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WHY is it so hard to find triple 18650 DNA250C MODS? I'm talking non-custom ones. They're all sold out and this is basically the current best board, you would think there'd be tons of brands making 250C MODs but there's not many choices for either dual or triple 18650. And the ones they did make, most places they're sold out (fasttech, gearbeast, etc) --- so is DNA making something new soon? I doubt that, so why don't these brands just crank out more of these MODS?
No, they're not ALL sold out but they're hard to find. Most sites though they're sold out unless you want to pay an extra $60 more than people paid over a year ago for these MODs.


Another thing that's strange is the Hcigar VT250s (a 250, not 250C) can do dual or triple18650 depending on which battery door you use - it's surprisingly small for a dual 18650 MOD. about 1.5 year ago, I wanted a compact but powerful MOD and looked into 26650 MODS (pretty sure it was 26650s I was considering) only to realize after nit picking dimensions for hours that the VT250s in dual mode was actually SMALLER than all the 26650s, and holds more battery life. Very smart design except that the plastic clip that holds the dual 18650 door on cracked way too easily.
WHY wouldn't they keep making this type of MOD? It's also IMHO more ergonomic in hand than the dual 18650 flask-type Paranormal etc MODS everyone likes. Can get a hybrid 2/3 cell MOD like the VT250s and use it for big builds or long battery life or use it in dual mode instead and it's compact. Just doesn't make sense to me why no one has copied this design yet would be perfect for the Traide or Finder etc 250c MODs.
 

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WHY is it so hard to find triple 18650 DNA250C MODS? I'm talking non-custom ones. They're all sold out and this is basically the current best board, you would think there'd be tons of brands making 250C MODs but there's not many choices for either dual or triple 18650. And the ones they did make, most places they're sold out (fasttech, gearbeast, etc) --- so is DNA making something new soon? I doubt that, so why don't these brands just crank out more of these MODS?
No, they're not ALL sold out but they're hard to find. Most sites though they're sold out unless you want to pay an extra $60 more than people paid over a year ago for these MODs.


Another thing that's strange is the Hcigar VT250s (a 250, not 250C) can do dual or triple18650 depending on which battery door you use - it's surprisingly small for a dual 18650 MOD. about 1.5 year ago, I wanted a compact but powerful MOD and looked into 26650 MODS (pretty sure it was 26650s I was considering) only to realize after nit picking dimensions for hours that the VT250s in dual mode was actually SMALLER than all the 26650s, and holds more battery life. Very smart design except that the plastic clip that holds the dual 18650 door on cracked way too easily.
WHY wouldn't they keep making this type of MOD? It's also IMHO more ergonomic in hand than the dual 18650 flask-type Paranormal etc MODS everyone likes. Can get a hybrid 2/3 cell MOD like the VT250s and use it for big builds or long battery life or use it in dual mode instead and it's compact. Just doesn't make sense to me why no one has copied this design yet would be perfect for the Traide or Finder etc 250c MODs.
Lost Vape still does runs of the Triade, my local shop got some in about a month ago.

The DNA250C chip alone costs about as much or more as your average Chinese mod and there's not a huge market for mods at $150+. Companies make what sells and people seem to like their compact mods.

BTW, I love the 250C. I've owned the Triade 250C and own 3 Paranormal 250C's. So I agree that it's a great chip, it's just more advanced than any new vaper who's looking for a mod needs and that's the target market for so many of these companies. It's also the reason you don't see more triple battery mods, Smok, Vaporesso, Geekvape, Lost Vape, etc, are almost exclusively focused on new vapers and not the hobbyist.
 
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It’s a sign of the times. The dna has been my favorite board since the dna20 came out years ago. When I started vaping I had the mentality that if I was spending 300$ a month on cigarettes; than, spending a couple of hundred dollars on a vape set up (mod,tank/rad, wire,cotton, juice) was permissible to start.
This was years back when it was hard to find gear for under 50$.
Now that you can find decent mods for 25$ and artsy for 10$ It’s hard for a lot of folks to justify spending dna money on a mod.
 

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I have noticed this also. Imo, Evolv is coming out with a new chip. and they are waiting on what is out there now to thin down.
and/or they are still in development/tooling up.

Imo, the current screen is kind of small. 25, or even better 50% larger and we will see a bunch of 75c and 250c mods on the used market.
 

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It’s non-squonk dna’s in general, not that many single cell 75’s available either. Hell I’d like to see a redo of the 40 and 60, non color is fine by me.
 

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Kinda surprised that DNA is coming out with a new chip considering what we hear from the FDA recently.
Non us markets I suppose.
And yes the chips/modules are a tobacco product under deeming regs if designed to adjust wattage on a vape.
 

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Kinda surprised that DNA is coming out with a new chip considering what we hear from the FDA recently.
Non us markets I suppose.
And yes the chips/modules are a tobacco product under deeming regs if designed to adjust wattage on a vape.

They anticipated August 8th and filed several parents before that date.
 

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Ahh but the magic date is Feb 2007 Anything not sold on the US market prior to that date still requires PMTA type approval or it gets pulled in a year or two at most, according to current estimates on the FDA enforcement kick in.
 

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Ahh but the magic date is Feb 2007 Anything not sold on the US market prior to that date still requires PMTA type approval or it gets pulled in a year or two at most, according to current estimates on the FDA enforcement kick in.
Well, using that date, everyone Is fucked
 

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Well, using that date, everyone Is fucked
Yep pretty much as things stand now.
The 8-8-2016 date was just for no new products to the market without FIRST getting a PMTA approval
From Feb 2007 - 8-8-2016 all products still need PMTA type approval to continue being sold after the drop dead date in a year or two.
They are accelerating the dates so who knows? Maybe as short as another year or less till the drop dead date.

And the 8-8-2016 date never got extended so any new products after that date are technically illegal to sell.
Just waiting on the enforcement hammer to drop on them.
 

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Yep pretty much as things stand now.
The 8-8-2016 date was just for no new products to the market without FIRST getting a PMTA approval
From Feb 2007 - 8-8-2016 all products still need PMTA type approval to continue being sold after the drop dead date in a year or two.
They are accelerating the dates so who knows? Maybe as short as another year or less till the drop dead date.

And the 8-8-2016 date never got extended so any new products after that date are technically illegal to sell.
Just waiting on the enforcement hammer to drop on them.
Well, I know I’m the issue of
Evolv, the ceo has said in quite a few interviews that they had several future items “ok’d” for sale for the coming years as they had a multi year business plan.

Albeit, that was back when the “c” class released and he didn’t go
Further that I saw, so it’s just words.
 

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Well, I know I’m the issue of
Evolv, the ceo has said in quite a few interviews that they had several future items “ok’d” for sale for the coming years as they had a multi year business plan.

Albeit, that was back when the “c” class released and he didn’t go
Further that I saw, so it’s just words.
No one in the vaping business wants to speak of the impending apocalypse.
 

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No one in the vaping business wants to speak of the impending apocalypse.

if there even is one. but that would be a good reason for them to get out a new chip = the longer they wait, the less sales.
and the chip may even be out and the mod maakers are doing their thing. me, I would buy 1 or 2 chips, then a mod I want. though, when they first come out, they will be pricy.
 

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if there even is one

True but all I have to go on is what is currently in place to happen.
I sure hope it does not happen, but expect it to at least mostly happen.

for me the DNA chips are already pricey.
And the older ones seem to require lots of fiddling.
I like em simple. On/Off adjust watts, fire.
 

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True but all I have to go on is what is currently in place to happen.
I sure hope it does not happen, but expect it to at least mostly happen.


On/Off adjust watts, fire.


of course. but they may be doing all of this, so we are happy to be taxed to hell and back.


that's is about all I do with mine. I am a cave man vaper.
 

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of course. but they may be doing all of this, so we are happy to be taxed to hell and back.


that's is about all I do with mine. I am a cave man vaper.
Actually the taxes are the most positive thing so far about saving much of vaping in the USA.
Governments like their taxes and will not want to give them up.
 

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Actually the taxes are the most positive thing so far about saving much of vaping in the USA.
Governments like their taxes and will not want to give them up.

that is exactly why I am saying this will not happen.
 

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that is exactly why I am saying this will not happen.

I still expect it to mostly happen.
I figure that open systems, mechs and such are likely doomed.
Pods and such closed systems will survive.
they will still get lots of taxes off of those.
Only built in batteries.
Just my gloom and doom prediction though.
Which I really hope is wrong.

But I have stockpiled for it to happen.
Plan for the worst hope for the best.
 

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I still expect it to mostly happen.
I figure that open systems, mechs and such are likely doomed.
Pods and such closed systems will survive.
they will still get lots of taxes off of those.
Only built in batteries.
Just my gloom and doom prediction though.
Which I really hope is wrong.

But I have stockpiled for it to happen.
Plan for the worst hope for the best.


well, if it does happen, and over a year from now. I will be good to go. sept for maybe nic, and maybe even then.
 

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true true, most people just don't need the DNA features. most shops/websites would rather sell more $50 non DNA MODS than $125 DNA MODS.
escribe is still confusing to me, most people don't want to deal with all that.

The kicker for me is I only really get DNAs because it DOES balance charge multiple cells safely (I've checked with $500 analog and $10 digital meters like 18 months after using the same cells and NEVER rotating them purposely [first cell in line usually gets the most use and might show lower voltage when tested months later]), but probably like %80 of non DNA users using devices with multiple cells charge the cells on an external charger.


Although I might have fried the charging circuit on a DNA mod or two, it never blew up or got hot or anything and the convenience of being able to just plug it into a POWERED usb hub (so it doesn't suck power straight from the computer PSU even though mine is gold certified and great could be dangerous for your computer), the convenience of being able to USB charge a DNA and passthrough vape at same time is well worth it instead of taking the batteries out all the time (leads to needing rewrapping sometimes I never needed to do) and charging on an external, charge in car USB adapter etc.
1 year Warranty covers fix if the charging goes bad but even a $50 replacement board is well worth it to me, plus I'm hoping the newer DNA-Color boards are less prone to this. Ordering a Finder 250C right now...


It could also be a problem from the tad bit of juice that gets in some of my mods or the once per 18 months I might drop a mod even if just on carpet. Other than that I use genuine cells and don't overload them I vape gently basically, just saying, going off topic though.


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damn didn't realize there's more regulation on e cigs coming, I don't get into all that, but I'll try to keep an eye on this because I am anal about my MODs so I want to make sure I don't end up being forced to use some BS mod made by the same company that owns McDonalds or Walmart or something. I'll have to stock up on a few DNA boards if needed. Other than that I vape flavorless usually so liquid nic will still be somewhat cheap. IMHO the flavors are the sketchy part they need to research, and vaping artificial coloring , additives, etc and whatever else McDonalds + RJ Walmart wants to put in their vape juice. Like with cigarettes, all the BS they put in them not gonna lie I still have a smoke now and then but would be organic additive-free, just organic tobacco American spirit, although hemp paper would be preferred instead of bleached paper, plus by law packaged cigs need to have an anti-fire band about 3 times down the length to make it go out on its own -something rolling own with help would omit - but vaping is more fun anyway.
 

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That's me; probably half of why I so love my mechs

Make a solid build, keep your rig half way clean and you are good to go
Yep same here but I like switchfets better than mechs since I am lazy on the cleaning :)
 

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Not saying dna don't make great boards, they do. Or that they'll go the way of provari since they're keeping up in terms of relevance. They are pretty damn pricey though and cheaper competition is closing in. Even if they're not directly comparable. It's not like it used to be when your choices for temp control were dna or whatever smok or kangertech put out. The other versions of tc you may as well have grabbed a tomato and thrown it at the wall.

Now though you've got solid and respectable tc performance from the omni chips, gene chips as well as yihi. There's always been a battle between yihi and dna and they do have their slight differences. Pretty sad though when I can get a yihi based mod for like $22 shipped on sale. Even if you considered dna 100% perfect and yihi would be what, 97, 98% by comparison? $22 vs $149, it's a no brainer. About the only real differentiating feature dna have now is the 'replay' feature. You could argue they're customizable and they are to a level greater than other mods. Very few people need that level of customization. When it comes to things like wattage curves, temp curves and things like that, gene and omni both have that too. It's chipping away at the 'added value' of the dna boards imo. It's not like to get that sort of feature it's dna or go home, plenty of others are offering most of those features.

Honda and Toyota used to be shitty boxy little cars, earning nicknames like 'jap crap'. If you wanted something nice you had to go with lincoln or cadillac, mercedes. Plenty of nice accords, acura's and lexus these days. Prices in general are falling in some ways, the chinese mods are getting more expensive (and were before the tariffs). Juice is working it's way down cheaper, I've seen places like halo dropping their price from $23/30ml to $15.99/30ml and a more reasonable $29/100ml (compared to $23 for 1/3 that). If dna won't budge on the roughly $60 a chip they charge it makes it harder for mod companies to sell gear for under $100. Markets don't really support it much. Going back to the car comparison, if you wanted leather seats or power moon roof you had to go with a more expensive car. Now they're available on most models. The older imports used to be crank windows, fabric seats and am/fm radio if you were lucky. Now even the imports have power windows, locks, traction control, cruise, blutooth in dash cd/dvd/mp3, 12 way power leather seats with warmers and massagers, power roof. There's little differentiating them from the 'upper end'.

Also as theboss pointed out, triple 18650's aren't exactly popular. They tend to be big and bulky and issues with proper charging of the 3rd battery. Now that 2x700's are a thing there's little point, a dual 21700 circumvents the charging issue, doesn't require some sort of odd 3rd battery door, they're more compact, same power. Outside of custom jobs like lipo or whatever for higher power vaping, most people would rather swap batteries than tote them all around in the mod they're carrying for extra battery life. Probably why the kanger 5/6 didn't take off, big fat ass 20lb 5x 18650 mod no one wanted to curl all day to vape.
 

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Not saying dna don't make great boards, they do. Or that they'll go the way of provari since they're keeping up in terms of relevance. They are pretty damn pricey though and cheaper competition is closing in. Even if they're not directly comparable. It's not like it used to be when your choices for temp control were dna or whatever smok or kangertech put out. The other versions of tc you may as well have grabbed a tomato and thrown it at the wall.

Now though you've got solid and respectable tc performance from the omni chips, gene chips as well as yihi. There's always been a battle between yihi and dna and they do have their slight differences. Pretty sad though when I can get a yihi based mod for like $22 shipped on sale. Even if you considered dna 100% perfect and yihi would be what, 97, 98% by comparison? $22 vs $149, it's a no brainer. About the only real differentiating feature dna have now is the 'replay' feature. You could argue they're customizable and they are to a level greater than other mods. Very few people need that level of customization. When it comes to things like wattage curves, temp curves and things like that, gene and omni both have that too. It's chipping away at the 'added value' of the dna boards imo. It's not like to get that sort of feature it's dna or go home, plenty of others are offering most of those features.

Honda and Toyota used to be shitty boxy little cars, earning nicknames like 'jap crap'. If you wanted something nice you had to go with lincoln or cadillac, mercedes. Plenty of nice accords, acura's and lexus these days. Prices in general are falling in some ways, the chinese mods are getting more expensive (and were before the tariffs). Juice is working it's way down cheaper, I've seen places like halo dropping their price from $23/30ml to $15.99/30ml and a more reasonable $29/100ml (compared to $23 for 1/3 that). If dna won't budge on the roughly $60 a chip they charge it makes it harder for mod companies to sell gear for under $100. Markets don't really support it much. Going back to the car comparison, if you wanted leather seats or power moon roof you had to go with a more expensive car. Now they're available on most models. The older imports used to be crank windows, fabric seats and am/fm radio if you were lucky. Now even the imports have power windows, locks, traction control, cruise, blutooth in dash cd/dvd/mp3, 12 way power leather seats with warmers and massagers, power roof. There's little differentiating them from the 'upper end'.

Also as theboss pointed out, triple 18650's aren't exactly popular. They tend to be big and bulky and issues with proper charging of the 3rd battery. Now that 2x700's are a thing there's little point, a dual 21700 circumvents the charging issue, doesn't require some sort of odd 3rd battery door, they're more compact, same power. Outside of custom jobs like lipo or whatever for higher power vaping, most people would rather swap batteries than tote them all around in the mod they're carrying for extra battery life. Probably why the kanger 5/6 didn't take off, big fat ass 20lb 5x 18650 mod no one wanted to curl all day to vape.
Well said.

To your point about other companies catching up to the DNA, Vaporesso's new chip in the Gen mod can sense what metal you're using, something Smok and Geekvape have tried unsuccessfully to do. The reviews on this chip have been very positive and I believe other Chinese companies will be developing more advanced chips as well.

I used a Legend as a work mod for almost a year and that AS chip has easily over 100k puffs on it, decent temp control and power curves all for $50.
 

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so why don't these brands just crank out more of these MODS?

The same rationale used for ensuring any durable product isn't, two words. Planned obsolesce, manufactures build in means and ways for durable goods to entropy quicker. Usually quicker than consumer demand requires buying "something new". They do this in order to spur the economy, or so is said. Got to keep bucks flowing in to the company & that's all they care and are legally required to care about. So consumers can eat sub par "durable" goods.

I've learned this with the $99 Wal-Mart special 19" deck push mowers. We bought one and used it for that Summer. I put it up all cleaned, well cared for, by the next Summer it was not fit at all to use. The deck had rusted out where the motor mounted on, the tubing had all dissolved itself despite my lubricating them properly, the wheels being plastic had gotten all pitted and wouldn't allow it to be rolled. So what to do? Well of course, go buy a new one.

This notion of planned obsolesce is not economical though. Economical would let me replace a $0.30 rubber primer bulb on a weed eater after the ethanol mixed fuel ate it out. Nope, can't do that anymore, you need to go buy a $30.00 full carb kit just get the fucking bulb to prime fuel. $30.00 is about 25% of what the weed eater costs new to buy too. So yeah it seems "affordable" to buy a whole carb kit. It isn't because you're facing a 1,000 % mark up on a damn $0.30 piece that helps run the machine. All in the name of the almight dollar. Go go capitalism!

The "market" / "economy" will not grow infinitely. People are already getting wise to their shit and refusing to buy in. Trade and barter is still rather effective as is a gifting economy. What are the corporate types going to do when they got product priced so far out of being affordable that no one buys? Liquidate product to get insurance on it? How many times you think that'll play? What happens when the robots come in, and yes they are coming and sooner than expected.

Thank you to the McDonald's workers asking for $15.00 hrly. Capital will never pay no $15.00 hrly for "unskilled" labor as "minimum wage". No, they just get bots in and pay not even one tenth that and have product made 24/7/366 with no complaints and no need of benefits doled out. And then you got folks unable to retrain, folks not ready to "jump" into careers as a desk jokey that sits in a plant looks at monitors and only goes over to the dummy terminal if a bot is a micrometer off, punches a key to adjust, back to snoozing at the desk. And this will be in all fields too, not just factories, or driving, or writing, or whatever ... it's coming all across the board.

Sorry if that seems doom and gloom. It actually isn't though but rather just facts of what I see coming down the line. There's a channel on Roku which breaks it down and they optimistically say by 2050. It'll be here sooner. They're already having surgeons get used to operating robots to do surgery, and being robotic-ally assisted in surgery. That ought to tell how near to coming on this happens to be. If they can do self driving cars they'll do self driving semi rigs too, and they can.

And again, it's all for that dollar, dollar. And I still say it'll go pop and be such a deafening roar when it happens I'm not sure what will happen to governments, much less people in general.


And the 8-8-2016 date never got extended so any new products after that date are technically illegal to sell.

Ah, that clarifies something for me. Illegal to sell. I would figure then, not illegal to own.

that's is about all I do with mine. I am a cave man vaper.

Reckon that makes me primordial ooze man using mechs. Hell yeah, I'm older than dirt. Just call me Methuselah.

Make a solid build, keep your rig half way clean and you are good to go

Agreed. Just a fyi, I'm putting the baby back to be preserved. Not that I cannot use it, I can and well enough. I just think something of that caliber needs set back to weather time. She is a pretty sight too. :)

Yep same here but I like switchfets better than mechs since I am lazy on the cleaning :)

"Go on, pull the other one!" :)
 
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