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Clone Mods, whats your take on it

Ruppy_bear

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what about performance and safety? i know they wont perform the same as the OG but is the diffrenence night and day? most of the ppl i know in china dont have the big enough balls to try a clone cuz of safety, they dont its gonna go terribly wrong.

im mostly buying a clone just for looks (u know i like the look but cant afford the real one right now), but i want to ended up buying a mech mod that endeds up performing like a pen.

what about life spam? is it just like clothes/shoes where it depends on how u used it. (most fake shoes last about a year or so)
 

Mykreign

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what about performance and safety? i know they wont perform the same as the OG but is the diffrenence night and day? most of the ppl i know in china dont have the big enough balls to try a clone cuz of safety, they dont its gonna go terribly wrong.

im mostly buying a clone just for looks (u know i like the look but cant afford the real one right now), but i want to ended up buying a mech mod that endeds up performing like a pen.

what about life spam? is it just like clothes/shoes where it depends on how u used it. (most fake shoes last about a year or so)
I've had a lot of tube clones and only ever had a safety issue with one of them. The magnets in the switch are not strong enough to keep the mod from firing if you set it on a table without locking it. Not terrible but i need to be aware of it when using the mod so it's not auto firing. As long as you know what could go wrong with a mech and what to look for, you'll be ok.

performance, just make sure you get one with a copper or silver plated firing pin. If you get a really cheap clone with a lesser material, performance will drop.

Life span, I wouldnt worry to much about it. They should last a very long time. Only thing that might take a hit is your firing pin from too much arcing.
 

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funny how vaping doesnt really save lifes here in china. (we try to promo it like that but not.really working)

thats why so many ppl buy clones as its another great way to smoke and look cool without breaking the bank. (if u cant afford it)

another thing im curious about is do u guys buy reps/ clones like the same with clothes and shoes? u know we love jordans but i cant afford some of the shoe and the fact that shoes like jordan 1 (which was like $100 usd or so) just sky rocketed these few years due to crossover partnership/limited editons. (u know buy the mods just for looks)

Cigarettes are so cheap in China, in the west smoking is expensive and theres a good reason to look for alternatives beyond health reasons ...although vape prices have come down I suspect it’s still expensive compared to the stinkies over there ...in addition you haven’t had the government come down on it yet. If vaping becomes mainstream in China with the biggest population of smokers in the world guarantee they’ll come knocking if it interferes with their revenue stream

clones wise I have bought clones, but I stopped doing so a year or so ago as my experience grew with what I liked, plus I felt guilty about it personally to the point; of the handful I bought, I tried to replace them with the real deal instead.

As a new vaper would I do it again...probably yes, it’s an inexpensive way to experiment, but I think once it’s explored, in terms of what you like, then companies who come up with those concepts should be supported, the more that clones are supported, the fewer smaller builders and modders there are that can exist, which I believe is a bad thing in the end, as it leaves us with just the large companies with deeper pockets to run in large cheaper volumes all competing for the same space...this also sucks the life out of designers coming out with unique work as there exists a huge barrier to enter the market, or they can accept getting paid peanuts for their ideas (or conned out of it completely with no pay which is rife) from said larger companies who rely on wafer thin profit margins and sales through volume

Having said that I don’t judge others for what they do to stay off the stinkies, this is just my view and belief on it all
 
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KingPin!

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Smokers in the USA typically spend $150 - $400 per month on cigs.

It’s about £10 or more for pack of 20 cigs in UK now, so similar pricing here as well for a pack a day smoker ....expensive habit indeed. Folks are also limited to bringing back 200 from abroad so they get screwed even trying to stock up there.
 

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Before I started vaping, i tried ordering cigs online. I figured they can’t be bad, I used to buy them in Mexico by the carton. Was I ever wrong. Stale nasty things they were.
 

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Current prices here equate to around $1.30 for one cigarette.

Lots of black market though. But as firebloke says, not nice
 

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what about performance and safety? i know they wont perform the same as the OG but is the diffrenence night and day? most of the ppl i know in china dont have the big enough balls to try a clone cuz of safety, they dont its gonna go terribly wrong.

im mostly buying a clone just for looks (u know i like the look but cant afford the real one right now), but i want to ended up buying a mech mod that endeds up performing like a pen.

what about life spam? is it just like clothes/shoes where it depends on how u used it. (most fake shoes last about a year or so)
It all simply depends on which authentic you're comparing to what clone. Just because some student got paid $10 by some company as a reward for writing up a bit of fiction on a few forum websites and in comments sections of a few other websites, doesn't also mean everyone will be so stupid that they're going to believe those stories. The same logic applies to "reviewers" on YouTube, and, basically what this means is you need to do your own digging a lot to find what's underneath. If a certain online vendor puts the word "styled" in the product's description title, then clearly people are able to see that it's a clone so from that particular view it's not a scam because then the vendor is telling everyone beforehand that it is a clone. But as you yourself already pointed out correctly, the performance and the safety might still turn out to be rather fake. Ultimately, this can equally apply to authentic products. So, also ultimately, further digging can be required to find what's underneath.

One quick and dirty illustration. Some guy bought a clone of the XXX mech mod by Vaperz Cloud. The authentics are all made in China, and so was the clone. Later it turned out the clone was not a 1:1 clone; the whole interior design of the button, the button contacts and the firing mechanism were so completely different that, without any further info and without being able to verify the accuracy of any further info, your guess is as good as mine. The real problem IMO is that people can fantasize that the clone is close enough to the authentic that clones can be used to judge the quality of authentics. I.e., the quality of apples can be judged by looking at oranges. Hopefully this was informative. Maybe it was not informative, but nevertheless I still hope it was informative. :p
 

Carambrda

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It’s about £10 or more for pack of 20 cigs in UK now, so similar pricing here as well for a pack a day smoker ....expensive habit indeed. Folks are also limited to bringing back 200 from abroad so they get screwed even trying to stock up there.
I used to go to the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg for that stuff on occasion. And they also had great whisky that's so great in fact when I grow up I want to become a borderpolitician.

 

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I used to go to the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg for that stuff on occasion. And they also had great whisky that's so great in fact when I grow up I want to become a borderpolitician.


Yeah minibus trips used to be a thing haha remember stocking the van up with booze and cigs, even the ferry over to France there was duty free for us
 

Synphul

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I'd imagine it's like anything else, it's a roll of the dice with mods. Best to pay attention but then that's any mech mod. All safety is down to you. You'd expect that authentic with a well known name would want to pay extra attention to protect their status and not ruin their rep. Then again mistakes happen. $20 for a clone, $400 for an authentic but the authentic still doesn't come with vaper's insurance. Shit goes sideways, you blow your face off - well sorry bout that. Some may feel overly thrilled about their clone but I see people do that with overpriced stuff as well. They have a hard time admitting when they pump all that money into something and yet it wasn't magical.

Case in point, let smok have a screwed up mod. Oh my god it's smok, what a piece of shit, fuck smok. Their warranty sucks ass. Compared to a DNA mod when it screws up. Oh well, you know, you can't make them perfect every time. I'm sure it was an honest mistake, no really, this never happens. Oh is the warranty taking awhile? Well they're busy, they're trying their bestest. People make excuses when they dump their entire wallet on stuff.

It's been proven there's a psychological effect of branding and appearance of 'quality' as well as higher price. They've done it with wine multiple times and people taste the cheap shit in a box, turn their nose up at it. They love the expensive stuff in the fancy bottle with a higher price tag, then it's revealed it's the same wine. Retail does it all the time as a known marketing ploy and because it works they actually hike prices. You'd think a 'sale' tag would sell more product but if something is too cheap people perceive it to be 'cheap' and avoid it.

Armageddon got in some hot water when it turned out some of their stuff is made in China and so many were led to believe they're all made in the US. Oops. As for things like shoes, I've had cheap walmart offbrand work boots that lasted years in heavy work environments and held up to solvents, chemicals, grease and oils no problem. I've also had top dollar nike's which were absolute pieces of shit and the sole fell off both the original pair and the replacement pair. Couldn't even get 3mo out of 2 pair of nike air.

As others said you may run into issues of cheap magnets. Threading might not be as smooth, but then you're not paying anywhere near authentic prices. So long as threads are workable and if you check the magnets or replace with better ones, there's some things you can do to improve where they cheaped out and still come out ahead. Much like Mooch's testing to find out if copper vs brass vs whatever actually 'hits harder' or has any significant voltage drop like urban legends claim. Some metals do, some don't. It doesn't mean I think all authentics are garbage, only buy clones. Not at all. Just keep in mind for some authentics you're paying an extra $50 for quality and another $100-200 on top of that for them to blow smoke up your ass. It's a good idea to disassemble any mod and double check everything, all the threading, contacts, switch function etc because you'll always be the last check on your own safety.

If you've got the time or are interested, maybe check Mooch's 'minding your mechs' series. I haven't watched all of them so can't say for sure all of his findings. He's gone to great lengths to check for things like voltage drop among various mods and their materials.
 

Ruppy_bear

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i think thats a pretty in deep post besides the wine (i used to sell wine, not all not wine makers are like that. maybe just the chinese), but everything else is pretty in deep. may not happen to everyone but u never know
 

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