Facebook and Instagram to restrict content related to alcohol, tobacco and e-cigarettes

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

Facebook will unveil a new policy on Wednesday to restrict sales and limit content related to alcohol and tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, a company spokeswoman tells CNN.

The new policy will prohibit all private sales, trades, transfers and gifting of alcohol and tobacco products on Facebook and Instagram, the spokeswoman said. Any brands that post content related to the sale or transfer of these products will have to restrict that content to adults 18 or older.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/health/facebook-instagram-alcohol-tobacco-bn/index.html

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

Umm won't this hit the high end limited production run vape gear hard?

nadalama · Jul 24, 2019

I'm just gonna go ahead and be mean and say this. These damn kids are gonna screw up vaping for all of us.

I shouldn't complain, started smoking when I was 15. But did the tobacco companies and society at large get all up at arms and try to outlaw smoking back then? THEY SURE AS HELL DID NOT!

Now there's some joker who's been going through several pods of 50mg juice on his damn Juul every day for god knows how long, had a fucking stroke and blames it on the Juul, not his own stupidity. He's bound to have been sick as shit and just kept on vaping and vaping and vaping.

Every time someone proves how stupid people can be, the rest of us who try to be careful and do things right are the ones who end up losing privileges that we haven't abused in the first damn place.

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

nadalama said:
I'm just gonna go ahead and be mean and say this. These damn kids are gonna screw up vaping for all of us.

I shouldn't complain, started smoking when I was 15. But did the tobacco companies and society at large get all up at arms and try to outlaw smoking back then? THEY SURE AS HELL DID NOT!

Now there's some joker who's been going through several pods of 50mg juice on his damn Juul every day for god knows how long, had a fucking stroke and blames it on the Juul, not his own stupidity. He's bound to have been sick as shit and just kept on vaping and vaping and vaping.

Every time someone proves how stupid people can be, the rest of us who try to be careful and do things right are the ones who end up losing privileges that we haven't abused in the first damn place.

Ohh that is a human thing a few bad apples spoil many things for the rest of us.
Such as the pill heads that make it almost impossible for people who need pain pills to get them.

MyMagicMist · Jul 24, 2019

nadalama said:
These damn kids are gonna screw up vaping for all of us.
I shouldn't complain, started smoking when I was 15. But did the tobacco companies and society at large get all up at arms and try to outlaw smoking back then? THEY SURE AS HELL DID NOT!
Now there's some joker who's been going through several pods of 50mg juice on his damn Juul every day for god knows how long, had a fucking stroke and blames it on the Juul, not his own stupidity. He's bound to have been sick as shit and just kept on vaping and vaping and vaping.
Every time someone proves how stupid people can be, the rest of us who try to be careful and do things right are the ones who end up losing privileges that we haven't abused in the first damn place.

BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!

Amen, even if I don't pray. You speak the truth of the situation very clearly. I was thirteen when I started smoking cigarettes. Shops in VA didn't mind possibly paying $500 fines if they were ever caught selling to minors. $500 was nothing to the tens of thousands of dollars they would have lost from their customer base, had they not sold to minors.

And these shops could also figure "well some dad/mom sent a kid in to pick up cigarettes for him." That could have been the case in large numbers of the cases too. The shops were not responsible to go check every time a kid came in, bought smokes and left. Also, for the area of VA I was in a non-written rule was, "old enough to ask for them, old enough to buy and smoke them."

There was no rallying cry then to "save the children." Nobody cared either way. Sure your parents might catch you and try to tell you not to smoke. More often than not the whole means they used to do that was "smoke the whole pack in front of me." Kids did and so the parents just tossed up their hands realizing the failure. Society at large just let it slide. In schools we would walk across the main public road to "be off school property" to smoke. Schools then might press for truancy but there was no point as we come back to school once we finished a cigarette.

So why then paint vaping as a demon? Well, I'm pretty sure as others point out it's due to Big Tobacco, Big Pharmaceutical losing money. This means politicians also lose money gotten from these special interests. See how clearly our representatives represent us?

SteveS45 · Jul 24, 2019

After a little searching there is nothing about this Chicken Little Story anywhere except CNN not even a message on Facebook itself. FAKE NEWS

nadalama · Jul 24, 2019

The Cromwell said:
Ohh that is a human thing a few bad apples spoil many things for the rest of us.
Such as the pill heads that make it almost impossible for people who need pain pills to get them.

And a HELL YES to that, too.

They now prescribe this shit called TRAMADOL, which, well, you might as well take a goddamn ibuprofen, it's not worth a plug nickel.

The thing about the opioid problem, and I know this for a FACT from an ex-family member who was doing it, opioids made a lot of doctors RICH. 30-days' supply at a time, meaning you had to see the doc every 30 days, a lot of them accepted cash only, an appointment took less than five minutes, which means that, at $125 cash a pop, 12 appointments in an hour, 8 hours in a day, do the math. A practice like that could bring in $12,000 CASH A DAY. $60,000 A WEEK. And their waiting rooms stayed full, all day long every day.

Bunch of drug dealers in white coats. Should be swinging from the tallest tree.

nadalama · Jul 24, 2019

SteveS45 said:
After a little searching there is nothing about this Chicken Little Story anywhere except CNN not even a message on Facebook itself. FAKE NEWS

It should be easy enough to check whether it's FAKE NEWS or not.

Good god I am sick of hearing the phrase FAKE NEWS.

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

nadalama said:
It should be easy enough to check whether it's FAKE NEWS or not.

Good god I am sick of hearing the phrase FAKE NEWS.

Yeah seems like the ones who yell it the loudest just have their variety of fake news they believe.
Removing the credibility of the news media is one step towards a totalitarian govt.

SteveS45 · Jul 24, 2019

nadalama said:
It should be easy enough to check whether it's FAKE NEWS or not.

Here you go~!

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

The new policy is not yet in place....
some suffer from reading comprehension issues it seems.
From the origional post:
Facebook will unveil a new policy on Wednesday to restrict sales and limit content related to alcohol and tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, a company spokeswoman tells CNN.

Now if no new policy on this announced today, then perhaps the fake news cry could be valid?

SteveS45 · Jul 24, 2019

Facebook usually Notifies it's users of changes to be implemented in advance but how come your replying to my posts? I guess you took me or your Fake Ignore?

JuicyLucy · Jul 24, 2019

If anyone bothered to read the article, it says it is notifying group administrators of the change in policy, not users

It also says influencers will still be allowed to shill

It does not say when the changes will actually be implemented

I'm still having my morning coffee (not even 8 a.m. here yet) but that is my half asleep interpretation

nadalama · Jul 24, 2019

The Cromwell said:
Yeah seems like the ones who yell it the loudest just have their variety of fake news they believe.
Removing the credibility of the news media is one step towards a totalitarian govt.

Thoughts straight out of my head, Crom. Had that very conversation in my living room Monday night.

MyMagicMist · Jul 24, 2019

JuicyLucy said:
It also says influencers will still be allowed to shill

Influencer to me is a confusing term. Can we say propagandist, liar instead? From my point of view it seems that's what folks mean when they call someone, or agency an influencer. I might be wrong, only saying what I see though. I'd add more humor here but about afraid to do so.

It is confusing for me because I wind up thinking people are in a stove flue, or something. Then, I wonder how anyone can ncer something, much less ncer a flue. No not actually attempting humor here, sarcasm, smart ass or any sort. I do genuinely, sincerely get confused over the word. It just doesn't make any sense in my point of view.

Not sure it helps me or not.

the capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others

And then the definition of influencer.

a person or thing that influences

So are rocks an influencer? I mean maybe I want to dig a hole for a lightning rod, (which I've done before) and run into rocks. I had to change where I was digging. So to me it seems rocks are influencers. I bet the air we breathe is as well. It's such a broad ass term a person could label anything or anyone an influencer. Of course, reckon you could say the same of liar, propagandist as well.

So to me at least it seems somebody calling others an influencer is not really saying much. To me that seems like folks calling others erudite as a means of insult, when if you look it really isn't insulting. Those saying it are saying another person is learned, or capable of learning. How is that an insult? I'd think it would be a compliment.

My wife acted as an influencer today. She was apparently supposed have been at work at 9 AM. She was not made aware of that and got to work at the time she thought she was to be at work, 10 AM. The manager from the district sent her home although this same manager has not sent anyone else home due to lateness. So, my wife influenced me by mopping my galley with vinegar and dish soap. I normally use Pinesol. Be damned if her mopping didn't look good. So I reckon being an influencer could be a compliment as well.

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

I laso wonder if the FDA does it's worst next May will youtube drop vape reviewers.
From the whining they have already demonitized them somewhat.

wildgypsy70 · Jul 24, 2019

nadalama said:
It should be easy enough to check whether it's FAKE NEWS or not.

Good god I am sick of hearing the phrase FAKE NEWS.

Me, too

wildgypsy70 · Jul 24, 2019

MyMagicMist said:
BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!BUMP!

Amen, even if I don't pray. You speak the truth of the situation very clearly. I was thirteen when I started smoking cigarettes. Shops in VA didn't mind possibly paying $500 fines if they were ever caught selling to minors. $500 was nothing to the tens of thousands of dollars they would have lost from their customer base, had they not sold to minors.

And these shops could also figure "well some dad/mom sent a kid in to pick up cigarettes for him." That could have been the case in large numbers of the cases too. The shops were not responsible to go check every time a kid came in, bought smokes and left. Also, for the area of VA I was in a non-written rule was, "old enough to ask for them, old enough to buy and smoke them."

There was no rallying cry then to "save the children." Nobody cared either way. Sure your parents might catch you and try to tell you not to smoke. More often than not the whole means they used to do that was "smoke the whole pack in front of me." Kids did and so the parents just tossed up their hands realizing the failure. Society at large just let it slide. In schools we would walk across the main public road to "be off school property" to smoke. Schools then might press for truancy but there was no point as we come back to school once we finished a cigarette.

So why then paint vaping as a demon? Well, I'm pretty sure as others point out it's due to Big Tobacco, Big Pharmaceutical losing money. This means politicians also lose money gotten from these special interests. See how clearly our representatives represent us?

All of this. Especially the money part.

Theboss · Jul 24, 2019

Some reviewers are talking about this today, it is real. It will affect the high end modders the most, but they'll simply move back to the forums.

lordmage · Jul 24, 2019

the facebook groups that are private should not be affected to hard after all they are not public open groups. second facebook need only filter the groups by your profile DOB nothing else need done anyway.

Theboss · Jul 24, 2019

lordmage said:
the facebook groups that are private should not be affected to hard after all they are not public open groups. second facebook need only filter the groups by your profile DOB nothing else need done anyway.

Facebook admins can enter any group, closed or otherwise to check up. No groups are safe.

lordmage · Jul 24, 2019

Theboss said:
Facebook admins can enter any group, closed or otherwise to check up. No groups are safe.

i think you may have glossed over my point.

Any brands that post content related to the sale or transfer of these products will have to restrict that content to adults 18 or older.
this restriction can be done by facebook to limit the ability for all member's under the age limit from even seeing the group or the content.

mind you the private groups are already restricted since there not open groups all facebook is saying is that the posting in the group must be limited to over 18+ if it is a sales post. no more public post for sales but reviews are still ok at this time.

however, that the company is considering possible changes to its influencer policy and is working with industry and regulatory bodies on potential revisions.

The Cromwell · Jul 24, 2019

Good point on private groups.
have to wait and see how it all shakes out.
I expect all things vaping will be doing a lot of shaking during the next year.

MyMagicMist · Jul 25, 2019

lordmage said:
Any brands that post content related to the sale or transfer of these products will have to restrict that content to adults 18 or older.

Well young teen kids can and do lie regarding age. What is Facebook or any content provider on-line going to do in that regard? Will we need to start inserting our ID cards to use sites? I'm doubting that'll go over well due its similarities of "papers please" mantra. People appreciate their privacy and having fewer hassles. Having to offer ID at any site that might even run a single advert for vaping stuff bucks against that. Would figure then lots of content providers would see a drop in user bases, revenue.

Many folks fail to see how much of a social impact vaping produces. I think this will expound upon how much of society vaping effects & affects. Lots of folks might lose out on revenue and ultimately I think once they start doing so, they'll need to decide weather it's worth it to side with policy against vaping or vaping. My own thought is that content providers will follow the money. And I think vaping is where money will be from now on.

lordmage · Jul 25, 2019

MyMagicMist said:
Well young teen kids can and do lie regarding age. What is Facebook or any content provider on-line going to do in that regard? Will we need to start inserting our ID cards to use sites? I'm doubting that'll go over well due its similarities of "papers please" mantra.

i think it is mainly so they can say the teen's used tactics and other means to gain access. it is a liability thing better to be proactive then reactive... also with some states pushing 21 laws you may find that 18 becomes 21. that or facebook moves corporate headquarters to china or rush or some other place where they dont care about america laws.

DogMan · Jul 25, 2019

i got a few notifications today, that groups had renamed themselves

justappending (18+) on the end of their group name

MyMagicMist · Jul 25, 2019

lordmage said:
i think it is mainly so they can say the teen's used tactics and other means to gain access.

I understand that. But in being what they consider proactive they may as well be reactive. They're reacting due to government authority, or social mores either way. Yes it's a liability, either way. Yes, they'll react either way because if they were proactive the issue wouldn't even be an issue. A clear policy from whatever content provider would have been in place from their origin.

lordmage · Jul 25, 2019

MyMagicMist said:
I understand that. But in being what they consider proactive they may as well be reactive. They're reacting due to government authority, or social mores either way. Yes it's a liability, either way. Yes, they'll react either way because if they were proactive the issue wouldn't even be an issue. A clear policy from whatever content provider would have been in place from their origin.

on that we can agree however times change and some times original policy and rules need updating which is what is happening now with facebook and others at some point i am sure

Carambrda · Jul 27, 2019

nadalama said:
I'm just gonna go ahead and be mean and say this. These damn kids are gonna screw up vaping for all of us.

I shouldn't complain, started smoking when I was 15. But did the tobacco companies and society at large get all up at arms and try to outlaw smoking back then? THEY SURE AS HELL DID NOT!

Now there's some joker who's been going through several pods of 50mg juice on his damn Juul every day for god knows how long, had a fucking stroke and blames it on the Juul, not his own stupidity. He's bound to have been sick as shit and just kept on vaping and vaping and vaping.

Every time someone proves how stupid people can be, the rest of us who try to be careful and do things right are the ones who end up losing privileges that we haven't abused in the first damn place.

Do you mean to tell me that my freedom to massively donate my own personal private data to a giant data mining corporation such as facebook is called privilege?

Carambrda · Jul 27, 2019

MyMagicMist said:
And I think vaping is where money will be from now on.

After all the small manufacturers and small companies of the vaping industry will have perished, yes of course from then on facebook will follow Altria, British American Tobacco, Pfizer, and Johnson and Johnson. They'll follow the money like their life depends on it (their life, that is... not the lives of people who are smokers).

Synphul · Jul 27, 2019

Not sure what kind of an effect but custom mod makers are already looking at other avenues. For some like lazy vapor's who run waffles I believe that will be hit. Seth looked into setting up waffles on patreon and his account already got suspended. They didn't even clarify why. Hopefully people can get around it by maybe posting a waffle without actually doing so.

Like hey look at my latest custom woodworking, isn't it beautiful? Vote and tell me how much you like it, each person gets 4 votes (4 entries to the waffle) and each vote will be worth 20pts ($20). Then they have to run their shit through a randomizer or something anyway, handle the transaction off fb privately with the winner and payment. Private transactions off fb are still legal/allowed and they have no enforcement. Or maybe it would be possible to do via a private group chat. I'm sure there's ways around it. But it definitely sucks.

MyMagicMist · Apr 23, 2020

Carambrda said:
yes of course from then on facebook will follow Altria, British American Tobacco, Pfizer, and Johnson and Johnson. They'll follow the money like their life depends on it (their life, that is... not the lives of people who are smokers).

Oh I quite agree. Also wanted to point out Facebook ain't the be all end all as far "social networking" sites. There's also an open source type of network that is decenteralized. It has servers which don't store/sell info. I mean hey, one place acts a fuck up, go to another, the Interwebs is big, vast.

Carambrda · Apr 23, 2020

MyMagicMist said:
Oh I quite agree. Also wanted to point out Facebook ain't the be all end all as far "social networking" sites. There's also an open source type of network that is decenteralized. It has servers which don't store/sell info. I mean hey, one place acts a fuck up, go to another, the Interwebs is big, vast.

Okuna/Mastodon/PixelFed/Textile/Wire/Signal

MyMagicMist · Apr 25, 2020

GnuSocial / diaspora / Friendica / Oxwall / elgg / Insoshi / xoops / AstroSpaces / pigg / Buddypress

A plethora more for the asking.

Carambrda · Apr 26, 2020

MyMagicMist said:
GnuSocial / diaspora / Friendica / Oxwall / elgg / Insoshi / xoops / AstroSpaces / pigg / Buddypress

A plethora more for the asking.

From that list I only glanced at diaspora and Friendica. Their biggest obstacle is still the limited user base so instead I just confuse the giant dataminers by feeding them partially faked personal data and counter-analysis "plastic face" type of behavioral style patterns... for way more than a decade facebook thought my native tongue was French and these days it thinks I'm an American who lives in Europe.

MyMagicMist · Apr 26, 2020

Carambrda said:
From that list I only glanced at diaspora and Friendica. Their biggest obstacle is still the limited user base so instead I just confuse the giant dataminers by feeding them partially faked personal data and counter-analysis "plastic face" type of behavioral style patterns... for way more than a decade facebook thought my native tongue was French and these days it thinks I'm an American who lives in Europe.

There's a Linux program called RIG (Random Identity Generator). You can do much the same it does visiting this site and possibly this one. You can also do a search for such things as well. Yeah, my searches are growing trees, un-fuck any one giving me gruff about. at least I'm trying to do something to help save us all.

Not that I per say condone using fake identities but damn it, too much personal data gets entangled in the Inter-Webs. It leaves a lot of security risk for a lot of people. I'm not too bothered by it. If someone wants my identity, more power to 'em. They can help pay my wife's school loans maybe, maybe ensure i keep getting my vape juice and having at least half decent mods, wire for coils, cotton. I like eating but not a picky eater. Hell I may even eat meal worms. *chuckles*

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