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Synphul

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I've made it around 4yrs vaping without a single lg battery. Pretty sure I'll survive. lol. Also went with a motorola phone, got rid of my shitty lg's that sound like 2 cans and a string.
 

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Never used the LG batteries or the phones, But i do know their TV's suck ass.
I have had two and the circuit boards on both shit the bed within two years.
 

Master Rahl

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I've been using Samsung batteries since I started vaping just ordered some sony vtc6s just to change it up and try something different. I will not be purchasing LG batteries.
 

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I've been using Samsung batteries since I started vaping just ordered some sony vtc6s just to change it up and try something different. I will not be purchasing LG batteries.
Samsung and Sony is all i purchase also.
I still have some IJoy batts that came with my Captain PD270's a while back.
5 leg batts and they still work good about 2 years running
 

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I have one LG battery in rotation but I didn't buy it. Have mostly Samsungs, with a little of this and that scattered in.
 

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None of the major good li cell makers promote their batteries for vape use.
Never have.
I think Panasonic may promote some individual cell use in flashlights and such but not Sony, LG, Samsung...
 

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None of the major good li cell makers promote their batteries for vape use.
Never have.
I think Panasonic may promote some individual cell use in flashlights and such but not Sony, LG, Samsung...
True but LG goes out of their way to be a dick about it. lol. Maybe less concern over how people will use their products and a little more concern in the shit products they seem to be producing in abundance.
 

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Lg sent out cease and desist letters to vape shops last year or so. now that they have ended up in my newsfeed I am happy not to purchase LG products...It is their business they if they dont want mine I am happy with that.

It seems like another way to control or interfere with vaping. We need batteries, after all. I bought some LG’s but I also have Sony. Sanyo, and a couple Hohm ones. I never went out of my way to buy LG’s like I did with the other ones.

I agree, this is a way to cover their asses.
 

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Yep and it's the smart thing to do on their part.

Really nothing to see here, old news that these companies don't want their batteries suggested for use in vape hardware.

With the FDA warnings, it seems like nothing is meant to be used with vaping.

So, I guess we’re all supposed to start smoking again!

How’s it going, Boss? Cold and snowy?
 

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Yea the major battery makers have had this stance for awhile now. Keeps them safe from lawsuits.
There is one exception, E-One Moli Energy Corp. (Moli), and, although they're not among the "Big 4" (Sony/Murata, Samsung, LG, Panasonic/Sanyo) they are a major cell manufacturer in the particular sense that, same as the Big 4, the cells they make are using the same reliable safety and quality standards throughout their entire manufacturing process, and, they feel confident enough about their being so reliable that they do in fact market their cells towards vapers, i.e. they have a distrubution company that specifically targets (among others) the vaping market, N-Power Energy Limited (NPE).

The MoliCel cells that Moli makes include some of the best performing ones available to us right now, and these cells also are widely available to us so I guess that also counts as "major". It does for me.
 

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If I'm not supposed to handle bare cells, does that mean I cannot rub my hand over my face? Does it mean I cannot use DD cell flashlights, AA cell ones? I think while it might be "smart" for manufactures to suggest this way to consumers, it is also rather stupid on its face.

Are the battery manufactures then going to quit advertising directly to consumers on television? I bet they don't because consumers drive their profit.

How else do they expect consumers to use and consume their "bare cells" if they don't put them into devices for use? Ah, guess we need to pay product makers to train professional bare cell installers, bare cell technicians. Consumers get store personal certified to deal with bare cells to put batteries in. Do I see that happening? No. It would eat up profits.

This is the same reason consumers are directly advertised to by big pharmaceutical companies. It is also why big drug companies will not stop advertising directly to consumers and instead advertise to doctors only. The bottom line is keeping in the black, ... profits.

Also, if a company doesn't want my business that's fine. I'm sure other companies exist that do. After all greed seems to indicate most everyone wants a profit, hark my prophetic words.
 

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If I'm not supposed to handle bare cells, does that mean I cannot rub my hand over my face? Does it mean I cannot use DD cell flashlights, AA cell ones? I think while it might be "smart" for manufactures to suggest this way to consumers, it is also rather stupid on its face.

Are the battery manufactures then going to quit advertising directly to consumers on television? I bet they don't because consumers drive their profit.

How else do they expect consumers to use and consume their "bare cells" if they don't put them into devices for use? Ah, guess we need to pay product makers to train professional bare cell installers, bare cell technicians. Consumers get store personal certified to deal with bare cells to put batteries in. Do I see that happening? No. It would eat up profits.

This is the same reason consumers are directly advertised to by big pharmaceutical companies. It is also why big drug companies will not stop advertising directly to consumers and instead advertise to doctors only. The bottom line is keeping in the black, ... profits.

Also, if a company doesn't want my business that's fine. I'm sure other companies exist that do. After all greed seems to indicate most everyone wants a profit, hark my prophetic words.
These types of bare cells are not designed to be used outside a fully protected battery pack with a protection circuit. So it is only normal the fact the manufacturers of these cells don't want to be liable for any damages that might occur as a result from consumers mishandling/misusing their bare cells... similarly, LG want to sell a TV, but they don't want to pay for your broken foot after you put your TV up on your wall yourself because, instead, they tell consumers that Life's Good if consumers buy more LG TVs to be able to watch videos of your broken foot on YouTube. Sony, Samsung, and Panasonic are thinking exactly the same. They also think Life's Good. They just don't very often say that out loud... :D
 

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I do not think I was clear about the point I was trying to make. A large corporation has said I should not buy their product, I fully understand that they would like to avoid liability and lawsuits. We are, of course a litigious society. If the vape industry survives, expect some time in the not so distant future, vape products will be required to be internal battery only and LG will be happy to make non removable batteries for that.
The point I was trying to make as a consumer when a notice is targeted to me that a company does not want my business, as a consumer I choose not to purchase anything that that company sells. Whether it be batteries, TVs , Kitchen appliances etc. The only way to stand up to large conpanies is to not support them at any level. My personal boycott will do nothing, and in the me me generation it probably will not mean shit to a tree.
 

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in the me me generation it probably will not mean shit to a tree.

If anything represents the "me me generation" it's your post about this. You're offended by their stance and you have to get on social media and make a fuss about it. Grow up.
 

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If anything represents the "me me generation" it's your post about this. You're offended by their stance and you have to get on social media and make a fuss about it. Grow up.
That is the way I see it.... too late for me to grow up kiddo.
 

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I do not think I was clear about the point I was trying to make. A large corporation has said I should not buy their product, I fully understand that they would like to avoid liability and lawsuits. We are, of course a litigious society. If the vape industry survives, expect some time in the not so distant future, vape products will be required to be internal battery only and LG will be happy to make non removable batteries for that.
The point I was trying to make as a consumer when a notice is targeted to me that a company does not want my business, as a consumer I choose not to purchase anything that that company sells. Whether it be batteries, TVs , Kitchen appliances etc. The only way to stand up to large conpanies is to not support them at any level. My personal boycott will do nothing, and in the me me generation it probably will not mean shit to a tree.
If you really want to boycott them because of this, then I suppose you could. At least you wouln't have to sacrifice your own vaping needs for that, as I already previously explained about Molicel batteries, albeit in the end you'd still achieve exactly bupkis with this boycott... and nobody would give a shit.

It's how the world works. It actually surprises me the fact potato knife manufacturers aren't legally forced to put up a warning sign stating they're sharp... that way you would be in a position to go all sandy vagina on sand-filled potato warts, and we might have a few good laughs about that stuff so, it knocks me unconscious why on the sand-like earth can't you just take a deep breath, vape a couple times, and relax?
 

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If you really want to boycott them because of this, then I suppose you could. At least you wouln't have to sacrifice your own vaping needs for that, as I already previously explained about Molicel batteries, albeit in the end you'd still achieve exactly bupkis with this boycott... and nobody would give a shit.

It's how the world works. It actually surprises me the fact potato knife manufacturers aren't legally forced to put up a warning sign stating they're sharp... that way you would be in a position to go all sandy vagina on sand-filled potato warts, and we might have a few good laughs about that stuff so, it knocks me unconscious why on the sand-like earth can't you just take a deep breath, vape a couple times, and relax?
Do not know why anyone is upset about my comment, because I wont buy LG is no reason for people to be scratching their silica filled pussies. I am not asking anyone or telling anyone to do anything.
 

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Do not know why anyone is upset about my comment, because I wont buy LG is no reason for people to be scratching their silica filled pussies. I am not asking anyone or telling anyone to do anything.
What makes you think I am upset about your comment? To the contrary I feel very joyful for my having had the nice privilege to be so eloquently entertained by it, I was watching depressing TV news debates about Brejoin and about murdering autists by poison so thanks a million for cheering me up like this... now I definitely want to read more from you.
 

eSMOKA

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If they really wanted to stop consumer usage, they could tighten their distribution chain. But they don't because they really don't care. It's just about liability...CYA.

What does bother me a bit is that the imagery used was only geared toward one consumer use of the batteries (vaping) and not any other consumers, like flashlight users (I'm sure there are many others. I think drone/quadcopter enthusiasts use them too). Yet the underlying message is pertinent to all consumer users.

So I think it goes show that they are just jumping on the "demonize vape bandwagon" and conducting a CYA campaign more than they are actually concerned about safety.

Boycott LG? Go for it. I'm in. It's easy for me. I never used them anyhow. :D

I never vape at more than 2.7 amps maximum. My mix includes some Efests, some Sammies, some Trustfires and some Ultrafires. Never had a problem with any of them as a low amperage vaper.
 

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If they really wanted to stop consumer usage, they could tighten their distribution chain. But they don't because they really don't care. It's just about liability...CYA.

What does bother me a bit is that the imagery used was only geared toward one consumer use of the batteries (vaping) and not any other consumers, like flashlight users (I'm sure there are many others. I think drone/quadcopter enthusiasts use them too). Yet the underlying message is pertinent to all consumer users.

So I think it goes show that they are just jumping on the "demonize vape bandwagon" and conducting a CYA campaign more than they are actually concerned about safety.

Boycott LG? Go for it. I'm in. It's easy for me. I never used them anyhow. :D

I never vape at more than 2.7 amps maximum. My mix includes some Efests, some Sammies, some Trustfires and some Ultrafires. Never had a problem with any of them as a low amperage vaper.
You would be fine using cells salvaged form laptop battery packs if worst came to worst. Most of them are rated at about 4-5 amps CDR.

I have a bunch of HG2 and find them to be good batteries.
I retired them from vaping use after over 3 years though. Still use them in flashlights and power banks though.

As I said the major manufacturers never intended their high current cells for use outside protected power packs and do NOT sell to distributors if they know they will be sold to vapers. Most of the cells we get are left overs from cordless device manufacturers and sold on the surplus market.
 

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I will NOT boycott LG for trying to protect themselves from people suing them for abusing their cells and hurting themselves.
I believe that people who do stupid stuff are solely responsible for the results of their actions.
AKA Personal Responsibility.

I also could get by with laptop cells if I had to with my subtank minis..
 

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Ohh and the problem as show in video of devices aka mods damaging battery wraps is a problem on the backs of the mod makers not the cell makers.
Since they did not design their cells for individual use.
We should boycott any mod maker whose mod damages wraps?
And there are quite a few out there that do have a habit of damaging wraps.

And the cells were certainly not designed for using one end of the battery as a switch contact.
As most tube mechs tend to do.

WE as vapers do mishandle and abuse these cells and it is OUR problem if our abuse results in harm to us.

Now if these batteries were marketed by the manufacturer as for use in vape equipment it would be a different story.
 

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And the cells were certainly not designed for using one end of the battery as a switch contact.
As most tube mechs tend to do.

Can you elaborate why it's not a good idea to use the negative end as a switch contact? I've never heard anyone mention this to be a bad thing before.

Admittedly, I'm not a huge user of mechs, only casual. But all of them are older tube mechs so this interests me.
 

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Its about time for them to put these cells in a protective case and market and sell to vapers, flashlight enthusiasts, RC folks, etc. The world would be a better place and our batteries would be safer. It’s a win-win.
 

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Can you elaborate why it's not a good idea to use the negative end as a switch contact? I've never heard anyone mention this to be a bad thing before.

Admittedly, I'm not a huge user of mechs, only casual. But all of them are older tube mechs so this interests me.
The cell casing is very thin and could be arced thru, which would likely cause bad things to happen. Or the heat from the arcing or poor contact could cause damage inside the cell causing bad things.
usually not though.
If the bottom was intended to be used as a switch contact it would have a thicker end on it.
 

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Its about time for them to put these cells in a protective case and market and sell to vapers, flashlight enthusiasts, RC folks, etc. The world would be a better place and our batteries would be safer. It’s a win-win.

Ohh I agree.
Especially do away with the positive and negative so close together on the top.
I personally think they should have a one time fuse in them. If you draw over CDR you have trashed your battery
 

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A simple use at your own risk should cover that
Every battery purchaser would sign a legal waiver at time of purchase?
Only way to really protect the manufacturer from liability with our silly nothing is my fault sue happy humans
 

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Its about time for them to put these cells in a protective case and market and sell to vapers, flashlight enthusiasts, RC folks, etc. The world would be a better place and our batteries would be safer. It’s a win-win.

they do that with protected cells. they are designed for user handling and protected from over current abuse and such.
Unfortunately for vapers they are not 20-30 amp cells. And are usually longer and will not fit.
I think button tops are also intended for single cell use.

As Mooch always says there is nothing totally safe about vaping with LI cells.
 

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In the end, all this is about is words. I don’t care enough about it to change the way shop. I find the best product I can get for the amount of money I’m willing to spend. If that happens to be an LG product then so be it.
 

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In the end, all this is about is words. I don’t care enough about it to change the way shop. I find the best product I can get for the amount of money I’m willing to spend. If that happens to be an LG product then so be it.
Same here I will not cut off my nose to spite their face.
they make darned good cells and properly handled and used are as safe as any of them.
 

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Its about time for them to put these cells in a protective case and market and sell to vapers, flashlight enthusiasts, RC folks, etc. The world would be a better place and our batteries would be safer. It’s a win-win.

I have to disagree.

All the consumer batts I have used have a much thicker wrap than these OEM batts because they are marketed and sold to consumers for consumer use.

But LG, Sony, Samsung, etc, are not obligated nor should they be forced to put thicker wraps on their batts because they don't intend them for anything else but to be used inside "sealed'" power units where they are never touched once placed.

If a rebrander wants to buy their batts to rewap, then they can either deny the sale or they can make them sign a release of all liability as well as legally hold them to not market them in any way which mentions or capitalizes on the manufacturer's name brand.

If they wanted to get into the consumer market, they would have done so by now. It's just not their focus or market.

But because vape and other marketers are capitalizing on their brand and trying to make them out to be consumer products, they are now forced to try to distance themselves from it, which includes PSAs and legal action.
 

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Li cells are not the safest things inside consumer products and we have problems in spite of all the precautions. Cell phones and laptops on fire, etc.

A lot of energy in those cells and if released too fast bad things happen.
 

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I have a couple pairs of HG2s which are good batteries. I could live without them though. LG doesn't need our money and has nothing to gain by suporting us. They are doing fine if no vaper ever bought another one of their cells.

Molicell on the other hand is a relative upstart. They also make excellent batteries, but do not have the commercial saturation that the big long standing OEMs do. Our money probably makes a difference to them.
 

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I have some LG H2's and they have been very good. Over 2 yrs old and no issues at all.
I agree with the comments about the wraps. These batteries we use are made to be fitted and left, often soldered into place. Not handled hundreds of times like we do.
 

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There is one exception, E-One Moli Energy Corp. (Moli), and, although they're not among the "Big 4" (Sony/Murata, Samsung, LG, Panasonic/Sanyo) they are a major cell manufacturer in the particular sense that, same as the Big 4, the cells they make are using the same reliable safety and quality standards throughout their entire manufacturing process, and, they feel confident enough about their being so reliable that they do in fact market their cells towards vapers, i.e. they have a distrubution company that specifically targets (among others) the vaping market, N-Power Energy Limited (NPE).

The MoliCel cells that Moli makes include some of the best performing ones available to us right now, and these cells also are widely available to us so I guess that also counts as "major". It does for me.

I’d forgotten about them. I always meant to try them, too. Hope you’re having a good weekend, C.
 

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I boycott Nestle. Like that's going to make a difference. I dont like their principles though and refuse to spend my money on their products.

What did Nestle do? I don’t knowingly use their products, since I don’t use their cocoa or eat mass produced chocolate.

That sounds snotty, but it’s not meant to be!
 

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What makes you think I am upset about your comment? To the contrary I feel very joyful for my having had the nice privilege to be so eloquently entertained by it, I was watching depressing TV news debates about Brejoin and about murdering autists by poison so thanks a million for cheering me up like this... now I definitely want to read more from you.

Give him a break, he’s been going through a rough patch.
 

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What did Nestle do? I don’t knowingly use their products, since I don’t use their cocoa or eat mass produced chocolate.

That sounds snotty, but it’s not meant to be!
They are known to use products made, gathered by child labour. But reality is most big brands do that too. Nike, Adidas, Apple, Gap and the list goes on. Its easy to find the info on it all. World consumers though turn a blind eye to it all. Sports stars being ambassadors and promoting gear they use made by children under appalling conditions.
Next time anyone eats some Nutella, spare a thought for the slave labour children that gathered the nuts to make it.
 
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