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I was just wondering if there are any honest reviewers on youtube anymore? When I see reviewers act like a $75 chinese piece of crap RDA is the next best thing since Alice bread I know all honesty and integrity has been bought from that reviewer. It looks like the vaping industry is dieing slowly on the vine. It's very sad.
 

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I think there are but its a bit of a conundrum with me. As soon as the mouth opens I hear them talk in ways I dont want to listen to or other things that paint vaping in a negative image and I tap out. I have seen one a while ago that seemed good but I cannot recall who he was. I'll have a search later and see if I can find him. Some European guy. But I know what you mean, some are laughable.
 

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Todd is from the UK. May be him. The one I can't stand is the loud mouth Australian. No offense smigo I know you're from there but he really puts me off. Like wanna quit vaping if he was all I had to go on. The vaping bogon. Aye ya dick heads, let's have a vape. Not my style of person at all.
 

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I just use reviews to actually see a close up of 5he product itself. Most reviews as you know are just bs. I like Todd's reviews but he doesn't do cheap shit most times
^^^THIS^^^
I don't go to reviewers for opinions (anymore) but just to get a good look at what a product is.

And yes, Todd is not at all bought out, but also yes, probably 70% of his reviews are above mainstream. Sometimes WAY above.

He actually feels bad if he has to criticize something, Especially if it's from a friend of his (he has many) but he does it anyway.
 

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^^^THIS^^^
I don't go to reviewers for opinions (anymore) but just to get a good look at what a product is.

And yes, Todd is not at all bought out, but also yes, probably 70% of his reviews are above mainstream. Sometimes WAY above.

He actually feels bad if he has to criticize something, Especially if it's from a friend of his (he has many) but he does it anyway.
Yeah me too. I look to see a close up of the products. The actual reviews are BS. Every once in awhile I'll see someone new that actually buys their stuff and will give an unbiased review.
I also hate when you see reviewers talking about battery safety and Ohm's Law and then they do stupid stuff on camera. How can you take them seriously after that?
 

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I buy my shit, tear into it, and tell folks what I like and what I don't like about various items.

If asked what the price point is on most items - it's usually 50+ dollars. I've been on a US manufacturing kick lately, so...

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The only reviewers I trust are you guys. Real people just like me who have miraculously quit smoking via vaping, buy their own gear (and occasional win it), and give theIr opinion of said gear when someone posts here asking “anyone try x,y,z“ and “what do you think”?
YouTube is for seeing someone open up the gear so I can get a better look at the deck or just to see it’s size in someone’s hands. For some reason there are far too many sites selling rebuildable attys without providing a good pic of the deck. The single most important thing I want to see to help me decide if I want one and way too many sites don’t show the deck. Drives me nuts, but I’ll hop off the soapbox and reiterate that’s who and why I trust you guys and leave YouTube for a better look at a products features but not its performance, because I already know what they’ll say “this is the greatest thing since Alice bread”;)
 

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Todd is from the UK. May be him. The one I can't stand is the loud mouth Australian. No offense smigo I know you're from there but he really puts me off. Like wanna quit vaping if he was all I had to go on. The vaping bogon. Aye ya dick heads, let's have a vape. Not my style of person at all.
I hear you and Im an Aussie. I grew up in an area where there was a lot of that type, they were refered to as Yobbos, then Bogans, dont care who's around them, old people, mums with kids the rubbish just free flows at full blast. No offence taken at all mate I can't bear it myself. A spokes person too for Vaping here from South Aus. Imagine the ones from anti vaping and the gov checking his site out. Guess which state got hit with vape bans?
 

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Got burnt out writing reviews in my spare time ...started feeling like a conveyor belt and this was always a hobby not a job for me to do at my own pace

...way too much coming out to keep on top of and do each justice (worked out each I’d spend a month testing and week writing, taking pics and editing) which is crazy....there is also an element of trying to keep up with the latest releases and stressing over details people probably don’t give two craps about, which was part of it, so much so the enjoyment was getting sucked out of it...so I asked myself why do something if you aren’t enjoying it right?

May start again at some point but at the moment it’s been nice chilling enjoying some of my older atties again...

taken up photography instead as my new hobby, it’s really nice to try something different and capture some memories with the family as I go.
 

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The reviewers I watch are-

DJLsb (Daniel)
Mike Vapes
KJ Andy O
Pbusardo
DeucesJack
Vapor Trail
Zophie Vapes

Are they honest?
I watch reviewers to mainly see what the product I am interested in looks and performs before I order it. Nice to be walked thru menus with a visual of a mod I have.
Building and wicking tips too for my RTAs and RDAs.
 

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Got burnt out writing reviews in my spare time ...started feeling like a conveyor belt and this was always a hobby not a job for me to do at my own pace

...way too much coming out to keep on top of and do each justice (worked out each I’d spend a month testing and week writing, taking pics and editing) which is crazy....there is also an element of trying to keep up with the latest releases and stressing over details people probably don’t give two craps about, which was part of it, so much so the enjoyment was getting sucked out of it...so I asked myself why do something if you aren’t enjoying it right?

May start again at some point but at the moment it’s been nice chilling enjoying some of my older atties again...

taken up photography instead as my new hobby, it’s really nice to try something different and capture some memories with the family as I go.

You always did a great job on your written reviews and would answer any questions I had on a products you were reviewing .

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You always did a great job on your written reviews and would answer any questions I had on a products you were reviewing .

:hug:

thanks snap :hug:

honestly I think there are crossroads and pitfalls people have to navigate when reviewing, some things develop organically in how you approach and write and others are choices to be made along the way.

A lot of roads lead to where don said in the OP ...when I started out I’ll be honest, I was on such a path, let myself get influenced by others, but corrected it and kept in the back of my mind “fuck it, easy come easy go” just don’t be an asshole about it like some drama queens do.

any MFG worth their salt is happy to take Constructive criticism, if they aren’t they have their priorities wrong and aren’t worth investing time into anyway in my book ...walked away from many Companies in my time reviewing because of this.

Just never felt the need to air it publicly though....remain professional, staff change and so do mentalities, never close a door unless you know it never should be opened again...help people to make things better, don’t bash them over the head because its crap, we learn from our mistakes it’s the best teacher out there.

Unless of course something is just plain dangerous ...that deserves calling them however to get it fixed prompto
 

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I also hate when you see reviewers talking about battery safety and Ohm's Law and then they do stupid stuff on camera. How can you take them seriously after that?
Let's get this on the table. How does it make sense to tell somebody not to build this low on a mech unless you really know what you're doing? As if the battery knows that you're an experienced user and will therefore behave better at .08 than if you were a mech noob.

A .08 build is a .08 build whether somebody's been a mech user for 10 years or 10 minutes. An experienced vaper should understand the risks better than a noob, but the risks are the same.
 

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Let's get this on the table. How does it make sense to tell somebody not to build this low on a mech unless you really know what you're doing? As if the battery knows that you're an experienced user and will therefore behave better at .08 than if you were a mech noob.

A .08 build is a .08 build whether somebody's been a mech user for 10 years or 10 minutes. An experienced vaper should understand the risks better than a noob, but the risks are the same.
yes Yes YES! That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm glad someone got it. Another thing that always makes me cringe is when they put a new build in an RDA then sit there and pulse it on a mech mod without checking it on a meter or atleast a regulated mod first. You can just here some noob saying "It's ok. That's how SO AND SO does it."
 

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I just remembered another one. I was watching a review of a hybrid mec mod. The reviewer put a battery in before he put the RDA on then was demonstrating how short the throw on the fire button was. Every time he pushed the fire button I was waiting for sparks. Should it be a problem? No. Is it safe to do so? HELL NO! What was worse is he was told about it and got indignant for being called out. This guy was one that droned on and on about safety and ohms law. I'm only human and we all make mistakes. If someone points out to me something I can do better and safer I'm all for it.
 
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yes Yes YES! That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm glad someone got it. Another thing that always makes me cringe is when they put a new build in an RDA then sit there and pulse it on a mech mod without checking it on a meter or atleast a regulated mod first. You can just here some noob saying "It's ok. That's how SO AND SO does it."
To be fair here, I can see somebody who's been building their own coils for years and is working with mods and RDAs that they've had forever and know like the back of their hand doing this for themselves. They know what the coils are and what they're going to do in this equipment with these batteries. Experience would make a difference in this scenario.

HOWEVER. That's not the same as doing it in front of thousands of people in a public video.
 

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To be fair here, I can see somebody who's been building their own coils for years and is working with mods and RDAs that they've had forever and know like the back of their hand doing this for themselves. They know what the coils are and what they're going to do in this equipment with these batteries. Experience would make a difference in this scenario.

HOWEVER. That's not the same as doing it in front of thousands of people in a public video.
Agreed. If I said I've never done it that would be a lie. But I've never done it on a new RDA with coils someone else built. And I've never done it on camera in front of thousands of people. I'm just saying don't lecture people then make a video showing that you don't follow your own advice.
 

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All I know is when I hear a reviewer say something hits hard and they don’t prove it, they are shit.

Yeah you vape .09 ( or lower) on a mech... that alone will make you feel it’s hitting hard... but it’s all anecdotal.

Sure, any device combo can vape great, no denying that... but when I see reviewers and individuals say something hits hard, and I ask about voltage, the reply is always the same... “ hits hard to me” or “trust me, it hits hard”

Yeah you can fuck off with that nonsense


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All I know is when I hear a reviewer say something hits hard and they don’t prove it, they are shit.

Yeah you vape .09 ( or lower) on a mech... that alone will make you feel it’s hitting hard... but it’s all anecdotal.

Sure, any device combo can vape great, no denying that... but when I see reviewers and individuals say something hits hard, and I ask about voltage, the reply is always the same... “ hits hard to me” or “trust me, it hits hard”

Yeah you can fuck off with that nonsense


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Haha! Or you have reviewers that everything they have hits hard. I know I use basically the same kinds of RDAs and mech mods. I use the same coils in everything. I use 20S, 2070C or 30T batteries. If I have something that doesn't hit hard like I like I fix it or shelve it.
 

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Haha! Or you have reviewers that everything they have hits hard. I know I use basically the same kinds of RDAs and mech mods. I use the same coils in everything. I use 20S, 2070C or 30T batteries. If I have something that doesn't hit hard like I like I fix it or shelve it.

Yeah... I get if a reviewer raves about QoL improvements in RDAs or a new designed mech that has a cool design or interesting button... the totality vapes nice... I get that, truly.

But do go off saying it hits hard and don’t prove it. Be complete with your review... not just the anecdotal side of it.

Everything I get I test... not a full proof way of testing like Mooch...but I have a control mech/rda with a set of easily replicated coils. I use the same battery.

New RDA... slap in coils on the control mech.... new mech... slap in the control RDA... take a voltage read at the terminals...

Hardest hitting mech I own is the OG Grip, and the voltage loss on that even tested by mooch was minimal.

The Viking Grip... not as good... but not OMG it’s sucks in comparison... it was in the range where one couldn’t discern the loss difference.


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I was just wondering if there are any honest reviewers on youtube anymore? When I see reviewers act like a $75 chinese piece of crap RDA is the next best thing since Alice bread I know all honesty and integrity has been bought from that reviewer. It looks like the vaping industry is dieing slowly on the vine. It's very sad.
You know back in the day, before the Chinese flooded the market with shit, and there were alot of modders around the world...the modders didn't have enough money to really bribe the reviewers with....a reviewer might get a free mod or atty, but the modders didn't have much money....since the Chinese corporations stole all the modders designs and started cloning them the modders were driven out of bussiness....and there is less competition for the vaper dollar...now the chinese corporations have the money and motive to bribe a reviewer...or as they call it now"collaberate" on releasing the reviewers own design..There are some honest reviewers but they mostly review high end gear.
 

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You know back in the day, before the Chinese flooded the market with shit, and there were alot of modders around the world...the modders didn't have enough money to really bribe the reviewers with....a reviewer might get a free mod or atty, but the modders didn't have much money....since the Chinese corporations stole all the modders designs and started cloning them the modders were driven out of bussiness....and there is less competition for the vaper dollar...now the chinese corporations have the money and motive to bribe a reviewer...or as they call it now"collaberate" on releasing the reviewers own design..
Mike Vapes the sellout comes to mind. Can't stand that asshole. He's the biggest sellout and phony on youtube. Then you have idiots like AmbitionZ that can't even correctly pronounce the name of an RDA he supposedly designed correctly.
 

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See if Legion Vapes is still on YT. He’s great. He’s in Oz, but he’s from N. America. Really good guy. If he reviews, he uses it for a month or so. He helped me so much when I started vaping again.

Edit: He builds too, and reviews shit I don’t use too. But he’s my go to guy. Or was.
 

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An R&D crew that actually knew what they were doing would be really helpful. An engineering degree by itself doesn't qualify somebody to design an atomizer or mod. Being a discriminating and discerning vaper is a much better qualification. Both would be even better. It seems clear to me that some of the people designing some of these products are not themselves serious and knowledgeable vapers. They're engineering and marketing people trying to design something that THEY think will sell. Some of them must be.

I could be wrong, but I bet that a good percentage of the folks designing and making business decisions regarding rebuildable atomizers don't use them themselves as a preferred regular vape.
 
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Overall, I just don't watch reviewers anymore.

I used to watch Pbusardo. I think he's the reason I became a Svoe Mesto fan. His whole 'it may be an ugly build but it works' was what I liked the most about him.

I watched DJlsb to troubleshoot mods with chips. Internals interest me.

I watched Rip for awhile to see what maddening builds that were showing up.

I watched Jaihaze for his destroying of shit and because he deals with a good range of shit from regulated to mechanical.

I still watch Todd from time to time - not often - but just to see what newfangled shit he gets in.

I STILL watch Mooch. Because... Batteries.

If it weren't for the above mentioned, I would still be smoking like a fuckin' fire pit right now. I would have also probably vented the shit out of more batteries. From the day I started, until now, my interest in newer, more complex shit has greatly increased. Granted, I rock mechanical mods mostly, with simple build decks and whatnot. I like complex and intricate devices and atomizers. The most fun I've ever had was building on an Igo W6. Complicated shit like that excites me.

But yeah that's why I enjoyed Wire and mesh builds. Complicated to get right, but the rewards were great flavors and a dick kicking vape.

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An R&D crew that actually knew what they were doing would be really helpful. An engineering degree by itself doesn't qualify somebody to design an atomizer or mod. Being a discriminating and discerning vaper is a much better qualification. Both would be even better. It seems clear to me that some pf the people designing some of these products are not themselves serious and knowledgeable vapers. They're engineering and marketing people trying to design something that THEY think will sell. Some of them must be.

I could be wrong, but I bet that a good percentage of the folks designing and making business decisions regarding rebuildable atomizers don't use them themselves as a preferred regular vape.
I'm an engineer, and if I designed anything, it would be for me personal use and only my personal use. Why? Because I don't make things easy for someone to pick up and use.

How would I rate my own work? I wouldn't. If I had the equipment to crank out hundreds of thousands or millions of pieces to sell to the masses, I'd be bankrupt because nobody would buy my shit and it wouldn't leave the shop until it was impeccable. If a thread so much as had a burr on it, I'd lose my fucking marbles. If machining dust was present, I'd lose my fucking marbles. If something didn't fit together the way it was intended... Marbles lost. Of course, I'd also make everything compatible with everything else. I can't stand shit that is made in the same factory, by the same manufacturer, to the same specifications, yet something doesn't fit together properly.

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I watch Mike Vapes and Vaping With Vic. Mainly, as others have noted, to get close-up views of the products and, for RTAs, to see how they build 'em. Some of the other reviewers are so over-the-top I can't watch them.
 

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I was just wondering if there are any honest reviewers on youtube anymore? When I see reviewers act like a $75 chinese piece of crap RDA is the next best thing since Alice bread I know all honesty and integrity has been bought from that reviewer. It looks like the vaping industry is dieing slowly on the vine. It's very sad.
On you tube?
Not really. Definitely none you can take as gospel.
Whenever money us changing hands trust goes out the window.

Best thing I find is to wait and find out what other vapors have to say. I trust a few people that I've met here, who have the same or similar vape style as I do.
In most cases though, you can kind of tell by looking at tech specs how an atty will perform. As to mods, It really is more of a trust your peers situation.
 
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I watch Mike Vapes and Vaping With Vic. Mainly, as others have noted, to get close-up views of the products and, for RTAs, to see how they build 'em. Some of the other reviewers are so over-the-top I can't watch them.

Long time no see, Jim. Hope you and yours are well!
 

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On you tube?
Not really. Definitely none you can take as gospel.
Whenever money us changing hands trust goes out the window.

Best thing I find is to wait and find out what other vapors have to say. I trust a few people that I've met here, who have the same or similar vape style as I do.
In most cases though, you can mind of tell by looking at tech specs how an atty will perform. As to mods, It really is more of a trust your peers situation.

You can check out what people get in the Vape Mail thread or what they show in Hand Check. That’s worked more for me than reviewers. Although Legion did help me when I picked up vaping again over a year ago. But there’s like no reason to watch reviews now, unless you run across one for something you want to look at close up.
 

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Long time no see, Jim. Hope you and yours are well!
Hi Rhianne. Yup, we're both doing well. Hope the same for you and your's.

I've been checking-in from time-to-time. But I tend not to post unless I have something to say or ask :) The other thing is this forum consists of more than a few enablers ;), and I'm trying Real Hard, this time, not to turn vaping into a hobby.
 

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An R&D crew that actually knew what they were doing would be really helpful. An engineering degree by itself doesn't qualify somebody to design an atomizer or mod. Being a discriminating and discerning vaper is a much better qualification. Both would be even better. It seems clear to me that some of the people designing some of these products are not themselves serious and knowledgeable vapers. They're engineering and marketing people trying to design something that THEY think will sell. Some of them must be.

I could be wrong, but I bet that a good percentage of the folks designing and making business decisions regarding rebuildable atomizers don't use them themselves as a preferred regular vape.

I’d say of all the well known Review names the one that had really made his mark in my eyes and does have an eye for detail is TVC (Brian) ...set a precedent more than anyone else has, not once but a few times now he launched a few products that really changed the market... the topside being his most lucrative of course

others have had great success too but Brian stands out to me the most.
 

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You can check out what people get in the Vape Mail thread or what they show in Hand Check. That’s worked more for me than reviewers. Although Legion did help me when I picked up vaping again over a year ago. But there’s like no reason to watch reviews now, unless you run across one for something you want to look at close up.
As it should.

I don't know how many times I've watched reviewers get basically unfinished products. Then you go and look at them and it's like wait why does their product look different from mine. then it occurs to you that that was the pre-production model. Because things do change you know? Maybe the devices that were sent to reviewers to review weren't finished products but basically beta tests.

and from what I've seen before in the past some of these pre-production models are better built than the f****** market ones that they have on shelves. So that's why I invest my own money into buying the s*** from the shelves that way when it gets here I can take it apart and again show you what I think about it show you what I found wrong with it if anything give it a polish look at all of the bits and pieces and tell you whether or not it would be a smart investment.

I also don't buy things that I don't think I'm going to like. I've purchased things that I wasn't sure of what it was. like my vapor giant I thought it was a genie style atomizer. And then when I look closer at it I realized that it was basically an RDTA. And I know how much I hate RDTAs. However I was pleasantly surprised with the way that thing functions. So yeah.

Then again the things I buy aren't always for those who are conscious about costs. I like nice things. I'm also very quick to replace said nice things should they not meet my specifications. Or if something happens to like the paint or something I will go out and buy another one. I'd rather not have to go out and buy another one but I will.

I also don't play favorites. If something's messed up it doesn't matter if I spent $100 on it or $500 on it I will send it back to the manufacturer and they will rectify that problem. If they can't or they don't want to...

I used to be a fan of vaping American made products (vapeAMP), but after that fiasco with those two mods that I had purchased... I would tell anybody if you're going to buy any of their mods buy the older ones you won't be disappointed. However if you buy their most recent one you are about to be in a world of disappointment. Trust me I ripped aether tech to pieces when I bought that plume veil 1.5. that was the worst made atomizer I have ever seen in my life. Especially at the price point of $110.

I don't hold s*** back. If I don't like it or there's something wrong with it I'll let you guys know. I will say this All of my purge mods with the exception of my MMXX, came perfect. My MMXX the only problem that I had with it were the magnets one set of those magnets were broken. And you can't get the magnets right now because they're all sold out. You can probably find them somewhere but if you're going to go and buy them directly from Purge you're not going to find them.

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On you tube?
Not really. Definitely none you can take as gospel.
Whenever money us changing hands trust goes out the window.

Best thing I find is to wait and find out what other vapors have to say. I trust a few people that I've met here, who have the same or similar vape style as I do.
In most cases though, you can mind of tell by looking at tech specs how an atty will perform. As to mods, It really is more of a trust your peers situation.

definitely...spend enough time around the forum you soon land on a handful of people who share similar vaping styles you do....see this so often on VU as to who likes what, you are bound to share similarities with a few peeps when first joining.

...a lot commenting I see on here are long in tooth with Vaping now (been there done it) so reviews probably aren’t as helpful as they once were to a lot replying ...also there are so many products offering a good vape you don’t really need someone picking apart the differences anymore ...small gains are nothing to really write home about, and you get sick and tired of hearing the same thing over and over again ...this may go some way as to why a certain glamour is on some of these channels to keep it interesting ...sadly imo the golden age of Vaping passed us by already

I bet in here; most of you can just look at an atty now and determine if it’s going to perform or not, what are likely problem areas etc.
 

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As it should.

I don't know how many times I've watched reviewers get basically unfinished products. Then you go and look at them and it's like wait why does their product look different from mine. then it occurs to you that that was the pre-production model. Because things do change you know? Maybe the devices that were sent to reviewers to review weren't finished products but basically beta tests.

and from what I've seen before in the past some of these pre-production models are better built than the f****** market ones that they have on shelves. So that's why I invest my own money into buying the s*** from the shelves that way when it gets here I can take it apart and again show you what I think about it show you what I found wrong with it if anything give it a polish look at all of the bits and pieces and tell you whether or not it would be a smart investment.

I also don't buy things that I don't think I'm going to like. I've purchased things that I wasn't sure of what it was. like my vapor giant I thought it was a genie style atomizer. And then when I look closer at it I realized that it was basically an RDTA. And I know how much I hate RDTAs. However I was pleasantly surprised with the way that thing functions. So yeah.

Then again the things I buy aren't always for those who are conscious about costs. I like nice things. I'm also very quick to replace said nice things should they not meet my specifications. Or if something happens to like the paint or something I will go out and buy another one. I'd rather not have to go out and buy another one but I will.

I also don't play favorites. If something's messed up it doesn't matter if I spent $100 on it or $500 on it I will send it back to the manufacturer and they will rectify that problem. If they can't or they don't want to...

I used to be a fan of vaping American made products (vapeAMP), but after that fiasco with those two mods that I had purchased... I would tell anybody if you're going to buy any of their mods buy the older ones you won't be disappointed. However if you buy their most recent one you are about to be in a world of disappointment. Trust me I ripped aether tech to pieces when I bought that plume veil 1.5. that was the worst made atomizer I have ever seen in my life. Especially at the price point of $110.

I don't hold s*** back. If I don't like it or there's something wrong with it I'll let you guys know. I will say this All of my purge mods with the exception of my MMXX, came perfect. My MMXX the only problem that I had with it were the magnets one set of those magnets were broken. And you can't get the magnets right now because they're all sold out. You can probably find them somewhere but if you're going to go and buy them directly from Purge you're not going to find them.

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You know what, you’d be a decent reviewer! Right now, with lockdowns and bans, I’m sticking with stuff I know I like.
Okay, I’ve bought rebuidables, but not because I want to use them right away. I want to be as FDA proof (as someone called it) as I can be. Just in case.

You’ve got some really cool setups, though.
 

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Todd and Dean by the way are the guys I’ve liked all the way through ...consistent and neither do drama.... my kind of bawbags
 

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I trust Mark Todd to give an honest review....he has in the past and caught alot of shit for his honesty but he never backs down..he is always nice about it, but he says what he thinks.
 

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I don't know how many times I've watched reviewers get basically unfinished products.
I almost wrote a whole post just on that exact topic earlier.

Man I drop back in this thread and there's like 10 things being talked about that I want to respond to.
I'm an engineer,
Just making sure you know that I was not disparaging engineers. We need them.
I’d say of all the well known Review names the one that had really made his mark in my eyes and does have an eye for detail is TVC (Brian)
I was actually referring to manufacturers there. :)
Whenever money us changing hands trust goes out the window.
Absolutely this. When enough money is involved it changes everything.
I bet in here; most of you can just look at an atty now and determine if it’s going to perform or not, what are likely problem areas etc.
I feel almost guilty sometimes when watching a reviewer who has been in this game WAAAAY longer than I have, but I just cannot go along with what they're saying.

When I first started a couple years ago reviews were super helpful because I knew literally nothing. In that sense, youtube reviews in general helped me get a foundation in vocabulary and an overall feel for what equipment did what.

I hate to sound like a cocky know it all, but somewhere along the way I came to realize that some of these guys don't know nearly what I once thought they did. I know how this may sound, but I think some of them gained credibility just by being in the public eye long enough. Notoriety = expertise in the minds of the average non tech person. It's human nature.

Sometimes it's obvious that some of them are woefully unfamiliar with the equipment they're reviewing. They'll be fumbling through the menus on a regulated mod for instance and I'm thinking to myself: "Dude. I've had this device for an hour and I know how it works better than you do."

It's also become obvious that some of them, who do have genuine expertise, clearly must know better than what they're saying sometimes too. But... the money thing.

All that said, I love vape reviews and watch em all the time :D
 

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I'm just a minor player in this game. I only do written reviews on stuff I've won or things Voopoo sends me. I took a month to review a Geekvape Zeus subohm tank and I guess I took too long because I never heard back from them.
I take my time and test the product as much as I can. Then I write up everything I know or have learned about the product. Might not be as exciting as some of the yt reviewers but its honest. I won't lie in a review and I won't watch a reviewer who lies just to make the product look better. I'm just having fun. Not trying to become famous or rich.
 

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i used to do reviews but for mine it was mainly for a brief bit of fun rather than trying to cater to the youtube mases. then when youtube changed there policies in favor of the larger faker reviewers i stopped. pulled them from public view
 

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I'm just a minor player in this game. I only do written reviews on stuff I've won or things Voopoo sends me. I took a month to review a Geekvape Zeus subohm tank and I guess I took too long because I never heard back from them.
I take my time and test the product as much as I can. Then I write up everything I know or have learned about the product. Might not be as exciting as some of the yt reviewers but its honest. I won't lie in a review and I won't watch a reviewer who lies just to make the product look better. I'm just having fun. Not trying to become famous or rich.
I've done a few as well; but like you, just for fun.
I would try and write a bit on what type of vapor would probably like the item. Also like youz I've since stopped, probably because I would use the item for 3 weeks to a month before I wrote anything. That said, it's still hard to say any reviewer is going to be 100 percent objective. There were definitely some products I liked more than others, and I'm sure it showed.
I'm sure the reviewers who's primary source of income is through the YouTube's, or hocking their name on products, are about as objective as a party-line politician.
Not that they are bad people, I'm sure they are swell,folks. When the rent is due and you have to feed your family, you have to make sure your clients are happy.
 

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I almost wrote a whole post just on that exact topic earlier.

Man I drop back in this thread and there's like 10 things being talked about that I want to respond to.

Just making sure you know that I was not disparaging engineers. We need them.

I was actually referring to manufacturers there. :)

Absolutely this. When enough money is involved it changes everything.

I feel almost guilty sometimes when watching a reviewer who has been in this game WAAAAY longer than I have, but I just cannot go along with what they're saying.

When I first started a couple years ago reviews were super helpful because I knew literally nothing. In that sense, youtube reviews in general helped me get a foundation in vocabulary and an overall feel for what equipment did what.

I hate to sound like a cocky know it all, but somewhere along the way I came to realize that some of these guys don't know nearly what I once thought they did. I know how this may sound, but I think some of them gained credibility just by being in the public eye long enough. Notoriety = expertise in the minds of the average non tech person. It's human nature.

Sometimes it's obvious that some of them are woefully unfamiliar with the equipment they're reviewing. They'll be fumbling through the menus on a regulated mod for instance and I'm thinking to myself: "Dude. I've had this device for an hour and I know how it works better than you do."

It's also become obvious that some of them, who do have genuine expertise, clearly must know better than what they're saying sometimes too. But... the money thing.

All that said, I love vape reviews and watch em all the time :D
Yeah I know. I'm not worried about what people think or say about my career choice either. I take pride in my decision to learn and make things that seem impossible... Possible.

I also like the fact that my brain doesn't stop trying to find ways of improving things. Or how my eyes can spot the most minor flaws. Or how my hands can do the work while the brain processes the the things that my eyes see.

It's all good though. Without engineers, nobody would be able to complain about the dumbest shit we think of.



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You know what, you’d be a decent reviewer! Right now, with lockdowns and bans, I’m sticking with stuff I know I like.
Okay, I’ve bought rebuidables, but not because I want to use them right away. I want to be as FDA proof (as someone called it) as I can be. Just in case.

You’ve got some really cool setups, though.
I try to collect as much stuff as I possibly can.

My biggest flaw I think is that I would be too finicky about things when it comes down to it. Like, I'd be able to unbox it, power it on, venture through the menus, etc. But what I'd want people to see is the overall mod / atty. I mean, it's your money you're spending on these products... Would you buy a used roll of toilet paper for full price? Or buy a half empty coke for full price? Then why buy something that you'd want to use if it's fucked up?

With most things being regulated now, 80W is 80W is 80W. Dual battery mods are dual battery mods are dual battery mods. How the wattage, voltage, and amperage is delivered is up to the chip in the device.

My biggest concern would be with the overall build quality of the devices in question. That and cleanliness. And although we should all clean our shit before using it... I find it very disturbing and annoying to see shops that sell open boxed products. I also find it infuriating to get a product in the mail that looks as it if we're used as a vacuum cleaner attachment.

As a manufacturer, of you want to get beat with your own product, please, send me a dirty, scuffed or scratched, damaged, dented, or defective product. I will absolutely tear you a new asshole for that bullshit.

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I almost wrote a whole post just on that exact topic earlier.

Man I drop back in this thread and there's like 10 things being talked about that I want to respond to.

Just making sure you know that I was not disparaging engineers. We need them.

I was actually referring to manufacturers there. :)

Absolutely this. When enough money is involved it changes everything.

I feel almost guilty sometimes when watching a reviewer who has been in this game WAAAAY longer than I have, but I just cannot go along with what they're saying.

When I first started a couple years ago reviews were super helpful because I knew literally nothing. In that sense, youtube reviews in general helped me get a foundation in vocabulary and an overall feel for what equipment did what.

I hate to sound like a cocky know it all, but somewhere along the way I came to realize that some of these guys don't know nearly what I once thought they did. I know how this may sound, but I think some of them gained credibility just by being in the public eye long enough. Notoriety = expertise in the minds of the average non tech person. It's human nature.

Sometimes it's obvious that some of them are woefully unfamiliar with the equipment they're reviewing. They'll be fumbling through the menus on a regulated mod for instance and I'm thinking to myself: "Dude. I've had this device for an hour and I know how it works better than you do."

It's also become obvious that some of them, who do have genuine expertise, clearly must know better than what they're saying sometimes too. But... the money thing.

All that said, I love vape reviews and watch em all the time :D

Yep, reviewers who pull out a sealed box and start pulling off the plastic...like please give me a break!! You’re going to review something you’ve had for 3 seconds?? :giggle:

When I decided to vape again over a year ago, I was watching YT reviews. And after a month or so, I realized most of these people really didn’t know more than me. Okay, I’d vaped for a while 6 years ago. But things had changed a lot. Still, I started thinking more critically about how and what I liked to vape.

The only guy I can watch about vaping now is Legion Vapes. Steve is a cool guy and he’s not making all kinds of money reviewing stuff. And he actually uses the gear he reviews. But I really don’t need reviewers now. I can check out threads here and see what people are rocking. And ask them, if I need to.
 

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i used to do reviews but for mine it was mainly for a brief bit of fun rather than trying to cater to the youtube mases. then when youtube changed there policies in favor of the larger faker reviewers i stopped. pulled them from public view
I have a friend that did the same thing.
 

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I'm just a minor player in this game. I only do written reviews on stuff I've won or things Voopoo sends me. I took a month to review a Geekvape Zeus subohm tank and I guess I took too long because I never heard back from them.
I take my time and test the product as much as I can. Then I write up everything I know or have learned about the product. Might not be as exciting as some of the yt reviewers but its honest. I won't lie in a review and I won't watch a reviewer who lies just to make the product look better. I'm just having fun. Not trying to become famous or rich.
Yeah similar here. I do some for Health Cabin. Did a number of them, reviews, elsewhere but left and wont return there. I didn't belt them out and knocked back more than I did as I had no interest in going over something that seemed to offer little or doing them for a company that to me had questionable ethical standards. These days with covid, things getting here are super slow so I will be lucky to do a few a year.
It used to bug me though when I would get something that I would use that clearly was below standard and see others saying how it was the most awesome thing they had used and was now their go to take everywhere cant put it down device. Even though numerous others found it clearly sub standard as well.
 

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Yep, reviewers who pull out a sealed box and start pulling off the plastic...like please give me a break!! You’re going to review something you’ve had for 3 seconds?? :giggle:

When I decided to vape again over a year ago, I was watching YT reviews. And after a month or so, I realized most of these people really didn’t know more than me. Okay, I’d vaped for a while 6 years ago. But things had changed a lot. Still, I started thinking more critically about how and what I liked to vape.

The only guy I can watch about vaping now is Legion Vapes. Steve is a cool guy and he’s not making all kinds of money reviewing stuff. And he actually uses the gear he reviews. But I really don’t need reviewers now. I can check out threads here and see what people are rocking. And ask them, if I need to.
those are reviewers who a most like got several of the device for free so they have one to open and use for a month and one pretty one for the camera but for me i trust the older style disclaimer and comments but these days i watch for close ups and thats it.
 

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Building and wicking tips too for my RTAs and RDAs.
Daniel's usually pretty good for that. I've found his way to be at least close to the way I wind up doing it most of the time. He has a pretty good head for wicking and gives little measurement tips for length that are usually helpful too. In the beginning he helped me ALOT. He's one of the guys who does have real tech skills and significant vaping knowledge. He doesn't directly address computer stuff most of the time, but I can tell by the way he talks, reading between the lines, that he has serious computer skills too.

Mike Vapes on the other hand cuts his wicks crooked and unevenly like 80% of the time lol! Drives me nuts. Pull that short side over a little and trim that cockeyed cut..

I don't know what's up with Jai. His cotton looks like he's had it in his pocket for a couple days with his change and he just pulled it out to put it in the coils.
 
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