Just got a Kanger Sub Tank. WTF?!

Everyone sold this off as so airy, it's TOO much air.

Bull shit.

I loaded this up with the same juice I use in my Billow. Air flow sucks with OCC's in it. The chimney is really small diameter IMO too. 30 watts has this spitting boiling juice on your tongue.

So far, NOT impressed.

I have yet to put on the rebuildable deck, but it's chimney is smaller than the one for the OCC.

High hopes in the reviews, has led to disappointment at this point.

I'm not sure who everyone is, but the everyone you talked to apparently has no clue about this tank. Take everything they say with a grain of salt in the future and don't rely on their opinions. The full size Subtank has very good airflow, but not as good as tanks like the Billow or the Atlantis. It also doesn't do well at all at 30watts. A better wattage is 20 to 25. The flavor is very good and the vapor is also good, but not on par with the Billow or Atlantis. Vape it for a decent amount of vapor and flavor at 20 to 25 and it is very good, anything more than 25watts and it spits and the drip tip gets too hot for me. Also, the RDA deck is very restrictive on airflow, probably half the airflow of the OCC coils. Kayfun lovers will probably appreciate that but I found it too tight a draw to be enjoyable for me.

You might want to try the Subtank mini. Kanger made some significant changes based on the feedback from the 25mm tank. They used a wide open slot for the largest airflow setting and it feels (and looks) like the Atlantis now. The build deck also has the same airflow and is quite good, easily doubling the airflow of the 25mm tank build deck. A couple of other noticeable changes on the mini is a deeper throat in the top cap so standard drip tips now sit flush rather than sticking up a bit like the 25mm Subtank and no more tiny spring loaded pin for the 510 connection. It now has a good size solid pin for better connection. You don't have to change the top cap to put in the build deck, and don't have to drain the juice in the tank. The top oring has been beefed up to hold the glass better so it won't come loose easily when filling so you don't risk spilling juice for the glass coming loose. Overall the Subtank mini is clearly a better choice as a tank since they fixed problems people noticed on the larger tank. This is especially true with the build deck that now has as good an airflow as the OCC coil (which has much better airflow than the 25mm due to large slotted opening). Not a bad tank at all really. But I agree the 25mm tank left a bit to be desired. All this being said, the construction of the OCC coils and tank mean this will still vape best at 20 to 25watts as far as I'm concerned. But don't let that throw you, it still creates a lot of vapor and the taste is great. Don't let the lower wattage concern you, this is not an Atlantis or Billow that needs the higher wattage to perform well, because it really doesn't.

It's too much air for someone used to Kayfuns, it's not enough air for someone used to drippers, so there you have it.
What made you downgrade from a Billow to a Subtank in the first place?

freemind said:

Everyone sold this off as so airy, it's TOO much air.

Bull shit.

I loaded this up with the same juice I use in my Billow. Air flow sucks with OCC's in it. The chimney is really small diameter IMO too. 30 watts has this spitting boiling juice on your tongue.

So far, NOT impressed.

I have yet to put on the rebuildable deck, but it's chimney is smaller than the one for the OCC.

High hopes in the reviews, has led to disappointment at this point.

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You are correct with your assumption if you have a billow its like a redheaded step child the subtank is great for those that have never dripped or are coming from a older Nautilus or protank but coming from a billow to a subtank there is no comparison two different beasts I use the subtank some but not much the billow gets the most tank use ... but remember its purpose its not meant to replace dual coil RDTA or any variant

freemind said:

Everyone sold this off as so airy, it's TOO much air.

Bull shit.

I loaded this up with the same juice I use in my Billow. Air flow sucks with OCC's in it. The chimney is really small diameter IMO too. 30 watts has this spitting boiling juice on your tongue.

So far, NOT impressed.

I have yet to put on the rebuildable deck, but it's chimney is smaller than the one for the OCC.

High hopes in the reviews, has led to disappointment at this point.

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Dont have mine yet, but, the Mini is suppose to have more air than the Subtank 25mm... Comparing it to the Atlantis, the Atlantis has more air than the 25mm version, and about the same as the Mini.. All three are less than a good dripper

Well, everyone gave the sub tank raving reviews. I guess I didn't do well enough finding better reviews of the tank.

Oh well. I'll just sell it and buy the mini. Too bad. I had high hopes for the tank.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

You want airflow get the silverplay or goblin, don't bother with another subtank

freemind said:

Well, everyone gave the sub tank raving reviews. I guess I didn't do well enough finding better reviews of the tank.

Oh well. I'll just sell it and buy the mini. Too bad. I had high hopes for the tank.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

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It doesn't have to much airflow by any means but there is a simple fix. I thought the draw was to tight so I just added a 2puffs adjustable air flow drip tip to mine. Big improvement IMO. Sorry it wasn't what you expected.

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Yeah I'm pretty new to the more advanced gear myself and I love my subtank. I can see how someone who has years of experience with other toppers or who has a lot of other options to compare to might find it lacking in some ways but for me the airflow is perfect and Ive found the 1.2 ohm coils give me exactly what I want for my all day vape without killing my battery after a couple hours. I know there are aspects of it that could be improved or that other tanks do better/differently but it's the first device that totally drove away the desire for cigarettes for me. Haven't touched one since I got it so it works in my book.

Keep in mind that it is all subjective when it comes to reviews.

I might find one topper to be the best ever.

But you may not.

No way to tell for sure until you own the device in question and if it does not deliver what you want/need, try to find it a good home and go back to looking for the perfect device for YOU!

UncleRJ said:

Keep in mind that it is all subjective when it comes to reviews.

I might find one topper to be the best ever.

But you may not.

No way to tell for sure until you own the device in question and if it does not deliver what you want/need, try to find it a good home and go back to looking for the perfect device for YOU!

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Oh, I agree. Reviews are subjective. But no one pointed out this things runs like any other of the Kanger family, like the Aero V2. It just has neat colors and a different coil (that is MUCH more expensive). Sure, it holds more juice too. But it seems all the reviews I had seen, made this atty out to be a airy, vape billowing monster. Which it is NOT.

It is a very poor way to find out, having to spend the money on the "latest hot gear" when that is what the reviewers are SUPPOSED to be doing for us.

I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I think the Mini Sub tank is probably another pile of junk too. Everyone and their brother LOVES the mini now. They LOVED the sub tank before. I think it may be just Kanger fan boys coming out of the wood work....

Don't get me wrong, the Aero helped me kick smokes to the curb. But it isn't enough for me now. I like an RTA like the Billow. I have 2 orchids now, and the airflow isn't as good as the Billow, (just drawing on the empty tank) but is still better than the Sub Tank.

Ya.. I wouldnt go with another Kanger if I were you then.. @nightshard is correct if you want a tank with more air.

Been wanting to buy one of these , but waited to see what folks had to say in the real world . Thanks guys for all this info .!

The flavor on the subtank is better than the Atlantis Imo. The RDA turns it into the looser version of a kayfun

If you like airy and enjoy the Billow, the SilverPlay will make you very happy. I can't speak to the Goblin so no comment on that. You could always get a 9-12 dollar orchid and drill that sucker out. I've got one I modded that now has more airflow than a Plume Veil, only down side was having to deepen the juice channels to compensate for the massive AF.
Edit: BTW thanks for the heads up, I was about to order the mini, I think I'll grab a couple more orchids instead.

anendeloflorien said:

Yeah I'm pretty new to the more advanced gear myself and I love my subtank. I can see how someone who has years of experience with other toppers or who has a lot of other options to compare to might find it lacking in some ways but for me the airflow is perfect and Ive found the 1.2 ohm coils give me exactly what I want for my all day vape without killing my battery after a couple hours. I know there are aspects of it that could be improved or that other tanks do better/differently but it's the first device that totally drove away the desire for cigarettes for me. Haven't touched one since I got it so it works in my book.

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You guys hit it on the nail. I believe the Subtank, Atlantis and other new sub-ohm tanks were created for people like me and anendeloflorien. Before getting the Subtank, I only vaped off stuff like the Nautilus mini, Kanger EMOW, etc. I love my Subtank, especially now that it is paired with my Sig 100 Plus. If you're coming from an RTA, I see now reason to drop down to the ST or Atl or any other tank system.

I also like the fact that I can rewick my coils again. It still takes trial & error, I have 5 used coils yesterday that I had been collecting, out of the 5, I ruined two of the coils, but the other three will be rewicked and reused, so that REALLY cuts down on the expense. Also, my ST leaks, but I've found a workaround and it hasn't leaked in a few weeks.

Just my 0.02 cents.

KillaB3E said:

You guys hit it on the nail. I believe the Subtank, Atlantis and other new sub-ohm tanks were created for people like me and anendeloflorien. Before getting the Subtank, I only vaped off stuff like the Nautilus mini, Kanger EMOW, etc. I love my Subtank, especially now that it is paired with my Sig 100 Plus. If you're coming from an RTA, I see now reason to drop down to the ST or Atl or any other tank system.

I also like the fact that I can rewick my coils again. It still takes trial & error, I have 5 used coils yesterday that I had been collecting, out of the 5, I ruined two of the coils, but the other three will be rewicked and reused, so that REALLY cuts down on the expense. Also, my ST leaks, but I've found a workaround and it hasn't leaked in a few weeks.

Just my 0.02 cents.

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They're kind of fun to rebuild huh?! It's a bit of a challenge the first few times and I'm still trying to get my wicking just right (still get a dry hit here and there on the last ones I built) but I'm getting there. I've only got one truly stock coil left which I'm using now, don't plan to buy anymore until these ones bodies are broken.

freemind said:

I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I think the Mini Sub tank is probably another pile of junk too. Everyone and their brother LOVES the mini now. They LOVED the sub tank before. I think it may be just Kanger fan boys coming out of the wood work.....

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Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone is full of shit and fanboys, everyone one ranted about how good the Atlantis was, well I just sold mine, because I didn't like it, because it wasn't for me and I do think the subtank is better, I have the 25mm and got the mini coming, and plan to keep using both when the mini gets here, and I have never owned a kanger product till the sub tank.

As far as airflow, most reviews did say the Atlantis did have more airflow than subtank, but I am not normally a lung hitter, so 2 holes open on the subtank is good for me.

Nailz said:

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone is full of shit and fanboys, everyone one ranted about how good the Atlantis was, well I just sold mine, because I didn't like it, because it wasn't for me and I do think the subtank is better, I have the 25mm and got the mini coming, and plan to keep using both when the mini gets here, and I have never owned a kanger product till the sub tank.

As far as airflow, most reviews did say the Atlantis did have more airflow than subtank, but I am not normally a lung hitter, so 2 holes open on the subtank is good for me.

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I've vaped an Atlantis two weeks ago (non modded) and IMO, the Sub Tank actually has LESS airflow. I can't lung hit mine wide open. Not unless I want to collapse a lung, anyway. I could with the Atlantis.

So, yes, I think anyone saying the subtank is more airy than an Atlantis is F.O.S. Maybe the Mini is better, but the 25 MM sub tank is a total dud.

And I am FAR from a Kanger fan boy, OR a Kanger hater. I loved my V2 Aero. Kanger makes quality stuff, but this was a shit idea in execution.

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I've vaped an Atlantis two weeks ago (non modded) and IMO, the Sub Tank actually has LESS airflow. I can't lung hit mine wide open. Not unless I want to collapse a lung, anyway. I could with the Atlantis.

So, yes, I think anyone saying the subtank is more airy than an Atlantis is F.O.S. Maybe the Mini is better, but the 25 MM sub tank is a total dud.

And I am FAR from a Kanger fan boy, OR a Kanger hater. I loved my V2 Aero. Kanger makes quality stuff, but this was a shit idea in execution.

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I think you got that backwards, freemind.. Everyone here and every review I have seen has said the Atlantis has MORE AIRFLOW than the Subtank, not less... Even the guy you quoted said so

The subtank, especially the Mini, has an edge on flavor over the Atlantis..

With a factory head in the subtank, it was looser than my buddy's Atlantis. I lung hit my sub without an issue. It is a big of a restricted lung hit, but far from a struggle. With the RDA in the sub, forget about it.

nightshard said:

You want airflow get the silverplay or goblin, don't bother with another subtank

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The Goblin's one of two drippers I've given thought to, based on a half-week's research..when I can afford build-stoff.

I'm gonna have to look up the silverplay and goblin.

See, I had watched a review of the Goblin and was gonna go that way, but I like the idea of the SilverPlay being able to use 95% of Kayfun/Russian parts, so I got the SP. Haven't ruled out the Goblin, just can't justify the $ at the moment.

After looking over the SilverPlay and the Goblin, I have decided on the Goblin as my next RTA.

Fuckin thing looks like a vape MONSTER. And when it's priced at the same thing as my Billow, who could complain?

I REALLY wish these RTA makers would wise up and put a top fill on them. Sucks having bottom fills.

Anus Braun said:

The Goblin's one of two drippers I've given thought to, based on a half-week's research..when I can afford build-stoff.

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Love the avatar

Reminds me of someone used to riding a Yamaha R6 or R1 and buys a ninja 500 and is disappointed.

Some reviews are non biased and given in honesty for what the product is.

Some reviews are just people who want to fit in with a crowd and feel cool that they have the popular hardware of the month.

Some reviews are based and those who want everything to be made for them.

I always take a review with a grain of salt as you dont know the background or experience to go along with it..One reviewer may have just come off a ce4 tank and into a subtank...I would imagine it would be heaven for that person and He/She preach the holy grail to the world with it.

My only interest in the subtank line is with the Nano version..seems to be the next line of basic tanks from kanger and i want to try one but with the 1.2ohm coil and hopefully able to make my own coils with.

Kanger is a killer company quality wise as are a many others but none of them will be able to make one tank or one device that makes every level of the vape world happy.

get your AFV to fully open. from there, rotate counter clockwise until you reached your desired airflow opening. you can now do mouth to lung. give it a try..

I have both the toptank and subtank.
The subtank has massive airflow versus the toptank. i use by SSOCC coils in both tanks and they fit fine i dont like the OCC coil because its large and takes up room in the tanks for juice plus they seem to suck up more juice then the SSOCC's. Both RDA's Included suck. no matter how you wick it or what coil you use it dry burns after dry hits. there a gimick. maybe i can drill some more holes in the RDA to get more juice flow but for now there in a parts box.

I don't know man, I like the STM and I still use it but I have never heard it described as airy. The original Crown has more airflow and I still use that as well. I'm not a fan of it but I know the TFV4 and TFV8 both have some nice airflow to them. Also take a look at the new Ijoy Limitless XL. Lots of great tanks out there with pre built coils and massive airflow unfortunately the STM and Toptank are not in that category.