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DonBaldy

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Was on one of my FB vaping groups discussing RDAs and someone said the the KRMA by Mission XV is actually made in China. I'm surprised but not surprised if that makes any sense and very slightly disappointed. Not so disappointed that I'm not still excited to get this in and vape it.

A while back there was accusations that Purge mods were made in China. Now this one I take with a whole salt mine because I'd hear it from drama king Jai Haze and I know he just like to stir the shit and rile people up. I'd have to go back and dig them up but there was a couple of other sources also alluding to a Purge/Chine connection. From my observations the clone Purges I had were so good the OG parts would interchange and function. Even if they are USA made I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard fro a Chinese engineer or machinist to take accurate measurements and duplicate and we know that the Chinese don't give a rat's ass about American copyright laws.

This begs the question, is literally everything made in China? I do know with vape gear it's common to be US designed but manufactured in China. Do we not have CNC machines here in the US? Do we no longer have machinists to run them?

Welcome to the United States (Made in China).
 

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It’s my belief that 90% of vape stuff is made in China.

How many groups/modders actually post their production lines?

Not many, it’s a huge investment.

Additionally, those that do use China lose their designs and rights against clones being produced; and why it’s funny to see clones being released days before and days after a drop.

There are levels of quality from China obviously, but also from production for designers...

China: we can do that, 500 MoQ, level 1 = $20 an item to your exact specs level 2 is a near exact production, might be 95% accurate, we change orings to save money, change from 316 to 304 to save a few more, use stainless 510 vs plated brass save a few more... level 3... etc etc

These modders imo then see a MoQ cost of let’s say 50k up front cost lose their design for level 1 production... and think of profit.

I remember when 67mods went the China route via the NeoFet, he asked the group basically if China was bad, and said his costs would be much lower and passed on... the mod was still over $250, but probably cost less than $50 to produce.

Anyway, yeah most of everything vape related is made in China


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Most everything now in the US is made in China. Like everything. I think we owed them money and made a shady trade/manufacturing agreement.

I assume most gear is made in China. If it’s not, it would prolly cost significantly more than other mods made there.

It’s a sucky situation.
 

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Unfortunately it is cheaper to produce items in China and ship them to the US than it is to manufacture them in the US.

At the end of the day a majority of people are looking to save money and Chinese manufacturing is a direct result of this.
 

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Yep several US vape outfits engineer their devices here but they are made in China.
VERY VERY little vape stuff is actually made in the USA.
I figure under 1% of the vape stuff that is sold in the USA.
Much more vape stuff is made in the EU than in the USA.
 

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There are several brands made in the US still and they make fine machines. Purge, Avid Lyfe (except the TimeKeeper), Comp Lyfe, DUVO, R6Two, Ride the Lightning, League of Scoundrels, Vaping American Made, TVL, among others and several of whom own their own manufacturing facilities (for now). DUVO actually sources their metals from US mining.

All of them that do own their manufacturing make all kinds of shit from knives to car parts. Its how they pay their machinists. All of them that do manufacture have something from China on them if not the packaging, or the o-rings. I would argue its literally impossible to not own a product that something from the far east hasn't touched.

When I was developing my coating method I bought a lot of clones to ruin. I have had brass rust in acetone, copper test positive for lead and even had a box mod crumble to dust because it was aluminum clad pot metal and the solvent ate through the cladding and dissolved the pot metal. Before learning of how bad some of this stuff was, I was indifferent on Chinese manufacturing. Now I test it before I use it to know its safe. Personally I don't care what other people do, but that's where I am on the matter.

Chinese made stuff is shit by and large and people have their products made there because everyone wants as much as they can get, as cheap as they can get it. That's the mindset of the world now: Cheap and Deep.

While there are some reputable Chinese manufacturers, there are far more unknown factories. Which are sometimes 3 or 4 people in some filthy shop, scraping together what they can so they don't starve to death. Quality is pretty far down the production checklist in that situation 100% of the time and I personally would rather pay a few extra dollars to not worry if some starving Chinese slave, copper clad a lead brick in an outhouse so I can buy it for $12 instead of $22.
 

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So what brands of vape gear can you buy for non mechs that isn’t lead based?
 

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A helluva lot of everything we use in our daily lives is now made by the Chinese. The prez says he is going to get our manufacturing back - not gonna happen because the majority of our machine tools and tooling have disappeared into China, sold by the ton as scrap. Certainly not all that stuff has been melted down; there are a lot of Kearney and Trekker mills and American Pacemaker lathes earning their keep in their second careers in a foreign land.
 

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If from China SS is safest.

Thanks, Cromwell. I’ve been getting SS and glass tanks. Not sure if the mods are stainless or zinc alloy, which would be okay if they didn’t use some bs metals that are harmful.

The Chinese don’t have to wage war on us with conventional weapons, they can poison us with shoddily made goods!
 

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Was on one of my FB vaping groups discussing RDAs and someone said the the KRMA by Mission XV is actually made in China. I'm surprised but not surprised if that makes any sense and very slightly disappointed. Not so disappointed that I'm not still excited to get this in and vape it.

A while back there was accusations that Purge mods were made in China. Now this one I take with a whole salt mine because I'd hear it from drama king Jai Haze and I know he just like to stir the shit and rile people up. I'd have to go back and dig them up but there was a couple of other sources also alluding to a Purge/Chine connection. From my observations the clone Purges I had were so good the OG parts would interchange and function. Even if they are USA made I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard fro a Chinese engineer or machinist to take accurate measurements and duplicate and we know that the Chinese don't give a rat's ass about American copyright laws.

This begs the question, is literally everything made in China? I do know with vape gear it's common to be US designed but manufactured in China. Do we not have CNC machines here in the US? Do we no longer have machinists to run them?

Welcome to the United States (Made in China).
All of the Armageddon stuff has been made in China and he actually led people to believe it was manufactured in the U.S. One of the best single coil rda's, the B2K is made in China. There's different levels of China made and the Mission stuff falls under the higher tier if that makes sense. The machining is flawless on these RDA'S. It's like QP Designs, I've had a discussion with Phil about him having his products made in China and there are higher tier Chinese manufacturers that are still cheaper than making them in North America.

I assumed everyone knew where they were made, I personally don't think it takes away from the KRMA and regularly see people with it on very high end mods.
 
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There are several brands made in the US still and they make fine machines. Purge, Avid Lyfe (except the TimeKeeper), Comp Lyfe, DUVO, R6Two, Ride the Lightning, League of Scoundrels, Vaping American Made, TVL, among others and several of whom own their own manufacturing facilities (for now). DUVO actually sources their metals from US mining.
You forgot Kennedy :rolleyes:
 

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All of the Armageddon stuff has been made in China and he actually led people to believe it was manufactured in the U.S. One of the best single coil rda's, the B2K is made in China. There's different levels of China made and the Mission stuff falls under the higher tier if that makes sense. The machining is flawless on these RDA'S. It's like QP Designs, I've had a discussion with Phil about him having his products made in China and there are higher tier Chinese manufacturers that are still cheaper than making them in North America.

I assumed everyone knew where they were made, I personally don't think it takes away from the KRMA and regularly see people with it on very high end mods.

Is everything in CA made in China, as well?
 

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I for one would still be smoking if not for Chinese made vape stuff.
I expect the majority of those that used vapes as smoking cessation are in the same boat.
True that! My very first attempt was a joyetech cigalike, followed by a joyetech ego pen and innokin product.
 

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I don’t know why u ppl complain, seriously. China makes quality stuff, but sadly the rest of the world doesn't want it period. Cuz they think China is known for making cheap shit and we should just import the cheap shit cuz that’s what everyone wants. The better quality stuff from China is a pricey and ppl just gonna think we lying when they read the label made in China and shit ain’t cheap or crap.

If your mind set is that u want cheap Chinese stuff cuz your hoping to use it for short term, then yeah I feel u. But if your mind set is that your getting cheap Chinese stuff cuz that’s all they are known for, then your wrong bro
 

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I'm well aware that there is quality available in China. My last career was in an engineering capacity where I outsourced steel and ductile iron castings from China. I found really crummy ones really cheap. I also bought 10,000 4140 steel castings that were the finest castings I ever laid eyes on. Dimensionally as good as it can get for a casting and they machined and welded as good as they looked. You get what you pay for no matter where it is made.
 

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I don’t know why u ppl complain, seriously. China makes quality stuff, but sadly the rest of the world doesn't want it period. Cuz they think China is known for making cheap shit and we should just import the cheap shit cuz that’s what everyone wants. The better quality stuff from China is a pricey and ppl just gonna think we lying when they read the label made in China and shit ain’t cheap or crap.

If your mind set is that u want cheap Chinese stuff cuz your hoping to use it for short term, then yeah I feel u. But if your mind set is that your getting cheap Chinese stuff cuz that’s all they are known for, then your wrong bro

The problem is that most if not all of the stuff we buy in stores is made in China. And it’s not really great quality. But we don’t have the choice of demanding that big stores sell better quality stuff, because they’ll just prolly sell similar quality at higher prices.

You have to understand that 99% of our goods are made in China. If people sound negative about Chinese products, that’s why.
 

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The problem is that most if not all of the stuff we buy in stores is made in China. And it’s not really great quality. But we don’t have the choice of demanding that big stores sell better quality stuff, because they’ll just prolly sell similar quality at higher prices.

You have to understand that 99% of our goods are made in China. If people sound negative about Chinese products, that’s why.
I'm old enough to remember when "Made In Japan" was a joke. As a child I got a cheap transistor radio for Christmas that was made in Japan and it broke down in about a week. 15-20 years later I was shelling out a lot of money for top shelf Sansui stereo equipment made in Japan and I bought a Japanese Datsun around that time also. Drove it until the wheels fell off. Same things later with S. Korea. Some of the best machine tools in the world come from Taiwan and the aforementioned countries. That stuff used to be made here in the U.S. Not anymore; there are only a few companies left here. Many of the machine tools we made in the 20th century and the tooling to run on them has migrated to China, sold by the ton for scrap. Mind you, a lot of those machine tools and tooling were NOT melted down for scrap; the Chinese are using the hell out of them to make stuff. The orange guy lied to everyone when he said he would bring back manufacturing to this country. We don't have the machines and tooling left to do it; at least the way we used to.

The Chinese people are coming into their time, it's their turn. Whether we like it or not. Sorry, but it's the truth. They can make good stuff but they are going to want to be paid for making it, just like any other industrial nation. They will. And when their middle class gets wealthy like ours they will suffer the same fate as the rest of us.
 

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I'm old enough to remember when "Made In Japan" was a joke. As a child I got a cheap transistor radio for Christmas that was made in Japan and it broke down in about a week. 15-20 years later I was shelling out a lot of money for top shelf Sansui stereo equipment made in Japan and I bought a Japanese Datsun around that time also. Drove it until the wheels fell off. Same things later with S. Korea. Some of the best machine tools in the world come from Taiwan and the aforementioned countries. That stuff used to be made here in the U.S. Not anymore; there are only a few companies left here. Many of the machine tools we made in the 20th century and the tooling to run on them has migrated to China, sold by the ton for scrap. Mind you, a lot of those machine tools and tooling were NOT melted down for scrap; the Chinese are using the hell out of them to make stuff. The orange guy lied to everyone when he said he would bring back manufacturing to this country. We don't have the machines and tooling left to do it; at least the way we used to.

The Chinese people are coming into their time, it's their turn. Whether we like it or not. Sorry, but it's the truth. They can make good stuff but they are going to want to be paid for making it, just like any other industrial nation. They will. And when their middle class gets wealthy like ours they will suffer the same fate as the rest of us.

I agree. And from what I’ve heard, the reason all of our stuff is made over there is because we owe them major bucks. So we made a trade deal instead of paying out money we don’t have. I don’t blame them for selling us crappy merchandise!

But the only way for this country to get on its feet is to maybe have small businesses start manufacturing some goods. You’re right, it is China’s time now, but this country doesn’t have to go down in flames now either, imho. We should have a choice about what we buy. It’s a fucked up situation!
 

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The problem is that most if not all of the stuff we buy in stores is made in China. And it’s not really great quality. But we don’t have the choice of demanding that big stores sell better quality stuff, because they’ll just prolly sell similar quality at higher prices.

You have to understand that 99% of our goods are made in China. If people sound negative about Chinese products, that’s why.
People want cheap stuff. Otherwise we would still be buying US made stuff.
corps like it too for a bigger profit margin.
 

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I agree. And from what I’ve heard, the reason all of our stuff is made over there is because we owe them major bucks. So we made a trade deal instead of paying out money we don’t have. I don’t blame them for selling us crappy merchandise!

But the only way for this country to get on its feet is to maybe have small businesses start manufacturing some goods. You’re right, it is China’s time now, but this country doesn’t have to go down in flames now either, imho. We should have a choice about what we buy. It’s a fucked up situation!
Ahh but the catch 22. China would not have had as much money to buy our debt with if we did not buy most of our retail store stuff from them.
 

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People want cheap stuff. Otherwise we would still be buying US made stuff.
corps like it too for a bigger profit margin.

Yep, and it’s prolly digital debt not backed by precious metals, since I don’t think we’ve got that much anymore. It gets more slippery the more you dig into this whole thing.
 

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I'm old enough to remember when "Made In Japan" was a joke. As a child I got a cheap transistor radio for Christmas that was made in Japan and it broke down in about a week. 15-20 years later I was shelling out a lot of money for top shelf Sansui stereo equipment made in Japan and I bought a Japanese Datsun around that time also. Drove it until the wheels fell off. Same things later with S. Korea. Some of the best machine tools in the world come from Taiwan and the aforementioned countries. That stuff used to be made here in the U.S. Not anymore; there are only a few companies left here. Many of the machine tools we made in the 20th century and the tooling to run on them has migrated to China, sold by the ton for scrap. Mind you, a lot of those machine tools and tooling were NOT melted down for scrap; the Chinese are using the hell out of them to make stuff. The orange guy lied to everyone when he said he would bring back manufacturing to this country. We don't have the machines and tooling left to do it; at least the way we used to.

The Chinese people are coming into their time, it's their turn. Whether we like it or not. Sorry, but it's the truth. They can make good stuff but they are going to want to be paid for making it, just like any other industrial nation. They will. And when their middle class gets wealthy like ours they will suffer the same fate as the rest of us.

Spot on

however going back to Dons intro I do think companies should be up front about it, no reason to hide it from people, it’ll only come back and bite them in the ass.

psyclone for instance always been up front about it , don’t try to over inflate market prices, plenty of people perceive them as a stand up company regardless of where it’s made.

Don’t get me wrong seeing products from home grown start to end is great and I wish we saw more out there, difficult times to stay afloat and especially remain competitive sadly
 

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I don’t know why u ppl complain, seriously. China makes quality stuff, but sadly the rest of the world doesn't want it period. Cuz they think China is known for making cheap shit and we should just import the cheap shit cuz that’s what everyone wants. The better quality stuff from China is a pricey and ppl just gonna think we lying when they read the label made in China and shit ain’t cheap or crap.

If your mind set is that u want cheap Chinese stuff cuz your hoping to use it for short term, then yeah I feel u. But if your mind set is that your getting cheap Chinese stuff cuz that’s all they are known for, then your wrong bro
Not trying to imply that Chinese made products are not quality because as we know we use quality products from Chinese manufacturers every day. Nor am trying to imply any criticism towards the Chinese people or their ability to make quality products. Cheap shit is made all over the globe and conversely quality products can be made anywhere.

My comment stems from the fact that we used to make most everything here in America. We imported very little. The effect of this is the loss of jobs. While that's good for the Chinese people employed in those factories it's not as good for Americans. Please don't take my beginning this topic as any slight towards China, the manufactures, or the Chinese people.
 

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Not trying to imply that Chinese made products are not quality because as we know we use quality products from Chinese manufacturers every day. Nor am trying to imply any criticism towards the Chinese people or their ability to make quality products. Cheap shit is made all over the globe and conversely quality products can be made anywhere.

My comment stems from the fact that we used to make most everything here in America. We imported very little. The effect of this is the loss of jobs. While that's good for the Chinese people employed in those factories it's not as good for Americans. Please don't take my beginning this topic as any slight towards China, the manufactures, or the Chinese people.
The Peak of the golden Age of the US is now past us.
 

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The Peak of the golden Age of the US is now past us.
A thing that many refuse to face. We cannot compete in a global market. The standard and therefore cost of living and producing here is far higher than most of the rest of the industrialized world. The "good enuff" attitude of most people has them buying what to them amounts to the same thing from somewhere else for a fraction of the cost.

The United States thrived when we produced, bought and sold mainly to ourselves.

In the realm of vaping, the overwhelmingly vast majority of vapers want to raise a simple electronic device to their lips, press a button and get vapor. A 20 dollar device or a 200 dollar device will do that just as well.

I am making no pronouncements on how good or bad any of this is, but simply that it is.
 

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