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Ok so my google-fu has failed me. This isn't about adding food coloring to juice, some flavors have a natural tint to them from the concentrate. Is there any sort of list or way to find out what hue/tint particular flavorings are? Like 'LA Banana Cream - clear', 'TFA Banana Ripe - light yellow' or that sort of thing.

The reason I ask there are a couple of commercial ejuice flavors I'm trying to get close to. As it turns out both have a color other than clear. One is a 'banana cream' and the banana cream and banana ripe I have are both clear. Any of the various cream flavorings I have are clear. I do believe there are other flavors mixed in like possibly some faint apple or strawberry that aren't listed by the company. In any case, something in that mix turns the juice a golden yellow almost like mountain dew soda and they don't add coloring to their juice. Out of the like 20 something 'banana' flavorings out there, if there's one known to turn juice yellow because of the flavoring tint it may help me narrow it down. It could also be the strawberry or something else, just because bananas are yellow doesn't mean it's the flavoring causing the color.

Another is described as just 'cotton candy' but again the cotton candy's I have are clear. FLV cotton candy and TFA cotton candy (not circus), neither turn color when steeping. The stuff I get commercially has a faint pinkish tinge to it that darkens to a more distinct reddish pink over time. If there's a cotton candy or vanilla flavoring maybe or some other sweet flavoring (obviously mild since c.c. is such a light flavor to begin with) I might be able to narrow it down and get on the right track.
 

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It's not about adding food coloring and the juice I buy the company isn't adding food coloring to it. Many of their juices are clear or the typical amber color from vanillas or other things. My point being, out of dozens and dozens of flavorings out there from TFA, FA, CAP etc, some of them have a tint out of the bottle of flavoring. If there's 40 banana flavorings and only two of which are yellow tinged well then I may have eliminated trying 38 other banana flavors. Or if I feel like I'm tasting a hint of strawberry in it or maybe even a mystery flavor and it's like well there's only 8 or so flavorings total out on the market that are yellow tinted - good chance one of those I didn't think of are in the juice I'm trying to replicate.
 

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I think that juice companys have sources of flavorings that DIY types do not have access to or are not aware of.
For instance virtually no DIY'ers know about Flavorconcentrates.com.

they have an outstanding Blueberry and true to taste strawberry and Banana.
both require more steep time than artificial flavorings and a higher flavoring percentage but true flavor an nothing artificial added.
 

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I could care less whether my juice comes out yellow, clear, amber or purple. The desire isn't to make my juice yellow, my desire is to find out what they're using that's turning theirs yellow. When my attempts come out a different color I know I'm not using the same ingredients they are. That's my only focus on the color.
 

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I think that juice companys have sources of flavorings that DIY types do not have access to or are not aware of.
For instance virtually no DIY'ers know about Flavorconcentrates.com.

they have an outstanding Blueberry and true to taste strawberry and Banana.
both require more steep time than artificial flavorings and a higher flavoring percentage but true flavor an nothing artificial added.
True.. and I know some are even able to have custom blends made that aren't available on the market, true proprietary flavors. In that case they'd never be able to be replicated.
 

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I know some places like nic river as an example list details. They tell what chemicals are in them, flash points and all that good stuff. Be nice if they included something like 'appearance - clear' or 'appearance - light yellow' or if certain flavors were known to shift to a color after some time. If there was a database for it, a way to look it up. The particular juice in question is made somewhat fresh, I think it's more made recently than right before bottling when ordered. But it doesn't change color after a month or so, not like some that may start out light amber and shift to dark amber with vanillas. Which leads me to believe that whatever's causing the color, it's coming out of the flavoring that way from the jump.
 

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Some do but this company doesn't. So it's got to be flavoring related. Yellow or even mild pinks aren't out of the ordinary. Not like heisenberg where it's like neon koolaid blue or space jam where it's the sort of green that looks like a blacklight would set it off.
 

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I have noticed that some flavorings gain that amber ot yellow tint when aged with nicotine but if nic free do not.
 

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Ok so my google-fu has failed me. This isn't about adding food coloring to juice, some flavors have a natural tint to them from the concentrate. Is there any sort of list or way to find out what hue/tint particular flavorings are? Like 'LA Banana Cream - clear', 'TFA Banana Ripe - light yellow' or that sort of thing.

The reason I ask there are a couple of commercial ejuice flavors I'm trying to get close to. As it turns out both have a color other than clear. One is a 'banana cream' and the banana cream and banana ripe I have are both clear. Any of the various cream flavorings I have are clear. I do believe there are other flavors mixed in like possibly some faint apple or strawberry that aren't listed by the company. In any case, something in that mix turns the juice a golden yellow almost like mountain dew soda and they don't add coloring to their juice. Out of the like 20 something 'banana' flavorings out there, if there's one known to turn juice yellow because of the flavoring tint it may help me narrow it down. It could also be the strawberry or something else, just because bananas are yellow doesn't mean it's the flavoring causing the color.

Another is described as just 'cotton candy' but again the cotton candy's I have are clear. FLV cotton candy and TFA cotton candy (not circus), neither turn color when steeping. The stuff I get commercially has a faint pinkish tinge to it that darkens to a more distinct reddish pink over time. If there's a cotton candy or vanilla flavoring maybe or some other sweet flavoring (obviously mild since c.c. is such a light flavor to begin with) I might be able to narrow it down and get on the right track.

Banana's normally always turn a light yellow to a golden hue, even without nic.. unless other compounds in the lab are added in. (Flavorah)
The pinkish red to me sounds like either flavor west or mount baker's flavors (both are fw flavors), or it come come from a lab source.
I know flv peppermint doesn't turn pink or red.. As things steep too, color changes happen..
So yes you have something there on color.. but an actual juice name might help too.
 
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Vanilla custard tends to turn amber with steeping.
However 1 drop on CAP VC V1 in a 30 ML bottle of 100 MG nic will turn the entire bottle pink.
Mixed up my syringes once and found that out.

I think there is more chemistry going on here than we realize.
Not sure if Vanilla whipped cream will do the same or not.
Not eager to mess up 30 ml of nic again :)
 

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Both are vapewild flavors. They do use sweeteners but not artificial colorings. Wrecking ball is a banana cream but from some taste testing on my knuckle got a hint of strawberry. Description aside I know there's other flavors in it. The banana is very mild and the strawberry may be to adjust some flavors or bring out other notes. On the exhale there's something there, either berry or mild apple or something. Some people have said it tastes like banana candy to them, if it is it's used in real moderation. I can't stand runts or banana candies. At least I don't pick that up.

The other is their cotton candy flavor, just a plain cotton candy. Not berry cotton candy or blue raz cotton candy. I haven't been able to get close using either flv cotton candy or tfa cotton candy (which I believe is 10% em). Many suggest using em for cotton candy flavor but it's just lacking. Using em alone (tfa cotton candy) it tastes sweet but flavorless kind of like just plain sugar or something. It doesn't have the cotton candy body/flavor of like caramelized sugar.

They say flavors are made up fresh to order which I'm skeptical about. Freshly bottled maybe but I doubt they're whipping up 30-60ml at a time per each order. They are fresher batches as they need steeping compared to most other commercial juices. The banana juice pops out of the mail bright ass yellow and stays that color, doesn't really get darker with age. Bottles 3mo old look the same as they do from the mail. It's not a tinge, it's a full on yellow.

The cotton candy comes out of the mail a faint pink and does darken a little to a deeper but still translucent pink. Even at just 1.5mg nic. Neither cotton candy I tried turned pink. Here's a pic but the cotton candy on the right has steeped awhile so it's quite a bit darker almost a reddish pink. Fresh it's a much lighter pink. The banana one arrives that color and stays that color which leads me to believe one of the flavorings is responsible. I've got diy cotton candy I've made using the two flavorings I've got and they stay clear.
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I may be onto something with the cotton candy and why it doesn't taste like much. May also explain the light pink color that deepens with age. I've noticed that happens a lot with vanilla. True cotton candy as a food item is flavored, it's not just pure sugar. Apparently while the blue is blue raspberry, the pink as it turns out is vanilla. Supposedly Gold Medal was the original brand of cotton candy flavoring in the US and those were the two original flavors. So when replicating cc as a vape, might help to put just a light touch of vanilla in it. It's difficult for diy'ers especially since cotton candy already isn't an overly popular flavor on it's own. What few give advice say it's just 10% em. It's true that em is used in actual cotton candy but there are other things like vanillin or ethyl vanillin which may explain why em alone tastes kind of flat or like watered down cotton candy.
 

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I am currently experimenting with making a Naturally Extracted Mint flavor and it has taken on a nice green tint because of the leaves. This picture is from Sunday and it has gotten a little darker.

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Both are vapewild flavors. They do use sweeteners but not artificial colorings. Wrecking ball is a banana cream but from some taste testing on my knuckle got a hint of strawberry. Description aside I know there's other flavors in it. The banana is very mild and the strawberry may be to adjust some flavors or bring out other notes. On the exhale there's something there, either berry or mild apple or something. Some people have said it tastes like banana candy to them, if it is it's used in real moderation. I can't stand runts or banana candies. At least I don't pick that up.

The other is their cotton candy flavor, just a plain cotton candy. Not berry cotton candy or blue raz cotton candy. I haven't been able to get close using either flv cotton candy or tfa cotton candy (which I believe is 10% em). Many suggest using em for cotton candy flavor but it's just lacking. Using em alone (tfa cotton candy) it tastes sweet but flavorless kind of like just plain sugar or something. It doesn't have the cotton candy body/flavor of like caramelized sugar.

They say flavors are made up fresh to order which I'm skeptical about. Freshly bottled maybe but I doubt they're whipping up 30-60ml at a time per each order. They are fresher batches as they need steeping compared to most other commercial juices. The banana juice pops out of the mail bright ass yellow and stays that color, doesn't really get darker with age. Bottles 3mo old look the same as they do from the mail. It's not a tinge, it's a full on yellow.

The cotton candy comes out of the mail a faint pink and does darken a little to a deeper but still translucent pink. Even at just 1.5mg nic. Neither cotton candy I tried turned pink. Here's a pic but the cotton candy on the right has steeped awhile so it's quite a bit darker almost a reddish pink. Fresh it's a much lighter pink. The banana one arrives that color and stays that color which leads me to believe one of the flavorings is responsible. I've got diy cotton candy I've made using the two flavorings I've got and they stay clear.
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I may be onto something with the cotton candy and why it doesn't taste like much. May also explain the light pink color that deepens with age. I've noticed that happens a lot with vanilla. True cotton candy as a food item is flavored, it's not just pure sugar. Apparently while the blue is blue raspberry, the pink as it turns out is vanilla. Supposedly Gold Medal was the original brand of cotton candy flavoring in the US and those were the two original flavors. So when replicating cc as a vape, might help to put just a light touch of vanilla in it. It's difficult for diy'ers especially since cotton candy already isn't an overly popular flavor on it's own. What few give advice say it's just 10% em. It's true that em is used in actual cotton candy but there are other things like vanillin or ethyl vanillin which may explain why em alone tastes kind of flat or like watered down cotton candy.


I'd def think lorann and flavor west.. after all, vape wild is not exactly top shelf liquid.. ;)
 

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I am currently experimenting with making a Naturally Extracted Mint flavor and it has taken on a nice green tint because of the leaves. This picture is from Sunday and it has gotten a little darker.

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Yummy chlorophyll!! :p
 

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Might try some CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream in the Cotton Candy.
The VWC is kind of a Cool whip flavoring... Should work ok.
 

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While cutting a bush on Saturday I stepped on a Mint Plant and it smelled so good I decided to try this. When you do a NET it turns brown doesn't it?


Sometimes.. depends on what you have as a net. sometimes it can be green or yellow. just depends and depends if it is in fact a net or a tincture..
anything plant wise.... tobaccos, herbs.. it will always have chlorophyl, nature of the beast..
did you know chlorophyl stops bad breath? :p
 

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Sometimes.. depends on what you have as a net. sometimes it can be green or yellow. just depends and depends if it is in fact a net or a tincture..
anything plant wise.... tobaccos, herbs.. it will always have chlorophyl, nature of the beast..
did you know chlorophyl stops bad breath? :p

No, I didn't but so does brushing your teeth~! This little experiment is smelling so nice I am dying to try it but I know the longer I leave it to steep the better. I know using these leaves in an Iced tea doesn't require long for the taste basically drop it in and drink.

Hey~! I am actually steeping and e-Liquid Concentrated Flavoring~! Now the big question is what to mix it with and how much to actually use. I think it is time to break out and RDA for testing..........
 

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No, I didn't but so does brushing your teeth~! This little experiment is smelling so nice I am dying to try it but I know the longer I leave it to steep the better. I know using these leaves in an Iced tea doesn't require long for the taste basically drop it in and drink.

Hey~! I am actually steeping and e-Liquid Concentrated Flavoring~! Now the big question is what to mix it with and how much to actually use. I think it is time to break out and RDA for testing..........


There is a reason why there are concentrates for us all to use.. be safe.
call up any of the resellers and ask them about this project, Steve...
 

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I'd def think lorann and flavor west.. after all, vape wild is not exactly top shelf liquid.. ;)
No but I've also tasted 'top shelf' juice that tasted like burnt frumunda cheese. What makes it 'top shelf' is gimmick and packaging. Using quality flavorings, even flavorah which tends to be somewhat pricier it costs around $1/30ml. Not more than $1.50/30ml. That's buying in low quantities which we all know isn't very economical. Buying flavoring by the gallon and vg/pg by the 55gal drum drops that cost significantly, so my costs (also retail, not wholesale) are a worst case scenario. The only reason 'premium' juice costs $15+/30ml is wallet rape. That and things like a bottle with a foil full color label placed in a windowed box with more multicolor foil crap. I'd bet dollars to donuts shit like the box halo juice comes in for example, cost them more than the juice itself. I can't vape the box.

Much like wine tasting tests that have been done numerous times among 'connoisseurs' and others in the industry given a bottle of wine with a cheap 'house' label and one with a 'premium' label. They overwhelmingly say that the fancier bottle is the 'premium' wine and turns out, same damn wine. Gimmick and power of suggestion. Just like it's well known in marketing circles, higher priced products tend to be more desirable because people assume price=quality. Some things are artificially inflated purposely to give that perception and can improve sales.
 

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There is a reason why there are concentrates for us all to use.. be safe.
call up any of the resellers and ask them about this project, Steve...

I never thought of calling a retailer about this to be honest because why would they say anything other then don't do it or vape it? I can easily check for Oils by putting drop in water if that is a concern you have. Making me think though about calling.
 

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higher priced products tend to be more desirable because people assume price=quality. Some things are artificially inflated purposely to give that perception and can improve sales.
Absolutely.
One often does not get what they pay for.
Aside from their bragging rights of paying too much for something,
 

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There is a reason why there are concentrates for us all to use.. be safe.
call up any of the resellers and ask them about this project, Steve...

Actually I think you are over reacting a bit because I seriously doubt anything I make from Natural Ingredients could or would be more harmful than something I buy from a retailer who has NO Regulations to follow. Do you you think the NET's people make are any safer tan my little experiment? I have been vaping long enough to know how a coil or cartridge that went bad affects me to know if what I made from something I grew was not agreeing with me.
 

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Since there was so much Chicken Little Crommy Concern over my experiment. I decided to try my Naturally Extracted Mint before it has even had 5 days to "Steep" and although this is a BIAS opinion, damn is this freaking AWESOME! Amazing flavor and so smooth I am in AWE. Now tomorrow I will be picking more to make myself a really big bottle~! Now to figure out what fruit with go perfectly with this MINT Flavor.
 

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Update: Vaping the Mint Extract all night mixed in a tank of Ecstacy. Lovely taste and no sore throat or irritation. Looks like my experiment is a success.
 

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Various things at play for colors, not including artificial coloring (which any commercial eliquid manufacturer can easily lie about)

Some or all of these could be in effect in any mixed eliquid that isn't clear.

Oxidation. Nicotine oxidation makes things dark. But this can also apply to the chemicals in some concentrates, causing them to darken with age. Vanilla based eliquids are a good example of this. Let them steep and they darken as the flavor grows stronger.

Chemical Reaction. Mixing different concentrates can cause a chemical reaction that results a change in color. This can result in a wide range of subtle colors, yellow is a common outcome. This can also include adding nicotine. FW Cranberry is almost clear, mix an eliquid with it and it will be clear (if everything else was also clear). But the mix turns bright yellow once you add nicotine because it reacts with a chemical used in FW Cranberry.

FW Cranberry without nicotine (left), and with nicotine (right)
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Tannins are the main cause of a brown color. Tannins are microscopic organic particles found in plants. Coffee and Chocolate are the best examples of this. Their high tannin content is what gives them their dark color and makes them bitter. Tobaccos are another one that can have a high tannin content. Extracts containing natural ingredients will also include the tannins from those natural sources and generally speaking the darker the concentrate the more tannins it has. Clear versions are either made entirely artificially or somehow have the tannins removed.

FA Coca left sitting will have a lot of the Tannins settle to the bottom of the bottle.
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Ok so my google-fu has failed me. This isn't about adding food coloring to juice, some flavors have a natural tint to them from the concentrate. Is there any sort of list or way to find out what hue/tint particular flavorings are? Like 'LA Banana Cream - clear', 'TFA Banana Ripe - light yellow' or that sort of thing.

The reason I ask there are a couple of commercial ejuice flavors I'm trying to get close to. As it turns out both have a color other than clear. One is a 'banana cream' and the banana cream and banana ripe I have are both clear. Any of the various cream flavorings I have are clear. I do believe there are other flavors mixed in like possibly some faint apple or strawberry that aren't listed by the company. In any case, something in that mix turns the juice a golden yellow almost like mountain dew soda and they don't add coloring to their juice. Out of the like 20 something 'banana' flavorings out there, if there's one known to turn juice yellow because of the flavoring tint it may help me narrow it down. It could also be the strawberry or something else, just because bananas are yellow doesn't mean it's the flavoring causing the color.

Another is described as just 'cotton candy' but again the cotton candy's I have are clear. FLV cotton candy and TFA cotton candy (not circus), neither turn color when steeping. The stuff I get commercially has a faint pinkish tinge to it that darkens to a more distinct reddish pink over time. If there's a cotton candy or vanilla flavoring maybe or some other sweet flavoring (obviously mild since c.c. is such a light flavor to begin with) I might be able to narrow it down and get on the right track.
Caps VBIC can turn a slight pinkish hue after a bit of steeping.

Strawberry can definitely do the yellow thing. I have a juice that I think matches your Mountain Dew color.....it’s a strawberry margarita mix. It uses Caps Sweet Strawberry, which is clear, but may react with the other flavors in the mix(Caps Lemon Lime, FW Margarita and super sweet). But then I have a kiwi strawberry taffy.....the Caps Strawberry Taffy is actually pink colored.....that is almost clear. I also have a coconut banana caramel that has TFA Banana Cream and WF Banana Purée and it’s also almost clear.

So, my theory is......it’s a combo thing. Some flavors react with other flavors. That’s the only thing to me that makes sense.
 

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No, I didn't but so does brushing your teeth~! This little experiment is smelling so nice I am dying to try it but I know the longer I leave it to steep the better. I know using these leaves in an Iced tea doesn't require long for the taste basically drop it in and drink.

Hey~! I am actually steeping and e-Liquid Concentrated Flavoring~! Now the big question is what to mix it with and how much to actually use. I think it is time to break out and RDA for testing..........

I just made a Butter Mint milkshake that’s to die for.

Also mint is great with Vanilla Swirl plus white and dark chocolates.

Oh, and mixed berries too!
 
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Yes, I understand that. I'm familiar with it, used to grow it for my dad's iced tea.

Did you ever vape it? I did after so many of the Chicken Little The Sky Is Falling assholes made such a big shit out of it.Best flavoring I ever had IMHO. :vino:
 

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Did you ever vape it? I did after so many of the Chicken Little The Sky Is Falling assholes made such a big shit out of it.Best flavoring I ever had IMHO. :vino:

No, haven't vaped it, but I don't see the harm of that if you've steeped it in PG. Can't imagine how natural flavors would be prepared for vaping except by steeping either in alcohol or PG.

I thought you were looking for ideas of how to use it, so that's why I posted.
 

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I have steeped some herbs, basil and rosemary. Did this separately. The basil was nice liquorice flavor. I just could not think of what to mix it with. The rosemary had a somewhat bitter pine taste. I keep the basil net in the fridge waiting for a flavour inspiration. Any ideas?? I will definitely try the mint. Flavour combiinations are almost endless..
 

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Maybe start your own thread for opinions on that part, Steve, since this one was started by someone looking for specific info on another flavoring. Maybe someone else has tried it.
 

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I have steeped some herbs, basil and rosemary. Did this separately. The basil was nice liquorice flavor. I just could not think of what to mix it with. The rosemary had a somewhat bitter pine taste. I keep the basil net in the fridge waiting for a flavour inspiration. Any ideas?? I will definitely try the mint. Flavour combiinations are almost endless..

I have had that Basil idea running in my head for a while now.


Maybe start your own thread for opinions on that part, Steve, since this one was started by someone looking for specific info on another flavoring. Maybe someone else has tried it.

Since the OP doesn't mind why do you?
 

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Jesus.

Was simply a suggestion, Steve, no need to take offense to another post in the forum. People get drawn to topics of interest, and extraction threads are very few around here. Besides, I didn't realize that Synphul had expressed that open invitation.

Now that I've shared my helpful idea, I'll refrain from further derailing Synphul's thread.

Toodles.
 

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Caps VBIC can turn a slight pinkish hue after a bit of steeping.

Strawberry can definitely do the yellow thing. I have a juice that I think matches your Mountain Dew color.....it’s a strawberry margarita mix. It uses Caps Sweet Strawberry, which is clear, but may react with the other flavors in the mix(Caps Lemon Lime, FW Margarita and super sweet). But then I have a kiwi strawberry taffy.....the Caps Strawberry Taffy is actually pink colored.....that is almost clear. I also have a coconut banana caramel that has TFA Banana Cream and WF Banana Purée and it’s also almost clear.

So, my theory is......it’s a combo thing. Some flavors react with other flavors. That’s the only thing to me that makes sense.
Yes that yellow actually looks very similar. I'm aware some flavorings just have a tint to them, vanillas and things tend to develop a honey or tan color. Those are pretty common shades, varying degrees of like a reddish brown, light orange or even a creamy yellow. The yellow you've got in that one mix is much different, a translucent very vivid yellow.

Zaroba is right, I suppose ejuice manufacturers could lie however it doesn't seem plausible in this case. The brand in question has around 150+ flavors, none of which are 'mutant green' or 'cosmic blue'. The vast majority are clear or have the very faint tinge from nic. Their flavors with creams or vanillas turn a more golden/honey tan color like most other juices. Doesn't really stand to reason they'd have 149 juices with natural color and 1 they decided 'i know, we'll add artificial coloring to this one'. Which leads me to believe it's a flavoring combo.

As stated before I could care less about the final color. Coloring isn't my goal. My theory is say they're using 3 ingredients, a banana, a strawberry and a cream and there's a known coupling of flavors like tfa banana ripe and capella bavarian cream equals a yellow coloring.. or maybe someone's used something like rf banana and it's known to give the resulting juice a notable bright yellow color while others don't. Then I can at least gravitate toward that replicating a juice I know has that color. It would save me trying FA banana, HS banana, INW banana, TFA dx banana cream, FW banana, Cap banana and however many other dozens of banana flavors are out there. Assuming the coloring is just a natural byproduct of flavorings combined, no matter how many 100's of combinations of ingredients I throw together if mine isn't turning the same color as theirs then I'm not using the same flavoring. Meaning my end result stands no chance of being anything other than ballpark close.

I was just taking a stab in the dark asking. I figured with so many people and all the various flavorings they may have tried and various combinations, had they had one come out a unique color it would have stood out. Given 99% of juice mixed comes out the normal clear or honey color, one like that strawberry margarita mix color is unique. Very few juices I've seen that color. Most look like the others in your pic or like in Zaroba's pics.

That strawberry margarita, you mentioned it's a combo of Cap sweet strawberry, Cap lemon lime, FW margarita and Cap super sweet. My guess is it 'may' be the sweet strawberry only because this banana juice isn't lemony at all, doesn't have margarita in it but may very well have super sweet. But I do get a hint of faint strawberry so out of all those in your yellow mix that's about the only crossover I can imagine that both may share. Can I ask what sort of percentage of strawberry you're using? I mean is it significant like 4-6% or just a little like 1%? Only reason I ask, knuckle testing the banana juice I get a hint of strawberry but not much. Vaping it I really can't distinguish the strawberry so if they're using strawberry I'd assume it's in low percentages. Hard to explain and I may not have the best palate anyway but I get a very mild sweet banana and something else on the exhale. Like barely a berry or apple, like the smell of another fruit but can't quite taste it.
 

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Yes that yellow actually looks very similar. I'm aware some flavorings just have a tint to them, vanillas and things tend to develop a honey or tan color. Those are pretty common shades, varying degrees of like a reddish brown, light orange or even a creamy yellow. The yellow you've got in that one mix is much different, a translucent very vivid yellow.

Zaroba is right, I suppose ejuice manufacturers could lie however it doesn't seem plausible in this case. The brand in question has around 150+ flavors, none of which are 'mutant green' or 'cosmic blue'. The vast majority are clear or have the very faint tinge from nic. Their flavors with creams or vanillas turn a more golden/honey tan color like most other juices. Doesn't really stand to reason they'd have 149 juices with natural color and 1 they decided 'i know, we'll add artificial coloring to this one'. Which leads me to believe it's a flavoring combo.

As stated before I could care less about the final color. Coloring isn't my goal. My theory is say they're using 3 ingredients, a banana, a strawberry and a cream and there's a known coupling of flavors like tfa banana ripe and capella bavarian cream equals a yellow coloring.. or maybe someone's used something like rf banana and it's known to give the resulting juice a notable bright yellow color while others don't. Then I can at least gravitate toward that replicating a juice I know has that color. It would save me trying FA banana, HS banana, INW banana, TFA dx banana cream, FW banana, Cap banana and however many other dozens of banana flavors are out there. Assuming the coloring is just a natural byproduct of flavorings combined, no matter how many 100's of combinations of ingredients I throw together if mine isn't turning the same color as theirs then I'm not using the same flavoring. Meaning my end result stands no chance of being anything other than ballpark close.

I was just taking a stab in the dark asking. I figured with so many people and all the various flavorings they may have tried and various combinations, had they had one come out a unique color it would have stood out. Given 99% of juice mixed comes out the normal clear or honey color, one like that strawberry margarita mix color is unique. Very few juices I've seen that color. Most look like the others in your pic or like in Zaroba's pics.

That strawberry margarita, you mentioned it's a combo of Cap sweet strawberry, Cap lemon lime, FW margarita and Cap super sweet. My guess is it 'may' be the sweet strawberry only because this banana juice isn't lemony at all, doesn't have margarita in it but may very well have super sweet. But I do get a hint of faint strawberry so out of all those in your yellow mix that's about the only crossover I can imagine that both may share. Can I ask what sort of percentage of strawberry you're using? I mean is it significant like 4-6% or just a little like 1%? Only reason I ask, knuckle testing the banana juice I get a hint of strawberry but not much. Vaping it I really can't distinguish the strawberry so if they're using strawberry I'd assume it's in low percentages. Hard to explain and I may not have the best palate anyway but I get a very mild sweet banana and something else on the exhale. Like barely a berry or apple, like the smell of another fruit but can't quite taste it.
I used 4% Caps Sweet Strawberry.
 

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I think I read somewhere that a YT reviewer confirmed VapeWild uses all Flavor West flavors. Twisted 480 or something like that. I watched a video where the guy actually took the tour. But people asked him and he said yeah. I'm pretty sure I read that but can't confirm it.
 

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