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Juul's latest idea to placate FDA: Massive vape tracking technology

Synphul

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And now that they've blabbed this, the kids know where the id number is and get a pod from a friend they don't want traced - rub rub rub and like magic, the serial number is gone. Who knew.
 

Rhianne

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And the first comment I read there after reading the article was “Wouldn’t it be nice if people didn’t have to smoke or vape? And look like an idiot doing it..,blah blah.”

Are Juuling and vaping the same? They’re getting tarred with the same shit, though. Really makes me angry.

Sorry, I’m tired of hearing anti vapers kvetch about teen vaping!


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MyMagicMist

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Synphul

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I don't really see 'juuling' as a thing. It's vaping like anything else. You don't see people who drink soda and who choose between pibb, dr pecker, pepsi, mtn dew or coke have one branch off and be like 'hey, i'm pibbing man'. Derp. More young ignorant minds bastardizing the english language, turning nouns to verbs where they shouldn't be.

If anything is the issue, it's likely the nic salts. I get the idea behind it, faster working nicotine for ex smokers. You didn't have kids or idiots really overdoing it with traditional freebase nicotine because once you got up to 18-24mg that shit was spicy. Severe throat hit. Now you've got 35-50mg, nearly 60mg in juul pods (or at least they were). And on top of it the high nic ejuice is not only smoother (no natural repulsive harshness), it enters the bloodstream faster. Perfect storm for idiots who want to abuse it.

I've seen multiple people including some reviewers say that after vaping on regular ejuice setups, once they began with the nic salts they found it more difficult to go back. Not quite as bad as quitting smoking, but still the additional nicotine boosted cravings. Pretty sure juul were the first or one of the first to offer nic salts in their pods when all the other ecig/vape stuff was still using freebase nic. And then the problems began. And if the articles I read are accurate, the UK limits the strength of the nicotine to 18mg, around 1/3 the level of juul's nic salts. They also don't have the 'teen epidemic' we do.
 

MyMagicMist

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I don't really see 'juuling' as a thing. It's vaping like anything else.

More young ignorant minds bastardizing the english language, turning nouns to verbs where they shouldn't be.

Agree with you in both cases.

You didn't have kids or idiots really overdoing it with traditional freebase nicotine because once you got up to 18-24mg that shit was spicy. Severe throat hit.

I enjoy 18 mg nicotine per ml. A bit of an odd mutate here though. Tried 24 mg per volume of those Mark 10 things, did not enjoy that. I had 35 years of using various tobacco products prior to vaping. Even chewed natural GA tobacco once, figured out the terminology of "sick as dog" was an understatement. Raw natural tobacco can double you over.

See your point though. Figure the axiom of good and bad in every walk of life resonates. Shameful a few "bad apples" spoil the whole barrel.
 

Rhianne

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And now that they've blabbed this, the kids know where the id number is and get a pod from a friend they don't want traced - rub rub rub and like magic, the serial number is gone. Who knew.


Well as William Burroughs said, wouldn’t you? :teehee:


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Synphul

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Agree with you in both cases.



I enjoy 18 mg nicotine per ml. A bit of an odd mutate here though. Tried 24 mg per volume of those Mark 10 things, did not enjoy that. I had 35 years of using various tobacco products prior to vaping. Even chewed natural GA tobacco once, figured out the terminology of "sick as dog" was an understatement. Raw natural tobacco can double you over.

See your point though. Figure the axiom of good and bad in every walk of life resonates. Shameful a few "bad apples" spoil the whole barrel.
Nothing wrong with higher nic in moderation. And adults know better, just like adults don't try to chug whiskey or vodka the way kids do. Then they get sick or alcohol poisoning. 18mg is too high for me in direct lung, but juul really amped it up with the 60mg. And with saltnic, it didn't just jack the nicotine levels, it put some stank on it. I'm not blaming juul entirely, I think just about anything can be used by adults responsibly outside of a few bad apples. I just think it made it more palletable for the kids looking for a nic buzz.

Kind of the perfect storm. Something relatively cheap, small and easily concealable, inconspicuous, loaded with 3-4x the nic level of the strongest standard ejuice out there and amped up with nic salts to transfer to the blood stream faster as well as reduced offputting throat hit. All the conditions were ripe for nerds to abuse it and since that was juul's baby, they get left holding the bag.
 

The Cromwell

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I do not expect the FDA to approve nic salts.
I also expect any approved juice to have a max nic level of 18-24 mg maybe?
 

pulsevape

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placate tyrants....yeah ...yeah that's the ticket....after all ,that has always worked out well throughout history.
 

MyMagicMist

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placate tyrants....yeah ...yeah that's the ticket....after all ,that has always worked out well throughout history.

Revolutions do not work either. We had one and wound up right back where we started before the revolution began. I believe it is because the word revolution borrows from its root, revolve, meaning to go in circular motion. Circles only bring you back to the point of where you begin.

This is why I further believe we need an evolution which means to evolve, to go higher or move forward in a linear manner. We had higher ideals, virtues once and we even aspired to reach them. Instead of coming back to the same ailments we have by revolting, we ought to realize our maturity as a species and return to striving to our higher selves.

We likely will not do that. Antiquity shows that it repeats itself time and time again. I would almost say that time itself proceeds by revolutions. Surely the cycle of life and death create a passage of time that starts from point A and ends, begins again from point A.
 

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