imposed or otherwise.
Asking for regulation is just plain stupid. All any politician has to do ask you if you think regulation is needed. Your answer, "Well yeah, but we'll do it ourselves. Everybody can trust us."
Both bring somewhat valid claims and concerns up.
So, let's take this regulation comparison up another step.
Let's look at the whole controversial GMO safety/labeling issue. GMO being genetically modified organisms.
Right now, Vermont is the only state to have passed legislation requiring GMO's to be labeled as such.
Currently, there is no way to find out whether or not a product you are consuming contains GMO's.
There is an independent agency called the Non-GMO project that is the only 3rd party verification program that certifies whether a product does not contain GMO's. They have a following of many people looking to avoid GMO's without the added cost of eating 100% Organic, Certified by the USDA.
So, in theory although differences exist, you could see how this could be beneficial to both consumers and manufacturers. At the end of the day, would you be willing to buy from a manufacture who has passed the verification process? Let's say in terms of simplicity of having an ISO certified Cleanroom and pass an industry standard chemical analysis testing per batch/lot?
Personally I would feel a lot safer and would probably pay the attributed increase costs, because all the government is waiting for is a few more slip ups. They are only looking to regulate based on damage control, generally speaking.
If we, as an industry could establish a recognized industry standard certification, I think it would only increase consumer & government trust.
And, just for shits and giggles, let's take a look at how the cannabis industry is starting to adopt such practices of certification and implementation.
So, let's take this regulation comparison up another step.
Let's look at the whole controversial GMO safety/labeling issue. GMO being genetically modified organisms.
Right now, Vermont is the only state to have passed legislation requiring GMO's to be labeled as such.
Currently, there is no way to find out whether or not a product you are consuming contains GMO's.
There is an independent agency called the Non-GMO project that is the only 3rd party verification program that certifies whether a product does not contain GMO's. They have a following of many people looking to avoid GMO's without the added cost of eating 100% Organic, Certified by the USDA.
So, in theory although differences exist, you could see how this could be beneficial to both consumers and manufacturers. At the end of the day, would you be willing to buy from a manufacture who has passed the verification process? Let's say in terms of simplicity of having an ISO certified Cleanroom and pass an industry standard chemical analysis testing per batch/lot?
Personally I would feel a lot safer and would probably pay the attributed increase costs, because all the government is waiting for is a few more slip ups. They are only looking to regulate based on damage control, generally speaking.
If we, as an industry could establish a recognized industry standard certification, I think it would only increase consumer & government trust.
And, just for shits and giggles, let's take a look at how the cannabis industry is starting to adopt such practices of certification and implementation.
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The 2 statements in bold. Government does usually regulate based on damage control, so I am merely repeating it.
A recognized industry certification will be hard fought for within the industry. The only one out there that I am aware of is AEMSA, and they charge so much per month to be part of the " CLIQUE" that it is prohibitive for many shops, and at the end of the game, their standards may not even be adopted, so all that money gone which probably should of been saved awaiting to see what regulations the FDA will be putting into place and so put it into that. The vaping industry is becoming more and more political within itself. There is a lot of money at stake for us in the industry and everyday I see "BLOATWARE" so to speak trying to cash in on the industry, from without and within itself.
I guess my point is that Govt. makes money off of regulating, one has to pay to play. And this is also happening in the industry. The best thing one can do is to stay informed, read, and ask questions.
FDA certified on a website always made me chuckle, since their are no governing rules concerning vaping or E-liquid manufacturing at this time.