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Anti-Vaping Researchers Claim E-Cigarettes Cause Heart Attacks Before Smokers Try Them
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See how bad vaping is! Causes heart attacks 10 years before you even start vaping.
Have a thread on this from a different source.
Have a thread on this from a different source.
They chose to have a second study in 2007 because e-cig use became popular then? Thanks y’all, nice to know you’ve got our backs with this BS.
So, people were informed they had a heart attack? They didn’t know? Seems strange, to say the least.
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So, people were informed they had a heart attack? They didn’t know? Seems strange, to say the least.
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Anything Glantz is involved in is always a half-truth, perhaps much less than half, just giving him the benefit of doubt.
I'm sure big tobacco and big pharma paid him dearly for this "study"...........
And unfortunately, we may be the ones who pay dearly for his bulshitty “studies.” He’s all about the disinformation. Be nice if he moved to another planet in another galaxy!!
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LoL. Yes, it works like that with Glantz studies! Weird science and all.
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The Galactic Council has forbidden the transportation of any humans from their own solar system.
Probably, but he’s kinda a special case. They can have him back!! Or if the Earth is hollow, he can be brought down there to stay. I think giants supposedly live there, but I don’t watch Gaia TV, so not sure.
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Nope no humans outside the solar system.Probably, but he’s kinda a special case. They can have him back!! Or if the Earth is hollow, he can be brought down there to stay. I think giants supposedly live there, but I don’t watch Gaia TV, so not sure.
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Why do you think I have been stuck here for 900 years with this bunch of miserable humans that just keep spending most of their energy hating and killing each other?
Someone has to keep an eye on things...
Humans might be considered tasty to some species.... And if breeding stock ever got out!!
And the anal probing tales is just bullcrap. Only humans would think of that.
So we're restricted to being a Type II civilization? I'd be OK with that for while.
LOL. I know, you’d think humans would learn something after a few hundred thousand years or so!
Omg, anal probing. Didn’t that become popular in the 70’s? Or whenever folks started getting abducted all over the place!
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Closed system status. Go anywhere in your solar system but do not leave it.
The status may change in several thousand years if humanity does not exterminate itself first.
The consensus seems to be that humans will never progress to the point where they can leave their solar system anyway because they spend too much of their time and knowledge focused on killing each other.
And will eventually poison and deplete their planet to the point where survival will be quite difficult at best.
The species is unable to look beyond their lifetime and make long term plans for the betterment of the species and their planet.
heck the vast majority are unable to even plan for their own retirement.
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You'd better hope humanity never figures out that we're being restrained by an external influence, 'cause if that happens, and we perceive you as our common enemy, you may find you've bitten off more than you can chew.
Probable threats are isolated.
Serious threats are eliminated.
And during every human conflict there have been traitors on both sides.
I just do not see humanity ever becoming one.
Bringing this back on topic, Dr. F. weighs in:
http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/2019/273-heartdis
http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/2019/273-heartdis
Where did you find this all out? If it’s not Eyes Only intel and all, that is.
So, I’m glad it cooled off some today so I don’t have to worry about your mowing. But it’s a good day to take it easy and chill out, imo.
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Hey, I forgot to ask you where you bought your nic base. I’ve been looking online today, but not sure which is the best brand.
Does the higher mg/ml mean I only have to add less, so you use less? Math, fooey!
Hope that made sense with the mg stuff. 
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Really good article, short and to the point. He’s right, but I hope he doesn’t get in trouble for rocking the boat. Thanks, Rossum.
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it is briefing material for all watchers stationed here.
I’m only slightly aware of this stuff, partly from some channeled stuff I’ve read and partly from stuff online. But then again, it could be in jest. Either way, cool. Watch well!
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My stash is almost all Nude Nicotine's Armor V1. I started with that because it's "freezer-ready". It comes in argon-purged glass bottles. It's by no means cheap, but it's very convenient -- open the box, put the bottles in the freezer. A ways into building my stash I started reading about other "premium" nics that might be even better. So I ordered some of each of them and did a blind test with 10 or so people in ECF's Nicotine Comparisons thread. The other brands each cost as much or more than the NN Armor, but didn't come in glass. Guess which one came out as best/cleanest? Yep, the NN Armor. But again, many people are put off by the price.
100 mg/ml (10% nicotine) is more-or-less the standard for nic base. It became the standard because ECF wouldn't allow discussion of anything stronger. I personally wouldn't recommend buying anything stronger unless you're sure you know what you're doing. Of course the stronger it is, the less space it takes up, and the less you need to add.Does the higher mg/ml mean I only have to add less, so you use less? Math, fooey!
Also if you get a bit on you it is not really dangerous as some of the higher nic content base can be.
Nicotine is absorbed thru your skin, that is how the nic patches are 'supposed' to work.
100 mg/ml nic is 10% pure nic.
Pure nic 1000 mg/ml requires full lab safety precautions.
100 mg/ml nic just requires reasonable safety precautions. And wash area soon if any gets on your skin.
all of my nic is from myfreedomsmokes.com. Well pleased with it.
No argon but if put in glass bottles with minimal airspace at the top of the bottle keeps for years in the freezer.
I fill my bottles to the bottom of the neck on the bottle.
The nic will no freeze and expand like water and break the bottle.
PG and VG require something like 60 deg F below zero to freeze.
No residential and most commercial freezers will not get that cold.
Residential freezers are set up for around 0 deg I think.
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I concur with all of that.
I'll just point out that MFS nic has a less than stellar reputation. Some people are fine with it, others say it's excessively peppery. Personally, I haven't tried it.
May well have depended on the batch?
Have not bought any from them in close to 3 years.
May well be crap now.
So, I’ll get the NN freezer nic at 100 mg/ml since it will last longer and take up less space than 48 mg/ml. It’s funny how things got almost standardized with 100 mg/ml, from a thread on ECF!
I liked what I saw on NN, I’m not going to cheap out right now. Especially if you say that it’s the best one. (Nine out of ten ECF’ers chose NN in a blind taste test, like an old commercial! )
Thank you. Hope the rest of the summer isn’t as miserable as it has been so far. I heard a few people died from the heat, which is not really surprising actually! Have a good one.
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Disclaimer: That blind test was four years ago. NN was the best out of the four "premium" nics in at that time. I don't know if we'd get the same results today. I'm not motivated to do another test like that either, because I completed my stockpile three years ago.
I'll note that a lot of people over the last couple of years have said they really like Carolina Extracts' nic. It's supposedly done in the USA using a supercritical CO2 process rather than the traditional organic solvents. I have not tried it, so I have no personal opinion.
If I were just starting at this point, I would probably order 120ml bottles from several vendors and evaluate them myself to see what I like best, although very few offer it freezer-ready (packaged in glass) due to the risk of breakage in transit.
A final note on nic.
I just remembered that I bought 1 250 ml bottle of nic in amber glass from myfreedomsmokes.com and it was as Rossum said, kinda yellow and peppery.
However all the liters in plastic I bought later were great.
Amd still clear. My freezer nic in in clear glass bottles since light is not an issue in a box in the bottom of the freezer.
I just remembered that I bought 1 250 ml bottle of nic in amber glass from myfreedomsmokes.com and it was as Rossum said, kinda yellow and peppery.
However all the liters in plastic I bought later were great.
Amd still clear. My freezer nic in in clear glass bottles since light is not an issue in a box in the bottom of the freezer.
Yep, if I were buying nic that came in plastic and rebottling it into glass myself, I would use clear glass bottles that let you inspect the condition of the nic periodically without having to open it. There is no point in tinted (amber or cobalt) glass in the freezer; it's dark in there already.
Yep, I do use a 30 ml amber glass bottle for my 'ready mixer' nic I keep on my desk in a little tub though because it is subjected to light.
I take a whole 120 ml of 100 mg base and mix it down to vaping strength at one time. The resulting unflavored liquid gets rebottled in 120s and all but one go back in the freezer. When I use flavors, I use so little of them (less than 5%) that I don't worry about the slight reduction in nic strength or change in PG/VG ratio that adding flavoring produces.
There are lots of different ways to do this stuff, and a person has to figure out what works best for them. I like my method because I only need one measuring device (a 250 ml graduated cylinder for the PG and VG), and I never have an open bottle of 100 mg base anywhere.
I just mix my juice in 120 ml bottles and use 5.6 ml of flavoring in 120 ml.
I premix my PG/VG 50% but add nic at mixing time. Anything over 60% VG and I hack up vg, anything over 60% PG and it is harsh.
I also only use 2 ml of 100 mg nic per 120 ml of mix.
Gradually dropped my nic level over the years and have been stable at this level for more than a year now.
I do not worry about the bottle of nic since no small children or teens in the house.
And the weiner dog from hell cannot get up on my desk
While the idea of plastic generally doesn’t thrill me, I will give Carolina a go, as well as Cromwell’s place. At this point, having extra is a good thing!
Glass also makes the nic heavier to ship. Hmm, organic solvents would be nice, not many companies offer anything organic, or even just non GMO.
Thank you, I appreciate the help. I don’t want to end up as a meme of the unprepared vaper after May!!
<—optimistic teehee.
Thanks for doing the fraction math, Cromwell. 100mg/ml sounds more than 10% to me, so good to know.
I’ll check out MFS, and see what they have. I’ll buy from a few places and see what I like. Maybe I’ll try a salt nic base too. It’s worth having around anyway. TY.
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Thanks, I’ll try the plastic then. You’d think it would be the opposite way round!
Oh, I finally watched Todd on YT. He seems like a nice chappie.
His accent is very soothing actually! He was upset about being demonetized. Odd thing is, old film channels I subscribe to have had the same thing happen! Weird.
No, not that kind of organic.
By "organic solvents" I mean stuff like tetrachloroethylene, toluene, acetone, hexane, etc. These are liquids consisting of molecules that contain carbon. I'm not that good with chemistry anymore, but my recollection is that the nicotine in tobacco needs to be extracted with a non-polar solvent, meaning solvents like water or alcohol won't work, but something like benzene or toluene will. This is generally nasty stuff, but in principle, it should all be gone from the nicotine by the time you get it. Supercritical carbon dioxide is starting to displace those solvents in some extraction processes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid_extraction
I really doubt it had much to do with the type of bottle it was shipped in.
No, not that kind of organic.
By "organic solvents" I mean stuff like tetrachloroethylene, toluene, acetone, hexane, etc. These are liquids consisting of molecules that contain carbon. I'm not that good with chemistry anymore, but my recollection is that the nicotine in tobacco needs to be extracted with a non-polar solvent, meaning solvents like water or alcohol won't work, but something like benzene or toluene will. This is generally nasty stuff, but in principle, it should all be gone from the nicotine by the time you get it. Supercritical carbon dioxide is starting to displace those solvents in some extraction processes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid_extraction
Oops, sorry! Didn’t realize that you meant *that* organic.
I have heard people raving about super critical extraction with some herbal supplements, but didn’t consider nicotine.
Thanks for the help!
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I suspect you are already aware of this but just to be certain ... wait until the weather has cooled off before you order your nic. The brief transit won't necessarily 'ruin' the nicotine but it can cause it to oxidize prematurely which is something you obviously want to avoid if at all possible.
Thanks! You’re lucky that you have a small freezer for it. What brand of nic do you use, btw? Stay cool.
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Thanks! You’re lucky that you have a small freezer for it. What brand of nic do you use, btw? Stay cool.
Over the years I think I've bought from just about all of them, lol. I even had some from Box Elder if anyone remembers them. However, it was Rossum's Blind Test, of which I was a participant, that demonstrated to me how widely nicotine can vary from one brand to another. I thought the brand I had settled on at the time, Vaperstek, was sure to win out but I was wrong, even by my own, somewhat loose, standards. Honestly, before that, I didn't think my palate was discriminating enough to discern much of a difference. That test, making comparisons side by side, really opened my eyes.
I will say however, if you are mixing mainly tobacco flavors, really clean nic isn't a huge requirement, In fact you may actually prefer a 'dirtier' nic in that scenario. However, for other mixes like bakeries, fruits and custards, you want your nic as clean as possible so it doesn't distract from those flavors. I use my less than stellar nic for my tobacco mixes and save the good stuff for everything else. That works well for me.
I haven't had a chance to try Carolina Extracts yet but I'm thinking I might pick some up later this year. The reports I've seen so far have all been positive so naturally, now I want to see for myself. Thanks Rossum!
