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Which US Presidential candidate will you be voting for?


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Tpat591

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PoppaVic

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Screw "Federal Grand Jury" - deploy the Naval and Army CID and courts.. There is a whole lot of treason going on, and generals & admirals aside: the CoC commands the men in uniform. (Yes, I suspect officers are involved as well).

We can even buy new rope.
 

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Screw "Federal Grand Jury" - deploy the Naval and Army CID and courts.. There is a whole lot of treason going on, and generals & admirals aside: the CoC commands the men in uniform. (Yes, I suspect officers are involved as well).
I'm sorry, but that's not a good idea. Half the country would consider that the act of a true despot, and I wouldn't really blame them for thinking that.
 

Tpat591

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I'm sorry, but that's not a good idea. Half the country would consider that the act of a true despot, and I wouldn't really blame them for thinking that.
Don't dispute that and actually agree, however when we are dealing with very high level Judicial, DOJ, FBI, CIA & I assume some Military Misconduct, Conspiracy, Sedition & Treason & there is at the very least a reasonable argument to be made that the severity level of offense & the fact that a great many of these individuals reported directly or indirectly to superiors in the previous administration who themselves will be on trial and the potential for judicial bias in favor of the defendants is extremely high unless you impose a rule that any judge who reported to, or ever worked closely with anyone from the administration on trial must recuse themselves from hearing the case, it would seem the only way to ensure impartiality is to use the military justice system. Anyone who abused or violated a military or Top Secret grade secrecy oath would by definition have violated military national secrecy law. Every one of the coup plotters had taken a national secrecy oath. I was also under the impression that high ranking officials in the administration, CIA & State Department, etc also held an equivalency of a military rank depending on their position to establish a clear operational chain of command for in theater liaisons, is that not correct?

Any attempt to use solely civilian federal judges that Trump appointed would rightly be challenged to be shot down by the defense attorneys due to the potential of judicial bias on Trump's behalf. It becomes a catch 22. I would think they would have no choice but to use military justices for all coup plotters out of sheer necessity with all others tried in the civilian courts with appropriate recusals. It becomes a really sticky situation. Treason & Sedition in collusion with foreign nations or combatants have always been tried before military tribunals, have they not? Is this not a well established precedent in this country when high crimes against the state or executive have been prosecuted as demonstrated by the exchange between Graham & Kavanaugh at Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing?
 
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I do not see any military tribunals or anything even remotely close to that. We have yet to see anyone even looked at funny for the shit Obama and the Democrats have pulled. And I doubt like hell if we ever will.


With Hillary, everyone knows she has dirt on many in very high places that would end careers. It will be a cold day in hell before she ever serves a single day behind bars.
 

Tpat591

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I do not see any military tribunals or anything even remotely close to that. We have yet to see anyone even looked at funny for the shit Obama and the Democrats have pulled. And I doubt like hell if we ever will.


With Hillary, everyone knows she has dirt on many in very high places that would end careers. It will be a cold day in hell before she ever serves a single day behind bars.
All valid points, however they just all got caught illegally spying on the PEOTUS & POTUS in violation of FISA law & Plotting a Coup to depose a Duly Elected POTUS & were caught in a 2 year trumped up investigation of a POTUS based on a lie bought & paid for by HRC & 1/2 written by the CIA & FBI. Never in the history of our country has anything even approaching anything like this come to light.

I think you are going to find that after 2 years of hell, Trump will be looking to turn the tables & well deserved prosecutions will occur.
 
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Tpat591

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All that said, you know Andrew Weismann loaded the Mueller report with innuendo, suspicions & false allegations that remain unproven to justify planned continued investigations (& sealed indictments that were transferred from DC to SDNY) SDNY & the House & we will eventually have to eat a certain amount of crow as the full report is released & Dems are able to latch onto the lifebouys that Andrew Weismann buried in the report specifically to allow continued investigations & eventual impeachment of POTUS.

Now it is a race to charge Andrew Weismann with prosecutorial misconduct in the Mueller Investigation before the full Mueller Report is released. Enter Rodger Stone, Manafort, Corsi, Flynn, Popadop, etc. The floor is yours to discredit Andrew Weismann. Nail him to the wall with allegations that will later be supported when it comes to light the Mueller Investigation was also a sting & his conversations & communications were monitored & documented in ful by the NSA under a legitimate FISA warrant.
 
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PoppaVic

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All that said, you know Andrew Weismann loaded the Mueller report with innuendo, suspicions & false allegations that remain unproven to justify planned continued investigations (& sealed indictments that were transferred from DC to SDNY) SDNY & the House & we will eventually have to eat a certain amount of crow as the full report is released & Dems are able to latch onto the lifebouys that Andrew Weismann buried in the report specifically to allow continued investigations & eventual impeachment of POTUS.

Now it is a race to charge Andrew Weismann with prosecutorial misconduct in the Mueller Investigation before the full Mueller Report is released. Enter Rodger Stone, Manafort, Corsi, Flynn, Popadop, etc. The floor is yours to discredit Andrew Weismann. Nail him to the wall with allegations that will later be supported when it comes to light the Mueller Investigation was also a sting & his conversations & communications were monitored & documented in ful by the NSA under a legitimate FISA warrant.
I'd like to see Barr smile, sumon-in a pile of jerkoffs, introduce them to their interrogators, and walk away.. Get the goddamned facts behind the BS they've managed to imply.
 

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I'm sorry, but that's not a good idea. Half the country would consider that the act of a true despot, and I wouldn't really blame them for thinking that.

When the military starts prosecuting US citizens(civilians) it's past time to open the gun cabinet and get to work.
 

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Don't dispute that and actually agree, however when we are dealing with very high level Judicial, DOJ, FBI, CIA & I assume some Military Misconduct, Conspiracy, Sedition & Treason & there is at the very least a reasonable argument to be made that the severity level of offense & the fact that a great many of these individuals reported directly or indirectly to superiors in the previous administration who themselves will be on trial and the potential for judicial bias in favor of the defendants is extremely high unless you impose a rule that any judge who reported to, or ever worked closely with anyone from the administration on trial must recuse themselves from hearing the case, it would seem the only way to ensure impartiality is to use the military justice system. Anyone who abused or violated a military or Top Secret grade secrecy oath would by definition have violated military national secrecy law. Every one of the coup plotters had taken a national secrecy oath. I was also under the impression that high ranking officials in the administration, CIA & State Department, etc also held an equivalency of a military rank depending on their position to establish a clear operational chain of command for in theater liaisons, is that not correct?

Any attempt to use solely civilian federal judges that Trump appointed would rightly be challenged to be shot down by the defense attorneys due to the potential of judicial bias on Trump's behalf. It becomes a catch 22. I would think they would have no choice but to use military justices for all coup plotters out of sheer necessity with all others tried in the civilian courts with appropriate recusals. It becomes a really sticky situation. Treason & Sedition in collusion with foreign nations or combatants have always been tried before military tribunals, have they not? Is this not a well established precedent in this country when high crimes against the state or executive have been prosecuted as demonstrated by the exchange between Graham & Kavanaugh at Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing?

No, No and more NO.

If things are that bad that the military needs to prosecute US citizens then it would behoove one to take up arms rather than give the government MORE power. :rolleyes:

And we ain't there yet. ;)
 

chopdoc

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Trumps hands were never tied. He should have forced little Sessions to do his fucking job a year & a half ago when all these crimes came to light & arrested them all for their crimes. There has never been any question about their guilt. Yeah he would have had some assholes protesting in the street & would have had to contend with some dirty judges if he tried them in civilian court but it seems Military Tribunals would have applied for the offense of treason.


Actually Trumps hands was tied. The only option he truly had was pretty much exactly what he did. Ride it out. If he would of done anything to Sessions even tho all of us knew Jeff stabbed him in the back which I still cant believe he did that. I liked the guy a lot before that. Yet still if Trump did anything at all any claim to no obstruction would be out the window and the Dems would have a clear path to impeachment. As it is now there is no way possible for any impeachment proceeding to have any credibility. Once Sessions did resign, there was no point in doing anything and would of really been counterproductive.


All valid points, however they just all got caught illegally spying on the PEOTUS & POTUS in violation of FISA law & Plotting a Coup to depose a Duly Elected POTUS & were caught in a 2 year trumped up investigation of a POTUS based on a lie bought & paid for by HRC & 1/2 written by the CIA & FBI. Never in the history of our country has anything even approaching anything like this come to light.

I think you are going to find that after 2 years of hell, Trump will be looking to turn the tables & well deserved prosecutions will occur.


They have known for well over a year that the FBI lied to the FISA courts in obtaining ALL warrants and not one indictment yet to date over any of it. Look at everything Rosenstein has done. Yet he is still number #2 guy at the DOJ.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Not one single indictment.


I know this is the swamp. Every bit of corruption is the swamp and I hope now that Mueller is behind him, that Trump will unleash hell on the whole group of them. But I am not holding my breath because I know how hard the swamp is fighting back.
 

Tpat591

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When the military starts prosecuting US citizens(civilians) it's past time to open the gun cabinet and get to work.
We are not talking about civilians. All were serving high ranking Government Employees with access to highly confidential material at the time the alleged crimes took place. In no uncertain terms, all took oaths of office to serve the constitution, all took oaths of National Secrecy clearance. All served at the pleasure of the POTUS with the exception of Judges on the FISA Court. Each & every one of them knew they were committing treason, no matter how they justify it now. The penalty for violating those oaths, and there is a very good argument that both were violated, is Court Marshall, is it not? Why? Not No. What is the penalty for violating the oaths? Normally I would expect the answer to involve Leavenworth under UCMJ.

The only possible defense they have is I was following the orders of POTUS Obama, and that only carries them to Trump's inauguration day @ 11:59am.
 
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PoppaVic

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Dude, seriously.. We don't want them to pretend to learn to code. The market is already full of imported workers, sheesh.

Now, if it learns to SEW, maybe.. And, of course, there is always the treasured Sex Worker position. Although, I am hoping robots ruin that soon.
 

Tpat591

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I just got a time out for hate speech... :bliss:

This is my offending tweet... made to a CNN "reporter" who was spreading pure BS.

#LearnToCode
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Just asking to be banned aren't ya? - Have you forgotten so quickly? - The operative phrase is now:

"You should consider acquiring knowledge in the language of a computing apparatus"

or some variant thereof, preferably in an attached meme image that Twitter logarithms can't yet read. Anyone from CNN will report you to get you banned.
 
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