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Really? Are you familiar with the McDonalds case? The only morons are those who provide coffee that's too hot to drink and is capable of 3rd degree burns.
The battery guy got off easy compared to Mrs.Liebeck.
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And BTW the crazy, outrageous settlement was equal to 2 days of coffee sales for McDonalds. Nor was it was the first time this had happened.
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Dude... you should be banned for posting that nasty shit.
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So, you think the skin of an elderly woman, burn more or less easy, than someone of a younger age?
Did you see their own admission, that she took the lid off when it was between her legs? You suppose with the lid off, and her legs holding it, THAT collapsed the cup between her legs?
Who cares if it was ONE day of sales. This was a stupid and frivolous lawsuit. PERSONAL responsibility.
People would be pissed and screaming, if their coffee came piss warm. ONE in 24 million cups served, resulted in a burn. I'm willing to bet EACH one of those is because someone did something stupid.
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no one was arguing that it hurt or it sucked,
The argument is the inability or refusal to properly handle the hot liquid (or any item) after receiving it from the employee.
One of those moments where most people think:
its coffee, if its not hot i'm gonna be mad, oh look i'll use one of the 4 cupbolders within arms reach, even if it means moving the cell phone,
Cars come standard with those cupholder thingies for a variety of reasons, that's why it's a cupholder, not a mod holder or phone holder. unless it was a Lamborghini I bet there were at least two within sugar pouring distance.
Were we supposed to get back to the battery or are ya'll not done beating the dead horse?
The argument is the inability or refusal to properly handle the hot liquid (or any item) after receiving it from the employee.
One of those moments where most people think:
its coffee, if its not hot i'm gonna be mad, oh look i'll use one of the 4 cupbolders within arms reach, even if it means moving the cell phone,
Cars come standard with those cupholder thingies for a variety of reasons, that's why it's a cupholder, not a mod holder or phone holder. unless it was a Lamborghini I bet there were at least two within sugar pouring distance.
Were we supposed to get back to the battery or are ya'll not done beating the dead horse?
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Yeah let's get back to the battery story. We've pretty much covered both opposing sides of the McDonald's story so not much left to say there.
Back on subject, Im starting to wonder if this whole story about a guy suing a vape shop due to batteries exploding is false. I have read it on many different links, and so far the same guy has lived in Arlington, TX, Houston, TX and Fort Worth, TX. Some of the stories say he was severely injured others say he had minor injuries. All the stories agree he acquired his equipment from Vixen Vapors, except Vixon only has stores in Fort Worth, Pantego and Crowley. Just starting to think something smells fishy with this whole story. And if its an actual story, then the case should be thrown out as a frivolous lawsuit, because it was user error and vixen vapors did NOT manufacture the batteries, just my opinion.
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Just to illustrate the point that the McDonald's case wasn't any laughing matter like most people think it is, since people were comparing the two cases.
But let's try to get back to the battery story instead of "beating a dead horse" as f1r3brd so aptly put it.
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Its not so much that, again.. The cup was Styrofoam and was very close to its melting point. When she took the lid off, the cup collapsed as the lid was the only thing making it hold its shape. So, the fault was not really her's, though they did find that she held some responsibility.
This was gone through several times in the courts. McDonalds lost before, and had settled several times, on the same issue. They were warned several times. They ignored them.
Also, everyone seems to think she 'won millions'.. she did not. The jury awarded 2.7million, but the judge reduced that to 3x the medical costs, so she ended up with around $250k. Not 'millions'.
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That was reduced.. she didnt get even half a million.
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So the battery thing........ false or not false???
I've seen so many threads on important vaping issues denegrate into an argument about shit
Not related to vaping.
I was trying to correlate a well known case related to personal responsibility to the personal responsibility with using batteries. A bunch of ex-smokers will argue about anything, and that's what's Gonne be our downfall with regulation. If we can't come together on this, then what? We all need to up our nice(myself included).
Now I'm sorry I bothered to post anything since my one statement has led to almost two pages of an argument that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Sweet Jesus I'm sorry, ya'll win.
back to the batteries, please?
I've seen so many threads on important vaping issues denegrate into an argument about shit
Not related to vaping.
I was trying to correlate a well known case related to personal responsibility to the personal responsibility with using batteries. A bunch of ex-smokers will argue about anything, and that's what's Gonne be our downfall with regulation. If we can't come together on this, then what? We all need to up our nice(myself included).
Now I'm sorry I bothered to post anything since my one statement has led to almost two pages of an argument that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Sweet Jesus I'm sorry, ya'll win.
back to the batteries, please?
I have noticed that too, and even with a story reported about these types of things , how do we know what all the facts are , speculation is harmful IMO, and its really not helping the vaping community
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Amen to that....
Can i say amen here?
If you want to say amen, then verily, truly, so be it.
The guy who sued winnebago and won because his camper crashed when he got up to make a sandwich after putting it in cruise control would be a far better example of stupidity and lack of responsibility then the coffee case. Or hell, any number of the people who sue McDonalds for getting fat after choosing to constantly eat there. Or how about the case where a lady tripped over *her own* toddler, sued, and won $80,000?
I also remember one a few years ago where a homeowner caught somebody trying to break into his house and the thief cut his arm on the window he broke. He sued and won because the homeowner *couldn't prove* the guy was trying to break into his house.
It's not just the people filing the suits, it's the courts and jurys themselves.
All that matters anymore is that you have the better lawyer.
No matter what you actually did and no matter what evidence there is.
I also remember one a few years ago where a homeowner caught somebody trying to break into his house and the thief cut his arm on the window he broke. He sued and won because the homeowner *couldn't prove* the guy was trying to break into his house.
It's not just the people filing the suits, it's the courts and jurys themselves.
All that matters anymore is that you have the better lawyer.
No matter what you actually did and no matter what evidence there is.
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They told me my medical records were private. How did you find out about this? And it's true. I was just showering with my gerbil and next thing ya know...
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I have been severely disabled since Dec 11th 1993.
Check my Bio: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/5150sick-tom.622/
I NEVER even thought about suing anybody EVER!
Why? Because I was raised better than that!
Have I been on disability and receiving benefits such as Medicare and Medicaid since 1996? YES
I had been working a part time job from the age of 14 until I turned 18 when I got a job in the field I was trained in at the tech school i attended.
I became a welders apprentice.
Do I believe that deserve these benefits?
FUCK YES I DO!!!
Holy crap, how is your hip doing now??
Not sure why this is directed to me... but i have no problem with someone recieving benifits like you are. I have a problem with people taking advantage of the system.... especially when they do that while at the same time complaining about the system that takes care of them.
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It wasn't directed at you.
I was proving a point.
I went through so much shit with that hospital born infected hip replacement, the first hip replacement that was a depuy that everyone is suing over that the stem broke, I had an unnecessary back surgery where they cut me open and "found nothing" that i could have sued the shit out of numerous people many times through my lifetime.
But i never even thought about it.
I was much more worried about not dying and/or not having my left leg amputated than i was worrying about making a buck.
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Its so important to educate your customers. It should be priority number one.
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Yes, that is what is left of my left femur bone after the infection ate away at the bone and flesh for a year and a half.
That really white bone in the center on the right isn't even mine.
it's a cadaver bone (came from a dead person)
I was also told to never fall down on it because the stem is so close to my knee cap it could punch right on through and end up poking out my knee socket.
If I dropped down to my knees with all my weight.
The doctor told me this is the closest to the knee that he has ever seen one seat.
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I am basically SOL if this one fails before some new super technology comes along.
I have a feeling at 39yrs old that this will not last me the rest of my life.
I am on my 3rd "20yr to 30yr titanium hip replacement" in less than 8 years!
I have a feeling at 39yrs old that this will not last me the rest of my life.
I am on my 3rd "20yr to 30yr titanium hip replacement" in less than 8 years!
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Not all lawsuits are frivolous.
When I was 19 I worked for a MAJOR realty firm in Chicago. They were hiring non-union people so that they could get their office spaces remodeled at the cheapest possible cost. I ended up falling off a ladder and severely injuring my back. Didn't even think about suing them. But to this day I have problems with my back and this keeps me from doing things that could increase my quality of life. I look back and ask myself why I didn't sue them. Even if you get a hundred thousand dollars, how long does that last over a course of a lifetime? Four years? Eight years if you're frugal?
When I was 19 I worked for a MAJOR realty firm in Chicago. They were hiring non-union people so that they could get their office spaces remodeled at the cheapest possible cost. I ended up falling off a ladder and severely injuring my back. Didn't even think about suing them. But to this day I have problems with my back and this keeps me from doing things that could increase my quality of life. I look back and ask myself why I didn't sue them. Even if you get a hundred thousand dollars, how long does that last over a course of a lifetime? Four years? Eight years if you're frugal?
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I have never though about suing anybody after going through this living hell called "life".
Which means to me a person would have to be a total asshole to sue a mom & pop Vape shop into bankruptcy because he decided to play kickball at a party with a pair of 18650's in his pocket.
It takes a special kind of living piece of shit to even think about suing someone over this.
I saw in a facebook group that some actually know this guy!
He should be shunned from the vape community.
Every single person who doesn't switch from smoking to vaping because of this story and goes on to die of smoking related disease's blood is on this guys hands.
I hope this keeps him up at night and then when he loses his case I hope that Vixen Vapes are rewarded their attorney fees.
I also hope they file a defamation suit after they win this case.
Which means to me a person would have to be a total asshole to sue a mom & pop Vape shop into bankruptcy because he decided to play kickball at a party with a pair of 18650's in his pocket.
It takes a special kind of living piece of shit to even think about suing someone over this.
I saw in a facebook group that some actually know this guy!
He should be shunned from the vape community.
Every single person who doesn't switch from smoking to vaping because of this story and goes on to die of smoking related disease's blood is on this guys hands.
I hope this keeps him up at night and then when he loses his case I hope that Vixen Vapes are rewarded their attorney fees.
I also hope they file a defamation suit after they win this case.
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Then once you do sue and if you have a severe medical problem do you really think doctors will be lining up to help you out?
Once you the fact that you are 'sue happy' gets on your record doctors will run as far as then can when you show up at the emergency room.
Doctors stick together kind of like frat brothers.
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What doctors? I didn't have any money to see doctors back then. I suffered through it. And to this day I have back problems. Let's not lump all lawsuits in with each other. It's one thing to sue a small mom and pop operation because you were reckless with your batteries, and quite another to sue a multi-billion dollar corporation because their coffee crippled you (forgive me for bringing that up again).
This lawsuit probably isn't going anywhere, except for giving more negative publicity to vaping. Anyone who carries high powered batteries in their pocket deserves to be a target for natural selection. It's pretty clear that anyone who knows the slightest thing about batteries will not believe that these things just suddenly exploded without coming into contact with something (probably keys or coins) in this guy's pocket. The fact that his genitals were burned is a sign from the gods.
As for the old lady with the hot cup of coffee: same thing. If you're dumb enough to put a cup of hot coffee between your legs with nothing separating you from scalding hot liquid except a flimsy layer of styrofoam, then you should probably be forced to wear a sign around your neck that warns the general public.
As for the old lady with the hot cup of coffee: same thing. If you're dumb enough to put a cup of hot coffee between your legs with nothing separating you from scalding hot liquid except a flimsy layer of styrofoam, then you should probably be forced to wear a sign around your neck that warns the general public.