Busardo videos usually annoy me, but this one made me physically sick

There are a few here I've noticed that hold the 2 fat ones almost in the same class that the majority holds ecf. Yeah they're fat and tell sex jokes, doesn't sound too different from a lot of people I know. Maybe someone will out them next and rthey'll be shamed like rip, whatever.

Steam Powered said:

Bingo. I think you just nailed the flaw in the thinking of the OP and the others here hating on Phil and the Greek.

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Or it could have to do with Phil's biased reviews, as with the Cloupor Mini. Those things were exploding all over the place, and he finally couldn't ignore it anymore. Good on him for finally withdrawing his endorsement of it, but it shouldn't have taken as long as it did. I don't really care for Phil, but I don't really have anything against him either. He seems like a nice enough guy, at least when the Greek isn't around.

Dimitris on the other hand, is just an opportunist. He put his name on We Are Vapers because he thought it would be a good thing for him, and it ended up being a turd. Now he's sitting on at least 3 vaping association boards, and the board of a major juice company. It's all about the $$$ for that guy. He's a businessman in advocate's clothing.

It shouldn't be a big mystery as to why a lot of people don't really care for these guys.

V4P3R eMAG said:

Or it could have to do with Phil's biased reviews, as with the Cloupor Mini. Those things were exploding all over the place, and he finally couldn't ignore it anymore. Good on him for finally withdrawing his endorsement of it, but it shouldn't have taken as long as it did. I don't really care for Phil, but I don't really have anything against him either. He seems like a nice enough guy, at least when the Greek isn't around.

Dimitris on the other hand, is just an opportunist. He put his name on We Are Vapers because he thought it would be a good thing for him, and it ended up being a turd. Now he's sitting on at least 3 vaping association boards, and the board of a major juice company. It's all about the $$$ for that guy. He's a businessman in advocate's clothing.

It shouldn't be a big mystery as to why a lot of people don't really care for these guys.

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All this hate lately about business in vaping. It's not a charity. Being on three boards shows hes active for the cause. If he makes money more power to him. I would love to make money in something I love and you can't deny he loves vaping. As to be a businessman in advocates clothing, well welcome to politics (not saying it's great, just the way it is)

Haters hating on two guys that do so much for our community. Phil has shown us how products work and spends countless hours doing so. Dimitris is one of vaping leading advocates. Both do a lot for the vaping community, Before hating, ask yourself what have you done for the community besides starting troll threads.

Might wanna check the spelling of CASAA in your signature.

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[...]Before hating, ask yourself what have you done for the community besides starting troll threads.

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I don't have to ask myself, I know what I've done. The difference is, what I do, I do in my local community and nobody knows about it.

Highly visible Youtube talking heads may certainly have helped people, but their motives are slightly more self-serving and egomaniacal than those of the legions of obscure area guys and association volunteers, whom you'll never hear about, who are the people who really help individual smokers quit, and work hard for vapers' rights every day.

They're the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of vaping.

Some people choose to be a part of advocacy, many others don't. I've been very active in getting local businesses to be more vape-friendly, talking to restaurant owners and such, getting window signage printed and hung. I've gone to my state's capital to protest house bills and sit in on committee meetings. I'm in the same camp as @Giraut. I don't need an audience to do that stuff, and I certainly won't call out other people because I feel like they aren't down for the struggle or doing their part.

V4P3R eMAG said:

They're the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of vaping.

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This statement is a complete crock of shit.. You've peppered this thread with bullshit accusations from the start. If you don't like them-DONT WATCH THEM. NO ONE IS MAKING YOU WATCH EITHER OF THEIR VIDEOS.

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This statement is a complete crock of shit.. You've peppered this thread with bullshit accusations from the start. If you don't like them-DONT WATCH THEM. NO ONE IS MAKING YOU WATCH EITHER OF THEIR VIDEOS.

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You sound like you're upset that I don't like them. I could care less if you like those guys, if you watch them, or think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. More power to ya.

No one is forcing you to read my opinions or respond to them, either.

I find it interesting that someone with a "Vape Media" tag is calling out others in the industry. No agenda there.....

Zanaspus said:

I find it interesting that someone with a "Vape Media" tag is calling out others in the industry. No agenda there.....

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But thats his schtick.. His blog calls out those perceived to be unethical. As far as I can tell anyways..

Midniteoyl said:

But thats his schtick.. His blog calls out those perceived to be unethical. As far as I can tell anyways..

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The most unethical thing a journalist can do is to put out knowingly false information. This--->"The bill for this China trip was covered by a few different companies, including Kanger, Innokin, and Cloupor"<---- Is a lie. Cloupor had Nothing to do with the trip to China. Cloupor was not involved in any way.

Based on how said journalist carries himself on the forums, I had just about enough of this adolescent douchebaggery and will make good use of the ignore feature. Thank you.

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Based on how said journalist carries himself on the forums, I had just about enough of this adolescent douchebaggery[...]

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There hasn't been true journalism in this country in decades. The latest nail in this particular coffin is two-bit bloggers that call themselves journalists: not saying all of them are shit, but 99% are just that - two-bit bloggers.

Vape media my ass...

Giraut said:

There hasn't been true journalism in this country in decades. The latest nail in this particular coffin is two-bit bloggers that call themselves journalists: not saying all of them are shit, but 99% are just that - two-bit bloggers.

Vape media my ass...

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I definitely agree with you there

V4P3R eMAG said:

They're the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of vaping.

Some people choose to be a part of advocacy, many others don't. I've been very active in getting local businesses to be more vape-friendly, talking to restaurant owners and such, getting window signage printed and hung. I've gone to my state's capital to protest house bills and sit in on committee meetings. I'm in the same camp as @Giraut. I don't need an audience to do that stuff, and I certainly won't call out other people because I feel like they aren't down for the struggle or doing their part.

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You are missing the point of having an audience, When you do things by yourself your one person. When you reach out to an audience and get them involved. Now you have numbers. Numbers of the people we need to take on the FDA and other parts of Government that are trying to take vaping down. For someone that's involved in the media you surely understand this and should back it. There are a large number of vapers that don't know how real the threat of loosing their right to vape is. The way Phil and Dimitris look shouldn't have anything to do with anything. It's the positive things they do for the vaping community that should matter.

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You are missing the point of having an audience, When you do things by yourself your one person. When you reach out to an audience and get them involved. Now you have numbers. Numbers of the people we need to take on the FDA and other parts of Government that are trying to take vaping down. For someone that's involved in the media you surely understand this and should back it. There are a large number of vapers that don't know how real the threat of loosing their right to vape is. The way Phil and Dimitris look shouldn't have anything to do with anything. It's the positive things they do for the vaping community that should matter.

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In other words, they should get a pass and be immune to any kind of scrutiny because some people put them on a pedestal?

Your ignorance is bliss.

I love how people muckrake shit based on basically nothing except that they "think" someone must be doing something wrong...or it looks suspicious...not a single hard fact to back anything up...no basis in any facts whatsoever...pure speculation...conjecture....I've always believed that if you work for someone and he's the kind of boss that's always so worried that people will steal from him whether they deserve the scrutiny or not, it's likely that he is so larcenous in his own heart that he can't help but to imagine everyone else is as well...the same goes for vape media and personalities that constantly stir shit up, questioning the ethics of others based on what they "think" must be happening and little else...they cant help but project their own less than ethical shortcomings on others...they cant help it...it's just the way they're built...

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Your ignorance is bliss.

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You're a Phil and Dimitri fanboy, I get it. It's okay that you are. You've been trained to believe that vaping is a "community" and that in order to fight against regulations, we must all remain united under the Phil and Dimitri flag.

Spike64 said:

I love how people muckrake shit based on basically nothing except that they "think" someone must be doing something wrong...or it looks suspicious...not a single hard fact to back anything up...no basis in any facts whatsoever...pure speculation...conjecture....

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muckrake [muhk-reyk]
verb (used without object), muckraked, muckraking.
1. to search for and expose real or alleged corruption, scandal, or the like, especially in politics.

Muckraking is not a bad thing. Facts were presented by a variety of sources, you have just chosen to interpret them differently. If you have another theory, or additional facts, then what is your position? How do you interpret the facts?

There are no "facts" to base any concrete conclusion on at all...just speculation...innuendo...drama...I have no theories...I dont deal in that concerning specific people...I'll leave that up to people of your ilk ...reads like the National Enquirer...lol

I'm a fanboy of anyone that supports standing up to Government regulations that would try to kill the vaping industry. I don't cast judgement one anyone for the way they look or the color of their skin. What is the media you represent? Where are your post here showing people what they need to do to support their freedom to vape? Attacking video bloggers that support the values of our vaping freedom, It looks more like an attempt to shine some light on yourself. Probably due to a lack of readers of your column. Little fish in a big sea. Small fry you better look out for the sharks.

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I'm a fanboy of anyone that supports standing up to Government regulations that would try to kill the vaping industry. I don't cast judgement one anyone for the way they look or the color of their skin. What is the media you represent? Where are your post here showing people what they need to do to support their freedom to vape? Attacking video bloggers that support the values of our vaping freedom, It looks more like an attempt to shine some light on yourself. Probably due to a lack of readers of your column. Little fish in a big sea. Small fry you better look out for the sharks.

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In your opinion, I need to be a vaping advocate in order to be credible. In other words, I need to support your point of view.

There are dozens of sites out there who DO support your point of view. In fact, most of them do. I don't believe in vaping advocacy as it exists today because the message is ineffective in my opinion. And until that message is changed, I won't stand behind it. I won't support it with my donation dollars. If you're looking for another re-sharer and re-tweeter, then you're looking in the wrong place.

How many members does CASAA have? A totally free membership, by the way. It was under 30,000 the last I checked. That's less than 0.3% of the estimated 10 million vapers worldwide. How much money have they raised for the struggle? Around $98,000 was donated according to their 2013 tax return. That's less than $3 per member. Average that out, and most members aren't donating at all, while others are making more sizable contributions. Point being, no matter how you do the math, it's pathetic.

I'm not trying to perform a drive-by on CASAA here. I think what they're doing is important. But at the same time, they're also insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Judging by their numbers, I'm actually in the vast majority with that opinion. In other words, more people support my point of view. Vaping advocacy does not have the financial power to fight public opinion on vaping, while at the same time lobby for it against Big Tobacco and Big Pharma. It's never going to happen. That money is never going to materialize to fight this battle on all fronts, and it certainly isn't going to happen in the halls of Congress where most vaping advocacy is focused. Legislation is bought and paid for. That's not an opinion, it's just a fact. Vaping advocacy needs to target the mainstream audience instead of always trying to stir up people who already vape.

There are two types of people in the world, those who choose to help people, and those who profit off the misery of others. Which you choose says everything about your integrity.

Breaking news: there are more than two types of people in the world.

My math teacher used to say: there are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't