Fewer people are smoking cigarettes, so state tax revenue is down. Now, Wisconsin will tax e-cigs.

Rhianne · Jul 18, 2019

The Cromwell said:
I can get Kratom with CC with one supplier.
although the charge is not to the actual Kratom company...

But yes I expect the same treatment with vape suppliers once the May date rolls around and most all vape stuff is banned from sale in the USA.

That is of course assuming no last minute reprieve...

I missed kratom, it seems. But I’m not in need of any pain meds now, thankfully. A year ago, after I tore something in my knee and was in really bad pain, I would’ve wanted to try it.
It’s like anything that helps ppl and isn’t BP is banned or made really hard to get. :growl:

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The Cromwell · Jul 18, 2019

Rhianne said:
If nicotine is banned for sale in DIY form, what’s going to happen? I don’t want to extract tobacco in my apartment. The kitchen is small for one person!!

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black market? but with any black market not all can access it.

With all the hype and lies about all the bad things nic does to humans I am kinda surprised that freebase nic above lets say 20 mg/ml has not been restricted for sale to licensed manufacturers and such..

I honestly do not expect the FDA to approve any juice with say around a 20mg/ml nic content.
Nic salt juice will likely be totally banned.

Just my paranoid thoughts though.

Rhianne · Jul 18, 2019

So, like TPD in the EU. I don’t understand how non vapers aren’t concerned in the least about the FDA regulating this. It’s like opening a door that may be very hard to close. Ironically Juul will be screwed over by all this, too with their salts.

How long can you store nic base again?

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The Cromwell · Jul 18, 2019

Rhianne said:
How long can you store nic base again?

I have been using some 4 yr old nic from my deep freeze. It is clear and fine.
Important though to store in glass with minimal airspace at the top of the bottle.
Air/oxygen in the bottle causes nic to degrade.
I split my liters of nic up into 120 ml glass bottles. That way as I use them there is less air in them than if I were doing it from larger containers.
I fear that plastic may leech into nic some over time...

The Cromwell · Jul 18, 2019

Rhianne said:
I missed kratom, it seems. But I’m not in need of any pain meds now, thankfully. A year ago, after I tore something in my knee and was in really bad pain, I would’ve wanted to try it.
It’s like anything that helps ppl and isn’t BP is banned or made really hard to get. :growl:

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For me I have had degenerative disc disease for 0ver 20 years. the pill heads messed up my being able to get opiates so I was taking up to 2 grams of naproxen a day and destroying my liver.
Then in the past few years I have developed arthritis in my feet...
So far getting old beats the alternative...

Kratom works pretty well. Not as good as opiates but better than naproxen and my liver bloodwork form a while back came back lots better than with the naproxen.

have a couple years worth worth of Kratom in my freezer too.
Prolly need to order more because it looks like it will only get harder to get in the not too distant future.

susieqz · Jul 18, 2019

kratom did nothing for my back pain, but adding it to cbd fixes me.
neither alone helps that.

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

Rhianne said:
If nicotine is banned for sale in DIY form, what’s going to happen? I don’t want to extract tobacco in my apartment. The kitchen is small for one person!!

DIY extraction of nicotine from tobacco is not something I personally consider feasible. It's far easier and cheaper to stock up now while it's still readily available.

Rhianne said:
How long can you store nic base again?

Properly stored, in glass bottles in a freezer, I'm confident it will remain fresh for decades. My most recent mix was with nic that's five years old and it's indistinguishable from brand new.

Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

The Cromwell said:
I have been using some 4 yr old nic from my deep freeze. It is clear and fine.
Important though to store in glass with minimal airspace at the top of the bottle.
Air/oxygen in the bottle causes nic to degrade.
I split my liters of nic up into 120 ml glass bottles. That way as I use them there is less air in them than if I were doing it from larger containers.
I fear that plastic may leech into nic some over time...

Sigh, my freezer is tiny. But if I end up putting nic base in it, I’ll only buy food I can use right away. So that’s a plus.
I’d worry about plastic, too. It definitely leaches into the contents. I like glass better, it’s just heavier.

Supposedly this is one of the hottest summers ever, so please be careful if you’re gonna mow or do stuff outside.

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Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

The Cromwell said:
For me I have had degenerative disc disease for 0ver 20 years. the pill heads messed up my being able to get opiates so I was taking up to 2 grams of naproxen a day and destroying my liver.
Then in the past few years I have developed arthritis in my feet...
So far getting old beats the alternative...

Kratom works pretty well. Not as good as opiates but better than naproxen and my liver bloodwork form a while back came back lots better than with the naproxen.

have a couple years worth worth of Kratom in my freezer too.
Prolly need to order more because it looks like it will only get harder to get in the not too distant future.

I hate it when the abusers screw up things for people who really need something. Yes, naproxen is good for pain but I’ve heard it was harmful. I’m glad your liver is getting better.
It’s sad that this boils down to BP profits, too. Plus doctors get kickbacks. The system needs fixing big time.

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Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
DIY extraction of nicotine from tobacco is not something I personally consider feasible. It's far easier and cheaper to stock up now while it's still readily available.

Properly stored, in glass bottles in a freezer, I'm confident it will remain fresh for decades. My most recent mix was with nic that's five years old and it's indistinguishable from brand new.

Well, that would be a horrible last case scenario with the tobacco! If it wasn’t 100 degrees here, I’d start buying now. I figure when it cools off, I can empty the freezer a bit and start stocking up.

I hate to be selfish and all, but I wish they’d waited with this for another fifty years or so...

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Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

Rhianne said:
If it wasn’t 100 degrees here, I’d start buying now. I figure when it cools off, I can empty the freezer a bit and start stocking up.

Good. I wouldn't order nic base in this weather either.

But we've been given notice. I will have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't stock up this winter and then cries that they missed the boat next after next May.

Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
Good. I wouldn't order nic base in this weather either.

But we've been given notice. I will have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't stock up this winter and then cries that they missed the boat next after next May.

I agree, there’s about 10 months to prepare. Even for me, that’s a good amount of time!

Careful with the heat, it’s getting pretty crazy!

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susieqz · Jul 19, 2019

i'm trying to get my sis into vaping.
this is gonna screw up people like her.
yeah, forum members will stock up but few others will.
i sure wish we had an NRA.

NGAHaze · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
I will have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't stock up this winter and then cries that they missed the boat next after next May.

I agree with this to an extent but I also realize there are others out there that aren't as fortunate as you and I. I finally got my cousin to try vaping and he likes it but with three kids and limited income, he isn't in a position to stock up. He is saving some money by not buying cigarettes any longer but then life happens and some unexpected expense pops up. He was already living paycheck to paycheck so budgeting for him is pretty much just deciding which bill gets paid this week. I help him out with equipment and juice but nowadays it's really difficult for single income families.

Additionally, if not for me, he wouldn't have a clue as to the impending doom ecigs are facing. He is simply vaping so he doesn't smoke and has zero interest in it beyond that. I think there are a lot of vapers that fall into that category. That isn't a valid excuse of course but it' is a real life situation for many I think.

Anyway, not disagreeing with you really, I just feel bad for all the people that could be helped by ecigs that are soon to have that door closed on them and for no good reason, it's just governmental overreach ad nauseam. I will be able to continue to help my cousin when the inevitable happens should he continue to vape but I fear the rest are just gonna be SOL and that, to me, is a real travesty.

The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

NGAHaze said:
I agree to this to an extent but I also realize there are others out there that aren't as fortunate as you and I. I finally got my cousin to try vaping and he likes it but with three kids and limited income, he isn't in a position to stock up. He is saving some money by not buying cigarettes any longer but then life happens and some unexpected expense pops up. He was already living paycheck to paycheck so budgeting for him is pretty much just deciding which bill gets paid this week. I help him out with equipment and juice but nowadays it's really difficult for single income families.

Additionally, if not for me, he wouldn't have a clue as to the impending doom ecigs are facing. He is simply vaping so he doesn't smoke and has zero interest in it beyond that. I think there are a lot of vapers that fall into that category. That isn't a valid excuse of course but it' is a real life situation for many I think.

Anyway, not disagreeing with you really, I just feel bad for all the people that could be helped by ecigs that are soon to have that door closed on them and for no good reason, it's just governmental overreach ad nauseam. I will be able to continue to help my cousin when the inevitable happens should he continue to vape but I fear the rest are just gonna be SOL and that, to me, is a real travesty.

Good post.

Think that the vast majority of vapers are not aware of the doom coming for vaping.
But many are in the same boat as your cousin and cannot do much anyway.

The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

I started prepping for the coming vapeapoclypse back in 2015 once I realized what was coming.
Not having much money and being a tightwad

I hit the clearance sales and such mostly. The older stuff works fine for me, was never much into shinyitis or chasing the latest and greatest thing.
I think the most I have paid for a mod was $45.
Most are in the $20 range.
Been daily using a Kbox Mini 50W for around 4 years now...
Still going strong. Well as strong as a 50W mod can go

Also been daily using a Pico Squeeze for well over a year.

susieqz · Jul 19, 2019

buying stuff that's new on the market is not smart.
when my sigelei sobras came out they were $72.
i buy them now at $25.

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
I will have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't stock up this winter and then cries that they missed the boat next after next May.

The me rephrase that: I will have no sympathy for anyone on these forums or who has otherwise been told what's coming.

NGAHaze said:
I finally got my cousin to try vaping and he likes it but with three kids and limited income, he isn't in a position to stock up.

Eh? A liter of nic base (that will last the average vaper 3-5 years) costs about the same as a carton of cigs (that would last the average smoker 10 days or less). Not buying (at least) a few liters while it's readily available and thereby risking going back to smoking, then spending that kind of money every week or 10 days going forward is the epitome of "penny wise, pound foolish".

susieqz · Jul 19, 2019

good you clarified that.
members of any vape forum will stock up but we are a minority.
most others probably don't know what may happen.

Artemis · Jul 19, 2019

I have nic from 2010 (Dec) and its still clear. I might have about 3L of it now (I think). Looks like I might need to buy a few more liters of nic this fall/winter. I'll probably need to buy some decent mods as well. Years ago, folks were building their own mods. I do have stuff to build coils but I still suck at it. I guess I will quit vaping when I no longer have access or the money to pay for it.

susieqz · Jul 19, 2019

how long does a liter last you?

The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

Artemis said:
I have nic from 2010 (Dec) and its still clear. I might have about 3L of it now (I think). Looks like I might need to buy a few more liters of nic this fall/winter. I'll probably need to buy some decent mods as well. Years ago, folks were building their own mods. I do have stuff to build coils but I still suck at it. I guess I will quit vaping when I no longer have access or the money to pay for it.

For at least simple round wire builds I am sure that someone on here would be happy to build coils for you with no more than a shipping cost charge.
I would have no problems doing that for you.

We might have to move to another communications medium though.
I am concerned for the long term viability of vape boards if the FDA does their worst...

Artemis · Jul 19, 2019

The Cromwell said:
For at least simple round wire builds I am sure that someone on here would be happy to build coils for you with no more than a shipping cost charge.
I would have no problems doing that for you.

We might have to move to another communications medium though.
I am concerned for the long term viability of vape boards if the FDA does their worst...

Thanks Cromwell!
I thought about the FDA monitoring these forums or gaining info. One never knows!

susieqz said:
how long does a liter last you?

I really have no idea. I know a 240mL bottle usually last 5-6 months but I mix for my brother and sister in law.
I was down to 2mg/mL but had to bump up to 5mg/mL-10mg/mL for work because everyone there smokes cigs.

The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

Artemis said:
thought about the FDA monitoring these forums or gaining info. One never knows!

Actually the FDA likely already monitors vape boards.
There are not that many of them.

And yes if the worst happens they will monitor vape boards for black market activity in vape products..
But my first though was about the loss of vape ad revenue...

Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

The Cromwell said:
I started prepping for the coming vapeapoclypse back in 2015 once I realized what was coming.
Not having much money and being a tightwad
I hit the clearance sales and such mostly. The older stuff works fine for me, was never much into shinyitis or chasing the latest and greatest thing.
I think the most I have paid for a mod was $45.
Most are in the $20 range.
Been daily using a Kbox Mini 50W for around 4 years now...
Still going strong. Well as strong as a 50W mod can go
Also been daily using a Pico Squeeze for well over a year.

You being a tightwad is what we like about you, Cromwell!!

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Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
The me rephrase that: I will have no sympathy for anyone on these forums or who has otherwise been told what's coming.

Eh? A liter of nic base (that will last the average vaper 3-5 years) costs about the same as a carton of cigs (that would last the average smoker 10 days or less). Not buying (at least) a few liters while it's readily available and thereby risking going back to smoking, then spending that kind of money every week or 10 days going forward is the epitome of "penny wise, pound foolish".

But unless Haze mixes for him, he’ll be screwed with the bans. However, I do expect you to be a hard ass, and I think it’s one of your good qualities.

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Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

The Cromwell said:
Actually the FDA likely already monitors vape boards.
There are not that many of them.

And yes if the worst happens they will monitor vape boards for black market activity in vape products..
But my first though was about the loss of vape ad revenue...

Good point about the ads, I never thought of that.

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NGAHaze · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
Eh? A liter of nic base (that will last the average vaper 3-5 years) costs about the same as a carton of cigs (that would last the average smoker 10 days or less). Not buying (at least) a few liters while it's readily available and thereby risking going back to smoking, then spending that kind of money every week or 10 days going forward is the epitome of "penny wise, pound foolish".

True but that's only part of the equation. I know you enjoy unflavored ejuice but my guess is that you are in the minority in that respect, especially as it pertains to relatively new vapers. I have a fairly significant amount of flavoring and yet frequently, I still see recipes posted that I am unable to mix because I'm missing one or more ingredients. More specific to my cousin, he isn't comfortable having FB nicotine in the house with 3 young children. I can't fault him for that even if I don't necessarily share his concern. You and I know mixing ejuice for yourself isn't that big a deal but to him and I'm sure many others, it seems like a daunting task.

But much ado about nothing I suppose since you clarified your comment further.

susieqz · Jul 19, 2019

diy isn't fun for most of us but it can be done.
i find it as much fun as cleaning bathrooms, but i do it.
if we lose the forums we fragment n all is lost/
yeah. the govt monitors forums but we need them.

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

Rhianne said:
Good point about the ads, I never thought of that.

susieqz said:
if we lose the forums we fragment n all is lost/

I know a guy who has the means to run a forum without ad revenue, and is ornery enough that he would do so just to spite the FDA.

The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

As I have said before if it comes down to it I would increase my donations to keep VU alive.

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

NGAHaze said:
True but that's only part of the equation.

Nic is the most important part. If it were to become necessary, I'd happily mix for others who don't feel comfortable doing themselves, but only if they supply their own nic.

NGAHaze said:
I know you enjoy unflavored ejuice but my guess is that you are in the minority in that respect, especially as it pertains to relatively new vapers.

I don't use unflavored exclusively.

Yes, new vapers are going to be in a bind. But the people I'm talking about here are existing vapers who've heard what's likely coming, who are doing nothing to prepare.

NGAHaze said:
I have a fairly significant amount of flavoring and yet frequently, I still see recipes posted that I am unable to mix because I'm missing one or more ingredients.

I do not think that food flavorings are going anywhere. Nic is the obvious choke-point for DIY and e-juice made for an "informal" market.

NGAHaze said:
More specific to my cousin, he isn't comfortable having FB nicotine in the house with 3 young children. I can't fault him for that even if I don't necessarily share his concern.

I'm only speculating, but to me it sounds like he's making excuses and would be happy enough to have an excuse to go back to smoking.

Bottom line: Any existing vaper who really wants to be sure he or she can continue to vape indefinitely should still able to do before next May, and can do it without spending more than a cigarette habit costs. But it's kinda like quitting smoking in the first place; you have to want to.

The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
I do not think that food flavorings are going anywhere. Nic is the obvious choke-point for DIY and e-juice made for an "informal" market.

Nope Cap and such are safe but the ones what have vape in their name or marketed by the manufacturer as for use in vape may well have problems.
If the worst comes down even wire and cotton marketed as vape products will be zinged I expect.

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

The Cromwell said:
Nope Cap and such are safe but the ones what have vape in their name or marketed by the manufacturer as for use in vape may well have problems.
If the worst comes down even wire and cotton marketed as vape products will be zinged I expect.

Agreed. Marketing things that have other uses as vape products would be a mistake at this point. Some companies came to that conclusion several years ago already. But I'm reasonably confident PG, VG, flavorings, wire, and wicking will remain available.

Personally, I'm more worried about loose li-ion batteries. They're not under the FDA's purview, but I could see someone like the CPSC deciding they're too dangerous to be sold to the public. That wouldn't be the end of the world; we could still harvest them out of power-tool battery packs, but getting the spot-welded tabs off cleanly will be a PITA.

Artemis · Jul 19, 2019

If I had children I would still have nicotine. Locked boxes in freezers do exist somewhere. Amazon and walmart. Many different variations.

NGAHaze · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
Nic is the most important part. If it were to become necessary, I'd happily mix for others who don't feel comfortable doing themselves, but only if they supply their own nic.

No argument here although I'm not adverse to supplying the nic too provided I have the means to do so.

Rossum said:
Yes, new vapers are going to be in a bind. But the people I'm talking about here are existing vapers who've heard what's likely coming, who are doing nothing to prepare.

Right, but to me at least, that distinction wasn't readily apparent in your original post.

Rossum said:
I do not think that food flavorings are going anywhere. Nic is the obvious choke-point for DIY and e-juice made for an "informal" market.

I agree, I don't see those being easily targeted. However, my comment about flavorings was in regards to the costs associated in obtaining them but I can see how that may not have been clear. Just recently I saw someone complaining about spending over 200$ CAD ( on PG, VG and twenty odd ( 25 iIIRC ) flavors and still not being able to mix anything decent.

Rossum said:
I'm only speculating, but to me it sounds like he's making excuses and would be happy enough to have an excuse to go back to smoking.

Perhaps but I still recall the apprehension that I had originally when acquiring and using FB nicotine despite the almost decade that has gone by since. I wonder if I would have reconsidered doing so if I had three rambunctious youngsters running amuck ... can't say for sure but I am certain it would have given me pause at the very least.

Rossum said:
Bottom line: Any existing vaper who really wants to be sure he or she can continue to vape indefinitely should still able to do before next May, and can do it without spending more than a cigarette habit costs. But it's kinda like quitting smoking in the first place; you have to want to.

Hard Ass!

Only teasin' lol. It's cool, we see things a little differently on this subject but I still like you and respect your opinion. I just don't see it being as cut and dried as you do. :cheers:

Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
Agreed. Marketing things that have other uses as vape products would be a mistake at this point. Some companies came to that conclusion several years ago already. But I'm reasonably confident PG, VG, flavorings, wire, and wicking will remain available.

Personally, I'm more worried about loose li-ion batteries. They're not under the FDA's purview, but I could see someone like the CPSC deciding they're too dangerous to be sold to the public. That wouldn't be the end of the world; we could still harvest them out of power-tool battery packs, but getting the spot-welded tabs off cleanly will be a PITA.

This can turn into a bad movie of the week. Once it’s cooler here, I’ll be getting nic base, even if it sits waiting for freezer space. I do not fancy a forced nic detox courtesy of the govt.

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The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

NGAHaze said:
I agree, I don't see those being easily targeted. However, my comment about flavorings was in regards to the costs associated in obtaining them but I can see how that may not have been clear. Just recently I saw someone complaining about spending over 200$ CAD ( on PG, VG and twenty odd ( 25 iIIRC ) flavors and still not being able to mix anything decent.

Yep.
having some flavors and such does not mean you have the right flavors for a recipe you want to try.
And this is very common with beginning DIY'ers.
Some flavorings are horrible to some.
Some do not like mint, doughnut, PB and such flavors, etc.
always buy a small size of the flavoring to try it.
If you like it get a bigger bottle.

I suppose I bought 150 different flavorings and have wound up using maybe 10-15 different ones?
Piffed some, tossed some and still have at least 60 in the deep freeze.

Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Artemis said:
If I had children I would still have nicotine. Locked boxes in freezers do exist somewhere. Amazon and walmart. Many different variations.

Yes, that was a bit off putting as an excuse. He’s got someone there to show him how to diy, too. I don’t want to be that person if SHTF with Deeming etc.

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The Cromwell · Jul 19, 2019

with all the flavorings I bought over a couple of years it was still no more than 2 months of costs with smoking cigs.
And now that I have settled on a few mixes my monthly costs have been around 10 dollars per month this year and that includes 3 mods I bought.
I figure even figuring in amortization costs of batteries, diy supplies, etc I only spend around $10/mo on an ongoing basis.
And to get here I spent usually 1/4 of my smoking costs building up my hardware stash and such.
Now I am set with hardware and nicotine for the rest of my life in around 4 years.

NGAHaze · Jul 19, 2019

Rhianne said:
Yes, that was a bit off putting as an excuse. He’s got someone there to show him how to diy, too. I don’t want to be that person if SHTF with Deeming etc.

Well, not exactly; assuming you are referring to my cousin. I'm not in the same state, in fact I'm several states away but yeah, it could still be accomplished. Those storage containers are nice provided you have the freezer space. I had to buy a dedicated freezer for my nic supply because I just didn't have the space to store it in my regular one.

Artemis · Jul 19, 2019

Rhianne said:
Yes, that was a bit off putting as an excuse. He’s got someone there to show him how to diy, too. I don’t want to be that person if SHTF with Deeming etc.

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I hate to mix but do it. I've been at it since Dec 2010. Good enough only for family and myself. I'm fussy at times and have dumped numerous mixes down the drain. For myself: I would be happy with tobacco flavors forever. I mix sweets and fruits for the family (Bro & SIL). I even thought about going plain. No flavorings.

To reply: not everyone cares to mix. It can be daunting even for someone like me. I have spent a lot of wasted time/money chasing the latest/greatest flavors. My favorite mix is at 1% a cuban cigar absolute from Inawera. Simple is my passion.

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

Rhianne said:
This can turn into a bad movie of the week. Once it’s cooler here, I’ll be getting nic base, even if it sits waiting for freezer space.

Do you have space in the fridge? I really must advise against storing nic base at room temperature. If you haven't seen my thread about this over on ECF, you should probably have a look:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/nic-base-storage-freezer-vs-room-temp-experiment.791603/

Rossum · Jul 19, 2019

NGAHaze said:
Hard Ass!

Tough love. It seems to have worked with my kids.

Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

NGAHaze said:
Well, not exactly; assuming you are referring to my cousin. I'm not in the same state, in fact I'm several states away but yeah, it could still be accomplished. Those storage containers are nice provided you have the freezer space. I had to buy a dedicated freezer for my nic supply because I just didn't have the space to store it in my regular one.

Sorry, I didn’t know he was in another state. But if he doesn’t keep up with vaping stuff, he may easily go back to smoking if there’s a ban or whatever.
My teeny freezer is full of meat now, and I’ve got no room for anything in it. I’m gonna have to buy nic and keep it someplace until I have some space for it. You’re lucky to have the room for a nic stash freezer.

I’m sorry if I sounded harsh, we don’t have kids now. I’d probably lock it up like prescription meds, if I had to. I’m not sure if kids would be attracted, but you never know.

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Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Artemis said:
I hate to mix but do it. I've been at it since Dec 2010. Good enough only for family and myself. I'm fussy at times and have dumped numerous mixes down the drain. For myself: I would be happy with tobacco flavors forever. I mix sweets and fruits for the family (Bro & SIL). I even thought about going plain. No flavorings.

To reply: not everyone cares to mix. It can be daunting even for someone like me. I have spent a lot of wasted time/money chasing the latest/greatest flavors. My favorite mix is at 1% a cuban cigar absolute from Inawera. Simple is my passion.

I love tobacco flavors, too. I have some unflavored juice at 6mg, like five 120mls, but I haven’t vaped any of them. I’m saving them in case I get a good one shot to start with. I’m finally comfortable with my gear, but haven’t ever mixed. Except for tobacco flavored juice with other flavors in my tanks. Not sure it counts, though!!

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Rhianne · Jul 19, 2019

Rossum said:
Do you have space in the fridge? I really must advise against storing nic base at room temperature. If you haven't seen my thread about this over on ECF, you should probably have a look:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/nic-base-storage-freezer-vs-room-temp-experiment.791603/

I can make space. I think I remember reading part of that thread. The kitchen we have is for Smurfs, it’s so teeny!

Thanks, I’ll start looking around at nic and see what’s available. I’ve seen the Palm VG I want, which is USP and edible, I think. They have 2oz bottles for cheap, so I’ll try it.

Stay cool! :wave:

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