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BozVapes

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Wow i expected some poor mixes for my first attempt, maybe my flavouring and some
possibly bland flavours but these where a massive disaster, remember this was my first
attempt No scales converted ml to drops.

One turned out ok this was my first go i had no idea what i done wrong until now but im hoping
i can learn from this is what i think i have done wrong..:(( could not believe it when i found
out..

I thought what could it be ???What could i have possibly done some wrong that all my
mixes taste the same i can't even describe the taste..Well it looks like i put 1% CAP
super sweet in all my mixes that i had made so 4 weeks steeping did not help,I went back
and looked at my recipes over and over and i could not believe what i saw 1% super sweet
by cap in every recipe using drops not weight..

I got some scales and stopped putting sweetener in any of my mixes until i have tested
them now,They don't taste sweet they taste horrible..I'm pleased the last batch of recipes
i mixed i decided to leave all the sweetners out..I feel the last batch i made with no sweetner
is going to be good or at least usable especially since i used scales and learned a little more.

Im looking to make a really nice lemon meringue pie if any one has any suggestions please
this one cant fail my other recipes are steeping and are 7 days in but want to give them
3-4 weeks, I really need to boost my confidence in mixing or its going to be like this every
time i get something wrong i beat myself up over it for days.

I feel like if i can make a 40ml batch of some real nice lemon meringue pie
it will help boost my confidence if any one can put any input into this, it would
be greatly appreciated, Here is my flavour stash below guys any help would be
very much appreciated..

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/publicstash/193936
 

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Wow i expected some poor mixes for my first attempt, maybe my flavouring and some
possibly bland flavours but these where a massive disaster, remember this was my first
attempt No scales converted ml to drops.

One turned out ok this was my first go i had no idea what i done wrong until now but im hoping
i can learn from this is what i think i have done wrong..:(( could not believe it when i found
out..

I thought what could it be ???What could i have possibly done some wrong that all my
mixes taste the same i can't even describe the taste..Well it looks like i put 1% CAP
super sweet in all my mixes that i had made so 4 weeks steeping did not help,I went back
and looked at my recipes over and over and i could not believe what i saw 1% super sweet
by cap in every recipe using drops not weight..

I got some scales and stopped putting sweetener in any of my mixes until i have tested
them now,They don't taste sweet they taste horrible..I'm pleased the last batch of recipes
i mixed i decided to leave all the sweetners out..I feel the last batch i made with no sweetner
is going to be good or at least usable especially since i used scales and learned a little more.

Im looking to make a really nice lemon meringue pie if any one has any suggestions please
this one cant fail my other recipes are steeping and are 7 days in but want to give them
3-4 weeks, I really need to boost my confidence in mixing or its going to be like this every
time i get something wrong i beat myself up over it for days.

I feel like if i can make a 40ml batch of some real nice lemon meringue pie
it will help boost my confidence if any one can put any input into this, it would
be greatly appreciated, Here is my flavour stash below guys any help would be
very much appreciated..

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/publicstash/193936

Didn't look at your stash, but here is a link to the lemon tart recipe posted by @Smoky Blue

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/1985047/Smoky Blue's Lemon Tart Pie
 

BozVapes

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Thanks yep that was already on my next shopping list, i wish i had researched a little more before placing
my order as most people are using FLV and FA :( i will get them in weekly, i definitely wanted to
try the HICS recipe alone from the feedback i had heard..

But at the moment most of my flavours are TPA and FW and a few real flavours and CAP i have one
FA which is Cream Fresh..I just want some thing i can at least vape until i can afford to buy the
more expensive flavours..

I will have a look and see if its going to be possible to make a LMP with TPA and Real flavours
LMP as the main base and add some INW biscuit some golden butter and some fresh cream or
bavarian cream..Or even some LA cream cheeses icing im going to have to do some more
research my first go at making e juice was a massive fail due to not reading about the supper sweet
it cost me dearly..

But surely there has to be some good recipes out there without using FLV or FA concentrates..I
will definitely be getting a lot more FLV flavour and FA on my next order.

So does no one here use CAP or FW or TPA concentrates, i have definitely noticed this around the
forums, i was told CAP and TPA do some really good concentrates that only needed things adding
too them.
 

ceecee

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After having a look at what you do have to work with, I can give you a starting point:

TPA Graham Cracker (Clear) 1.5%
Cap Lemon Sicily 3%
Cap Lemon Meringue Pie 3%
Cap New York Cheesecake 1.5%
Cap Vanilla Whipped Cream 1.5%
1 drop of Cap Super Sweet per 10ml.

Steep for at least 2 weeks then give it a try. You can make adjustments from there to suit your own tastes. :)
You have some solid flavors there - no need to run out and buy more stuff.
 

BozVapes

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After having a look at what you do have to work with, I can give you a starting point:

TPA Graham Cracker (Clear) 1.5%
Cap Lemon Sicily 3%
Cap Lemon Meringue Pie 3%
Cap New York Cheesecake 1.5%
Cap Vanilla Whipped Cream 1.5%
1 drop of Cap Super Sweet per 10ml.

Steep for at least 2 weeks then give it a try. You can make adjustments from there to suit your own tastes. :)
You have some solid flavors there - no need to run out and buy more stuff.

I will mix this tomorrow and will see how it tastes, i cannot thank you enough its very much appreciated have a nice
week @ceecee, i will update this thread as soon as its steeped for 2-3 weeks.. Will knock a batch of this up to tomorrow
i feel the last batch of juices i mixed up are a lot better even though they are steeping, i wont give up on this journey.

I don't want to go back to smoking again no ways..I look forward to sharing my recipes
along my journey, once again thank you so much for your help.

I will make two batches using the same ingredients and swap the (CAP) LMP for
Lemon Meringue (SC) (Real Flavors) ar 2.5% and we will see which one is the
best might as well i have nothing too lose apart from gaining more experience,
i will let the real flavour one sit for 4-6 weeks though...

Will definitely update on the final result :)
 
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The Cromwell

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Mixing by drops suck.
different bottles give different drop volumes.
Mixing by volume/syringe or by weight are the ways to mix.

With that said I do my sweetener by drops :)
LOL used the same bottle for years now.
And I do not use any artificial sweetener as they disagree with me.
Recently got another bottle of sweetener as my original one is getting low after around 3.5 years of use.
New bottle is same as old bottle :D
 

BozVapes

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Mixing by drops suck.
different bottles give different drop volumes.
Mixing by volume/syringe or by weight are the ways to mix.

With that said I do my sweetener by drops :)
LOL used the same bottle for years now.
And I do not use any artificial sweetener as they disagree with me.
Recently got another bottle of sweetener as my original one is getting low after around 3.5 years of use.
New bottle is same as old bottle :D

Yep definitely wont be mixing by drops but i had all my concentrates arrive and was eager to get started
i had 4 different types of scales all where to the nearest g :( , I ordered some much better ones now so
its to the .00g , mixing by drops was obviously the start of the pain that was about to come, then
choosing to add 1% super sweet to every recipe was a huge huge mistake..

After testing the recipes i had made they all had this weird after taste, i thought it will be fine they just
need steeping LOL..hen i decided to go back through my old recipe list every thing looked ok percentages
where not perfect but i thought i would at least have 1 out of al them i had mixed..

Wow was i in for a shock so now all the 4 weeks steeped e-juices are down the sink and bottles are washed
with milton baby bottle cleaner and put into the fridge ready for the new batch..I learned a big lesson things
can only get better now..

I use an RDA with clapton coils and Fuzz cotton and you can pick out layers of flavours in the premium
ejuice and that is what i like, now i add no sweetener until im 100% sure i need it, as after doing more
research i can add marshmallow especially to milkshake recipes and can find sources of sweetness
from the ingredients i use rather than use sweetener...

I was very surprised i messed my first batch up so bad until i noticed 1% of super sweet will ruine
almost any recipe, can't wait until i have my first ADV it will save me fortune..

Hopefully things will get better with the new batch that i made last week.
 

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Thanks yep that was already on my next shopping list, i wish i had researched a little more before placing
my order as most people are using FLV and FA :( i will get them in weekly, i definitely wanted to
try the HICS recipe alone from the feedback i had heard..

But at the moment most of my flavours are TPA and FW and a few real flavours and CAP i have one
FA which is Cream Fresh..I just want some thing i can at least vape until i can afford to buy the
more expensive flavours..

I will have a look and see if its going to be possible to make a LMP with TPA and Real flavours
LMP as the main base and add some INW biscuit some golden butter and some fresh cream or
bavarian cream..Or even some LA cream cheeses icing im going to have to do some more
research my first go at making e juice was a massive fail due to not reading about the supper sweet
it cost me dearly..

But surely there has to be some good recipes out there without using FLV or FA concentrates..I
will definitely be getting a lot more FLV flavour and FA on my next order.

So does no one here use CAP or FW or TPA concentrates, i have definitely noticed this around the
forums, i was told CAP and TPA do some really good concentrates that only needed things adding
too them.


dunno... I always throw contests but moving them now to my site.. keep your eyes open and enter to win..
Never know.. you might just get lucky..

I do believe too, you are only as good as the tools you use.. but good luck to you and hope you find something you enjoy! :)
 

BozVapes

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dunno... I always throw contests but moving them now to my site.. keep your eyes open and enter to win..
Never know.. you might just get lucky..

I do believe too, you are only as good as the tools you use.. but good luck to you and hope you find something you enjoy! :)
Nice where is your site please ??I will get there eventually :( im trying every day reading and learning just got to build my confidence.
hoping to be able to order some FLV and FA at the end of next month, i believe from what im seeing people are using TPA and FW
and other companies to accompany the FLV and FA flavours.Sweet i found your forum through your FB page..
 
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Nice where is your site please ??I will get there eventually :( im trying every day reading and learning just got to build my confidence.
hoping to be able to order some FLV and FA at the end of next month, i believe from what im seeing people are using TPA and FW
and other companies to accompany the FLV and FA flavours.Sweet i found your forum through your FB page..


You found me.. :bliss:

I don't mix my flv with anything else.. been mixing with it alone.. for over 3 yrs now..

Tons of notes on my site.. so will see you around :D
 

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Nice where is your site please ??I will get there eventually :( im trying every day reading and learning just got to build my confidence.
hoping to be able to order some FLV and FA at the end of next month, i believe from what im seeing people are using TPA and FW
and other companies to accompany the FLV and FA flavours.Sweet i found your forum through your FB page..
Smoky's site is here: https://flvfan.com/ She has lot of notes on Flavorah flavors and some good info on mixing in general.
 

BozVapes

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Thanks all i normaly get my concentrates from rainbow vapes and eliquidflavourconcentrates but last time i spent over
£130 ELF and not even a small freebie lol and two bottles had leaked, rainbow vapes have been good but im going to try
chefsflavourings this time for a change, £44 in my basket already just covering my bases making sure i checked on elr
what every one is using as there main flavours. and checking my own concentrate list and stocking up on a few FLV and
FA main flavours and hopefully i will be able to make some nice recipes soon..Yep i get what your saying smokey blue
but i cant afford all FLV just yet :( i will get there eventually and im really looking forward to it...All i need is one ok ADV
for now and i can settle without giving dinner ladys £20 a week which i can put into concentrates instead.

I see alot talk about good mixers and most of them are actually supported by flavour
concentrate companies :) so its a little hard when we first start out, and im using what
has been recommended and what i can afford for now, but i do see the benefits of buying
FLV and FA as its almost a full profile unlike a bottle that has a picture of a apple pie on it
but is missing the filling lol...Had to grab FA apple pie !! But when lookng at what is mostly
used by ELR members who i know are not all 100% true mixers and there stats are even
taken from private not finished recopies, there are more people using TPA and CAP
because it is simply affordable in the short term but defiantly not in the long term.

Thank you gophpe_byrid
 
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BozVapes

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Just tested 2nd batch of recopies i did not add sweeter all taste bland this is just weird,
im ready for just throwing in the towel or buying FLV and FA only, i must have mixed
around 20+ different recipes and all taste nothing like its supposed too,

Im trying the Lemon Meringue Pie that posted here and then going to have to go and get
the stuff to make HICS LMP..

What is wrong with the CAP FW TPA flavours they seem too weak or some thing its just
strange i expected many failures but i would have thought one recipe would have come
out ok.

All have no nic in them and correct percentages are used could they be watered down.It just feels
like there always missing some thing not in a small way either..This is weird like the TPA apple
pie and custard i made, i used 2 apple pies and all i taste is crust and cinnamon..

Defiantly now moving over to FLV and FA ill keep these TPA and Cap for adding accents that is
the only thing i can see they are any good for, Maybe i need to use them at 5% + or even higher
for some of them. :((
 

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FLV, FA, INW, HS are all stronger flavors. Cap, TFA and FW are definitely on the weaker side of things, but they have their uses. Don’t give up on them yet! You just have to learn how to use them. All companies have their hits and misses.

You’ll have failures in the beginning. We all did. We all still do! For every 5 mixes I try, at least 3 are mediocre, some truly suck. Just keep doing the research. And keep trying. One day, the light switch will flip on!

And, for some people, sweetener is a must. I generally don’t use it, but I have and I will when recipes don’t pop or it’s a strictly fruit mix. Sometimes the sweetener is necessary! It can help take some recipes to the next level.
 

JuicyLucy

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We all did. We all still do! For every 5 mixes I try, at least 3 are mediocre, some truly suck

I would like your post several more times if I could, especially this ^^^^

I dislike probably or flat out hate probably nine out of 10 recipes I try, but I probably hate 49 out of 50 commercial juices, so I'm still coming out ahead.
 

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I would like your post several more times if I could, especially this ^^^^

I dislike probably or flat out hate probably nine out of 10 recipes I try, but I probably hate 49 out of 50 commercial juices, so I'm still coming out ahead.
True. Even my mediocre ones are better than some of the commercial ones. Ya think these flavors “should” work together....nope. Sometimes just nope. But you learn from that, right?
 

JuicyLucy

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True. Even my mediocre ones are better than some of the commercial ones. Ya think these flavors “should” work together....nope. Sometimes just nope. But you learn from that, right?

Absolutely
 

BozVapes

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I know 100% sure what im doing wrong now sorry guys this post nailed it for me..And my single flavour test on CAP Apple pie
this hit home with a lot of things..Im missing the centre and most of the important part of the apple pie 'Apple' Sugar and other
ingredients what an ass hole i am..This article basically showed me where i was going wrong with every single recipe..Another
big order going in at the end of the month

I thought i could not taste any apple n the CAP Apple pie concentrate guys things can only get better from here now..

I am trying im just missing most of the ingredients i need i took care of the main things that people use but they all need to be
used in conjunction with other things but i left the rest of the ingredients at the shop, due to cash issues i get it now what an
Ass hat i am..This was a great read for me and showed me exactly where i was going wrong.

https://www.ejuicemakers.com/lab-kopel-1-flavor-layering-aka-building-better-apple-pie/
 

captgreg

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I try to remember that most droppers at 20 drops is equivalent to 1ml or 1 gram in weight also when doing percentages I believe that if you use 1% that would be 0.50 of a gram or ml.
Don’t hold this against this old antique brain if I’m wrong and only use cpl drops of Sweetner lol.
 

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I try to remember that most droppers at 20 drops is equivalent to 1ml or 1 gram in weight also when doing percentages I believe that if you use 1% that would be 0.50 of a gram or ml.
Don’t hold this against this old antique brain if I’m wrong and only use cpl drops of Sweetner lol.


Flavorah dropper bottles are yet another breed of flavoring.. their Ultras are concentrated.
If you count (using scales) 50 drops = 1ml

I can not tell anyone about other companies.. haven't used them in ages.
 

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