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Yep no problem vaping outside.
and yeah still tend to vape around smokers.
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I like to vape around smokers because you never know if you might be able to help someone out or encourage them to try vaping instead
I wouldn't shed a tear for Juul if they were forced out of business, especially if that meant that vaping as a whole received a reprieve from all the false fear mongering going on. Unfortunately, that's not how it usually works ... give an inch and they take a mile type thing.
What's wrong with nude vaping provided you aren't out in public?
Lol, just teasin', I did a quick glance at your comments and that's how it originally read to me.
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Nude vaping is fun!
Ditto
Indeed, I don't expect it would work that way at all. In fact, I believe it would have the opposite effect.
I think we should be glad that the product which is most popular with the under-age crowd is a product that doesn't appeal to most of us. Juul is providing a handy distraction for the ANTZ from the stuff we vape. I'd rather have the ANTZ focused on Juul than on our open systems and nic base.
If the ANTZ somehow did manage to drive Juul out of business, you know what would happen, right? The under-age crowd would move on to whatever was still available, and most likely it would something closer to our open systems. Moreover, the ANTZ would feel empowered by their "victory" and come after whatever is left harder than ever.
I'll make an analogy: Right now, we are like the pipe and cigar smokers that the anti-smoking zealots have never really bothered going after due to their perception that cigs were the the battle they should fight.
I wouldn't shed a tear for Juul if they were forced out of business, especially if that meant that vaping as a whole received a reprieve from all the false fear mongering going on. Unfortunately, that's not how it usually works ... give an inch and they take a mile type thing.
What's wrong with nude vaping provided you aren't out in public?
Lol, just teasin', I did a quick glance at your comments and that's how it originally read to me.
I have the sinking feeling Juul is going to use some of their billions to squirm out of this situation and carry on. But at the expense of how many small vape companies who might be forced to shut down, as a worst case scenario.
Nude vaping is fine by me, as long as I don’t have to do it...to paraphrase WC Fields.
Haze, I meant to say last week that it’s cool to meet one of the OG taste testers from ECF.
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I have very little doubt. And hopefully they will keep the FDA and the ANTZ distracted enough not to pay much attention to us, especially after May 12th, 2020...
I hope so, as that would be a great outcome for us, and let small juice companies stay in business.
It makes prepping a real must, since it still can go either way for us. I thought the heat wave had ended here, but it’s still hot here.
Hope you’re doing well!
Sadly and unfortunately, I totally agree. This is far more likely to occur than is vaping becoming acceptable and seen as a positive for risk reduction; regardless of the truth in that aspect. Additionally, at least partly due to the successful demonization of smoking, we as vapers are seen as something less than desirable to non-smokers and as such, they don't even bother to look beyond the surface of the matter. They don't see, or don't care to see, the further erosion of our freedoms that underlines this fight. They only see a behavior that they don't agree with and really couldn't care less about.
It's disappointing because ultimately everyone loses, well everyone except those in positions of power. Any and all success that is achieved in curbing vaping will only lead to more of the same in future with other products that aren't deemed 'acceptable'. Just look at the proliferation of 'sin' taxes on vaping and more recently, outright bans.
It's hard out there for a vaper ...
I think so far in the USA vaping itself has not been banned just the sale in some areas.
And of course lumped into the no smoking zones as well.
and taxes, but that was inevitable even if FDA approved.
I don't disagree but my point is still why tax vaping products any differently than say, grocery items? It's the perception that it's a vice and something we shouldn't' be doing along with public apathy that allows such taxes and bans in the first place. I say they don't have the right to tell me what I should or shouldn't be consuming. That's called free will and something that should be respected even if those choices aren't necessarily good for me.
As far as I'm concerned, the government's only responsibility in this respect is to try and protect consumers by warning them of possible dangers. They shouldn't be allowed to profit when someone doesn't take heed of their warning. Who knows what other conditioning practices they may wish to implement in the future.
Why tax vapes?
because vapers are a minority and public opinion will endorse it or tolerate it.
should not be able to profit?
Ahh remember the whiskey tax rebellion?
Washington raised a larger force than was raised for any revolutionary war battle.
And it was all just to raise money.
You might call taxes a founding principle of our country.
because vapers are a minority and public opinion will endorse it or tolerate it.
should not be able to profit?
Ahh remember the whiskey tax rebellion?
Washington raised a larger force than was raised for any revolutionary war battle.
And it was all just to raise money.
You might call taxes a founding principle of our country.
Pretty much exactly what I said ...
Yes exactly. They should not be allowed to profit simply because they don't like a product that you happen to like. Imagine if they stuck a sin tax on coffee because it contains caffeine. I don't think that would go over so easy but the analogy is similar.
Sin taxes are a founding principle of our country? Okay, if you say so but I remain defiant. I will never see taxing certain items more than others as acceptable or ethical. They sell it as a means to discourage smoking but really it's just another way to steal others hard earned money, many of whom can scarcely afford it.
Taxing those who can least afford it is another time honored tradition in our country.
Those who can afford it can afford to rent congresspersons to get their taxes reduced.
The working poor and such cannot.
I fully support a pure flat rate personal income tax with no deductions.
10% for everyone? On ALL personal income unless it was previously taxed such as in a post tax savings/retirement, etc.
Think of the reduced costs of the IRS...
Smaller government.
I'm reminded of a Metallica song ...
Sadly, I don't the tax code changing anytime soon, at least not to our benefit anyway.
Nope how would congress persons get money from the rich if they cannot benefit them?I'm reminded of a Metallica song ...
Sadly, I don't the tax code changing anytime soon, at least not to our benefit anyway.
I would like to see the flat rate tax be in the constitution. And be an adjustable rate by congress but not modified from a flat rate tax.
You make $1,000 you pay 10% you make $1,000,000 you pay 10%.
The ones making mega bucks benefit more from living here than the ones making working wages so why should they not pay a higher dollar amount?
Allowing government to profit when someone doesn't take heed of a warning instantly creates a moral dilemma, an incentive not to make the warnings too effective, lest the revenue decline too precipitously.
Hey I voted for Ross.
the guy that brought charts and graphs to political campaigns
the guy that brought charts and graphs to political campaigns
If there was a heart emoticon here like ECF has, I would have pressed it! Thanks for saying this.
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I'm reminded of a Metallica song ...
Sadly, I don't the tax code changing anytime soon, at least not to our benefit anyway.
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