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Samsung says that sales of it's batteries for vaping is illegal.
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LG and Samsung... Murata/Sony next?
Sony has long said their batteries are not intended for vaping.
Sony has long said their batteries are not intended for vaping.
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They really must be ill...
But to be honest, i really don't see this can give me any problems as a vaper.
It will/can be a problem for all the vape shops.
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But to be honest, i really don't see this can give me any problems as a vaper.
It will/can be a problem for all the vape shops.
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Umm LG is cutting off battery suppliers Like Liion wholesale for the same reason. Not just vape shops will be effected. they are hitting all single battery uses...
Vape shops will very likely pretty much be gone after May anyway. So kind of a moot point there.
also most all online US vape suppliers will be gone as well after May. And with the battery makers also pulling their single cells from battery retailers where will that leave us?
And do not count on the man behind the curtain to save us.
Some/many just do not think this will happen. It is scheduled to happen and so far nothing I have seen will change that.
Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
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You’re in Norway? You may not be affected.
Yup, yup, and yup
You mentioned Mooch talking about using internal battery mods, and I just bought another one. You think this may be helpful?
Internal battery mods are fine as long as the internal battery lasts. When it dies they are trash.
I still think that replaceable battery mods are the best option for continuing to vape long after PMTA enforcement kicks in.
Some single cells will still be available and salvage cells from battery packs is an option as well. You just have to vape within their ratings, usually lower wattages <20 W.
Internal battery mods are safer to vape with as they are designed with safeguards around the internal battery's capabilities.
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A letter sent to Greg Conley President of the AVA( American Vaping Association) from Samsung's attorneys-
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Greg Conley's response
You can read the letter sent to him from Samsungs attorneys better thru this link.
Greg Conley's response
You can read the letter sent to him from Samsungs attorneys better thru this link.
It’s depressing enough that size, Snap!
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Denmark, not Norway, but same, same 4 u folks
, and never say never, we have a bad habit being behind US with some of the shitty things to.But still i import batteries from China as i did the last 8 years and think i can continue this routine no matter what.
Like i import and sell all tank over the silly 2ml, even it's not legal in Denmark.
We call it civil disobedience in DK!
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Is it actually illegal to import over 2 ml tanks? Or just illegal to sell them there?Denmark, not Norway, but same, same 4 u folks, and never say never, we have a bad habit being behind US with some of the shitty things to.
But still i import batteries from China as i did the last 8 years and think i can continue this routine no matter what.
Like i import and sell all tank over the silly 2ml, even it's not legal in Denmark.
We call it civil disobedience in DK!
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Unless distributors and wholesalers have to sign some agreement stating they cannot sell to vape shops, etc. Is there any real recourse for Samsung?
Their disclaimer should cover them in the event of a lawsuit bc the cell was outside of its intended purposes.
They may actually cut off their nose to spite their face, but this reeks of posturing to add more evidence that they tried to keep people from using their cells for vaping; ie, covering their asses.
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Their disclaimer should cover them in the event of a lawsuit bc the cell was outside of its intended purposes.
They may actually cut off their nose to spite their face, but this reeks of posturing to add more evidence that they tried to keep people from using their cells for vaping; ie, covering their asses.
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Denmark, not Norway, but same, same 4 u folks
But still i import batteries from China as i did the last 8 years and think i can continue this routine no matter what.
Like i import and sell all tank over the silly 2ml, even it's not legal in Denmark.
We call it civil disobedience in DK!
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I’m sorry, I knew it was somewhere Scandinavian.
And if you mix up one of our states, it’s okay. 
Sigh, Denmark is TPD.
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For me both things are illegal because i have a little shop
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But not for individuals?For me both things are illegal because i have a little shop
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yeah, but its possible, 50/50 chance right now, that nearly all of those cell using devices end up in the dumpster.
For me both things are illegal because i have a little shop
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So if I go on holiday to Denmark, then I can buy gear at your store!!
So no more portable battery operated fans?
the manufacturers are going after a cell ban because of a few dumbass vapers. if they succeed, all other cell devices/users will be thrown under the bus also. though, what may happen, is the manufactures make very low amp cells. most vapers can't use low amp cells, but many/most of those other devices can and do.
Consider cordless power tools. Pretty much anything you can buy at Home Depot and the like. They all need both max amp output and decent mAh just like we do. This batt technology is not going away anytime soon.
No one is saying that the battery tech is going away just that it is likely going to get much harder for vapers to get them.
My biggest fear. You think they care if a few fans and flashlights become obsolete? I don't. I think they may all be produced in packs, making single cells almost impossible to find. Just my 2cents
18650's. i can't see enough markings to tell what they are. but yeah, i bet they are high amp.
But I’ve seen batteries at Liion that are like 9 amp. Lower than that?
My biggest fear. You think they care if a few fans and flashlights become obsolete? I don't. I think they may all be produced in packs, making single cells almost impossible to find. Just my 2cents
Can we dismantle the packs?
I said a year ago that all the nanny state bureaucrats have to do is ban the sale of individual cells to permanently cripple vaping as we've known it. Even IF the good folks at Molicell, or some other competent upstart were to seize the entrepreneurial moment and find a way to get us good "cells for vapers" in the vacuum left by the retreating OEMs, a simple ban would kill that too.
Harvested batteries will not replace our known good cells at decent prices. I have several laptop packs I've taken apart and who knows what these things are in here? I haven't found a pair yet that will even let a regulated mod start fully charged.
If somebody comes across a certain pack with great cells, there's no guarantee that they will be the ones in there the next time you buy one of those packs. Besides, if they make possessing unpacked round cell lithium ion batteries a crime, that point is moot too.
Like I say, I said starting a year ago somewhere here that BATTERIES will be the real war.
If they want to stop legal vaping, they ARE going to do it. That's not negative nay-saying. That's the reality of where we are, indeed have been for decades in this country. Let them "take care of you," and boy will they ever.
Harvested batteries will not replace our known good cells at decent prices. I have several laptop packs I've taken apart and who knows what these things are in here? I haven't found a pair yet that will even let a regulated mod start fully charged.
If somebody comes across a certain pack with great cells, there's no guarantee that they will be the ones in there the next time you buy one of those packs. Besides, if they make possessing unpacked round cell lithium ion batteries a crime, that point is moot too.
Like I say, I said starting a year ago somewhere here that BATTERIES will be the real war.
If they want to stop legal vaping, they ARE going to do it. That's not negative nay-saying. That's the reality of where we are, indeed have been for decades in this country. Let them "take care of you," and boy will they ever.
Yep that was how many got their first 20700's.
They can't do that because they will lose too much. Not selling to Vapers they get kick backs from BT and BP. No fan or flashlight manufacturer is going to pay them and someone will make batteries. Just because they are getting paid to fuck us, when Vaping is an ACCEPTED SMOKING CESSATION device all of a sudden they will come out with the sickest fucking cells you ever wanted.
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I can almost see why Mooch mentioned using internal battery mods. Not that I’m saying those are great, but it seems less problematic.
So lets say they nail the coffin down and vapers don't get batteries.
How would this affect IMR/Illumn etc... A lot of vapers buy from them... but they are far from a vape shop...
I don't see an issue, unless they just stop selling them to Illumn etc period due to association on videos posted by the "Vape YT'rs"
You know the ones that list Authorized retailers of authentic batteries for vapers... or on forums which are data mined and the thousands of threads of where to get trusted batteries from.
Either case... I'll buy more Samsung batteries (30Ts) til I can't... a small stock pile of 100 should suffice for 10 years... already own 30... 70 more...plus if I am still vaping in 10 years... then I suck at life
How would this affect IMR/Illumn etc... A lot of vapers buy from them... but they are far from a vape shop...
I don't see an issue, unless they just stop selling them to Illumn etc period due to association on videos posted by the "Vape YT'rs"
You know the ones that list Authorized retailers of authentic batteries for vapers... or on forums which are data mined and the thousands of threads of where to get trusted batteries from.
Either case... I'll buy more Samsung batteries (30Ts) til I can't... a small stock pile of 100 should suffice for 10 years... already own 30... 70 more...plus if I am still vaping in 10 years... then I suck at life
Unless you can't buy any more when yours quit?
per Jon at Liion Wholesale they will not be getting any more LG cells after they sell off their existing stock.
Illumn seems to be clearancing their HG2's out as well.
and if you watched the LG video they are not just attacking vaping but all single cell use of their batteries.
they are not intended to be used as single cells, or even charged individually per their video.
see this thread.
http://www.vapingunderground.com/threads/lg-hg2-18650-clearance-at-liion-wholesale.521930/
Gotcha... unfortunate...
Still going to buy 10 years worth
Sucks for future vapers for sure...
yeah I bought 22 HG2's. gonna leave em in the storage charge level until I need em.Gotcha... unfortunate...
Still going to buy 10 years worth
Sucks for future vapers for sure...
Not sure they will last 10 years though.
OK, I've seen people say they store them in fridges, freezers, half charged, full charged... WHAT is the safest method for long term storage, and how many answers will I receive?
As I recall store at room temp around 70 deg or so with about a 3.5V charge.
If stored long term check the voltage every 6 mos or so to make sure it has not dropped below 2.5V. And if needed bring back up to around 3.5V.
Heat is a big enemy of the cells and they do not like below freezing much either I think.
I may not be exactly spot on but those recommendations should work well.
Mine all came with a 3.55 +- .02 volt charge in them.
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Yep, most cheap in whole Denmark and u can get some cheap pure or 100% or what u want of nicotine toSo if I go on holiday to Denmark, then I can buy gear at your store!!
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There will always be a solution.
If there's a market, there will be some sellers... of what ever.
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If there's a market, there will be some sellers... of what ever.
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Why not create a mod with a click on battery pack ...similar to a drill (obviously 1 or 2 cells) but it’d be circuit board protected inside the pack...and doesn’t need to be sealed, batteries married the whole way through and less risky than lipo is
all they do inside drill packs
all they do inside drill packs
What do you mean, make very low amp cells? All of the cell manufacturers have already been doing that since forever. They don't give a flying fuck about vapers except Molicel. Big manufacturers of the cells we use like Sony/Murata, Samsung, LG aren't interested in us because we are only a very tiny insignificant fraction of the market. A speck of dust behind the TV is who we are as a community, and the TV in question is manufactured by them as well. Their big customers who buy millions of their cells are in the tech industry. Appliances, power tools, that kind of thing. It just doesn't hurt them enough financially if all of us decided to stop buying their cells so they simply don't care as they don't have to. The difference comes from the lawsuits. They don't want to pay a hefty compensation due to being liable if someone gets hurt by using loose cells, as has already been explained ad nauseam.
But whatever happens they won't stop making high amp cells just because people continue to use loose cells. I mean, what difference would it make? If they continue to make very low amp cells, people will still continue to use loose very low amp cells, and will still continue to get themselves hurt. High amp cells are a much smaller fraction of the cell market compared to high capacity ones, but this does not in any way imply they're willing to sacrifice that smaller fraction of the market when they don't have to... which is still a hell of a lot bigger fraction than the fraction of the market that is represented by vaping. The vast majority of vaping tech doesn't even use loose round cells anyway in the first place.
Not "much harder for vapers". Much harder for SOME vapers.
Some of us can. But if done the wrong way, it poses serious risks, and, the biggest problem with that is people selling them after they did, thereby transferring these potential risks onto those who buy these cells from them... so whatever you do, don't buy cells sourced from dismantled battery packs. Ever.