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Scientists found the dangers of smoking in the 50's. But yet 30 years later they still had the Marlboro man and the Newport couples on huge billboards portraying it as cool. Put something on the market to help quit smoking and you better ban that shit. SMH
 

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Wow, almost as if someone is directly quoting some of our previous discussions on vaping-madness hysteria. I particularly like the line in red below.

When it comes to other legal drugs, we don’t require that products intended for adults be made unpalatable to minors, even if they’re not supposed to be getting their hands on them. Teen drinking is a serious problem—the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that excessive drinking causes more than 4,300 deaths among the underaged each year, which is approximately 4,300 more deaths than can be attributed to teen vaping—but we don’t address this by banning adult beverages that young people also find appealing. In states that have legalized c*nnabis, a visit to any p*t dispensary will dispense with the notion that unsophisticated flavors are just for kids; plenty of middle-aged adults line up for edibles in flavors like “Fruity Krispy Treat” or “Citrus Dreamsicle” caramel. Some of this stuff eventually makes its way to minors, but more than 60 percent of the U.S. agrees that it’s better to legalize it than to continue arresting nonviolent people for using it.
 

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Wow, almost as if someone is directly quoting some of our previous discussions on vaping-madness hysteria. I particularly like the line in red below.

When it comes to other legal drugs, we don’t require that products intended for adults be made unpalatable to minors, even if they’re not supposed to be getting their hands on them. Teen drinking is a serious problem—the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that excessive drinking causes more than 4,300 deaths among the underaged each year, which is approximately 4,300 more deaths than can be attributed to teen vaping—but we don’t address this by banning adult beverages that young people also find appealing. In states that have legalized c*nnabis, a visit to any p*t dispensary will dispense with the notion that unsophisticated flavors are just for kids; plenty of middle-aged adults line up for edibles in flavors like “Fruity Krispy Treat” or “Citrus Dreamsicle” caramel. Some of this stuff eventually makes its way to minors, but more than 60 percent of the U.S. agrees that it’s better to legalize it than to continue arresting nonviolent people for using it.
They just don't want us vaping. That's my take on it. I missed the alcohol thing but that's completely correct. Mikes hard lemonade and all the fruity kids drinks are still legal
 

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There is no power in "Yes". Politicians can exercise great power over the masses by taking away rights and making you beg, fight and pay to get it back. Know who else used to do this? The mafia. This is a shakedown.
 

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They don't care if we vape, smoke, smoke EDITED BY MODERATOR, drink ourselves to death or otherwise so long as they can find a way to get a piece of the action.

If they cared, 99.9999999% of medications would never make it to market. the side affects are often worse than the illness.

Lobbyist monies dictate what our government is concerned with. Not the will of the people.
 
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I saw a commercial the other day one of the side effects was lymphoma. What? A medicine that helps one thing can give you cancer That's idiotic
 

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Side affects are always: Nausea, irritable bowels and death. The last one being the real kicker.
 

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Wow, almost as if someone is directly quoting some of our previous discussions on vaping-madness hysteria. I particularly like the line in red below.

When it comes to other legal drugs, we don’t require that products intended for adults be made unpalatable to minors, even if they’re not supposed to be getting their hands on them. Teen drinking is a serious problem—the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that excessive drinking causes more than 4,300 deaths among the underaged each year, which is approximately 4,300 more deaths than can be attributed to teen vaping—but we don’t address this by banning adult beverages that young people also find appealing. In states that have legalized c*nnabis, a visit to any p*t dispensary will dispense with the notion that unsophisticated flavors are just for kids; plenty of middle-aged adults line up for edibles in flavors like “Fruity Krispy Treat” or “Citrus Dreamsicle” caramel. Some of this stuff eventually makes its way to minors, but more than 60 percent of the U.S. agrees that it’s better to legalize it than to continue arresting nonviolent people for using it.

The county I live in did a study, results came back 28% of the population admitted to having a drinking problem....so we legalized selling alcohol on Sundays. I’ve been on the wagon two years and every day I step back and say damn I’m glad I’m done. Vape on!


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The county I live in did a study, results came back 28% of the population admitted to having a drinking problem....so we legalized selling alcohol on Sundays. I’ve been on the wagon two years and every day I step back and say damn I’m glad I’m done. Vape on!


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This is a direct result of moral decay.
 

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They just don't want us vaping. That's my take on it. I missed the alcohol thing but that's completely correct. Mikes hard lemonade and all the fruity kids drinks are still legal

My Dad was over the other day and he came right out and said I better vape my ass off because it’s going away sooner than what I think. The flavored liquor thing is something I’ve never understood, Mt. Dew vodka was huge back in my drinking days and not once has it ever been brought up. A couple years ago two twins overdosed on vodka and pain pills they swiped from their parents, the parents are now making millions giving anti drug speeches...kinda off topic but it really chaps my ass.


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This is a direct result of moral decay.

Morals, wtf are morals? I just can’t believe with all the issues out there that vaping is the really issue to focus in on. Perhaps Facebook could use a little microscope time ha ha.


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With all the TV Advertising JUUL is doing, vaping is never going away. What bugs me is this, the size of the HDTV screen at the start because of the FDA.

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Morals, wtf are morals? I just can’t believe with all the issues out there that vaping is the really issue to focus in on. Perhaps Facebook could use a little microscope time ha ha.


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Facebook should be shuttered and Zuckerberg charged criminally.
 

Jenn F

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Side affects are always: Nausea, irritable bowels and death. The last one being the real kicker.

Coming from someone who only has less than a third of a large intestine and 4-6 less feet of small intestine left, I debunk the "Irritable Bowel" theory! I have made a huge turn around after starting back to vaping after my two huge surgeries. Yeah, call me the Guinea Pig of this group! LOL:facepalm::giggle:
They are going to say whatever they want. My surgeon is happy with me vaping and is for it. Best GI surgeon in the Montgomery area. He knows but he's not Big Pharma either.
 

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This is the statement that boils my blood. It reads to me like they know they can't change the adults minds so will try to indoctrinate the youth.

I am not going to advocate for youth vaping, but we were all kids at one point and most of us tried all kinds of things. We have two friends who's older teens started vaping. The kids would talk to me because I vaped. I Wouldn't encourage them but I also will NOT discourage them because they could be doing more harmful things. I'd rather my kids try vaping than cigarettes and again I will not encourage them to do so. Fortunately my kids have seen the negative effects that smoking has done to me and neither seem to have an interest in following in dad's poor choices.


"Teenagers are the intended audience for the video, but its portrayal of vaping is so repulsive that the federal agency that created it actually wants to minimize the number of adults who watch it. “Adults should not be seeing these ads,” said Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products, introducing the campaign at a recent forum hosted by New York University. The reason for this unusual statement? The FDA is wary of discouraging adult smokers from switching to e-cigarettes, which many scientists estimate to be 95 percent safer for them. Ads like this one contribute to an alarmist political climate that has put e-cigarettes under attack, with bills at all levels of government threatening to tax vapor products, ban flavors, restrict their use in public, and raise the minimum age of purchase from 18 to 21."
 

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Another thing, and I'm sure it's been said over and over again we need to find a way to change the language in which vaping is spoken. Calling the e-cigarettes continues to link vaping to smoking. Yes when we vape we consume nicotine, but that's the only thing vaping has in common with smoking.
 

Jenn F

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Another thing, and I'm sure it's been said over and over again we need to find a way to change the language in which vaping is spoken. Calling the e-cigarettes continues to link vaping to smoking. Yes when we vape we consume nicotine, but that's the only thing vaping has in common with smoking.

Been trying that for years. Wished that would happen!
 

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Coming from someone who only has less than a third of a large intestine and 4-6 less feet of small intestine left, I debunk the "Irritable Bowel" theory!

You might want to be careful, you have an elevated risk of 'Cupcake Colon' due to your condition and the fact that you vape bakery flavors! :eek:

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You might want to be careful, you have an elevated risk of 'Cupcake Colon' due to your condition and the fact that you vape bakery flavors! :eek:

:giggle:

Hence the BIG reason why I got back on vaping vs chain smoking! I went straight from Lung C to Colon C overnight, actually. I'll keep those bakery flavors going though, for now. You certainly said the truth. I always said that my demise would be the C word, a wreck or some freak accident that I would be involved in. Nope, I about pushed up daisies due to my tummy. Literally, no :poop::poop:! Funny but true story. My family said my bike, I said my car, no it was my tummy! LOLOLOL!!! :crazy::xD::facepalm: I even wrote that down in a joking way whenever I woke up on a ventilator to make my dad laugh instead of him being all teary eyed! ;)
 

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Hence the BIG reason why I got back on vaping vs chain smoking! I went straight from Lung C to Colon C overnight, actually. I'll keep those bakery flavors going though, for now.

My bad Jenn, I wasn't trying to make light of your situation, I was trying to be funny with a made up disease ( Cupcake Colon ) much like one we heard not too long ago, Cottage Cheese Lung. In the case of the latter, I'm pretty sure they meant Popcorn Lung which of course, hasn't been found to be an issue for vapers despite attempts to promote it as a potential risk.

In any event, I hope none of those factors ever come into play for you and you wind up proving your family wrong by living a long and happy life. :)
 

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My bad Jenn, I wasn't trying to make light of your situation, I was trying to be funny with a made up disease ( Cupcake Colon ) much like one we heard not too long ago, Cottage Cheese Lung. In the case of the latter, I'm pretty sure they meant Popcorn Lung which of course, hasn't been found to be an issue for vapers despite attempts to promote it as a potential risk.

In any event, I hope none of those factors ever come into play for you and you wind up proving your family wrong by living a long and happy life. :)

I knew the term Cupcake Colon only due to me getting sick last year. It's something they do for awareness. Don't apologize because I found it funny! It's true that I vape many desserts with the bad ingredients in them but hey, gotta have a risk here or there! :) I traded one in for the other! It's pretty amazing how you can be fine one day and thinking what could happen in the future vs being told "We must open you up only after we can get you stabilized enough to survive this surgery." That makes for a yucky Saturday night! Then wake up a week later not knowing you "slept" that long.
The government only want to scare everyone about Popcorn Lung and things of that nature as in heart conditions, etc etc etc, but they don't warn you about is the very foods we ingest. For me, it was a total fluke issue with no underlying conditions related to anything but my stomach taking a vacation from me. All I heard was how bad smoking was before, first time vaping and now I catch H@ll from smokers about the bad effects of vaping is. NO, it's our foods more than anything. Smog too, but our vaping is more of a nuisance, really?

Again, no harm done! I advocate for what I survived! Get checked after two days of the 24 hour bug, mine went for a few weeks and I about checked out of here...:) Smile, I joke about it to no end! Cancer scare is real for me, but so is walking out in front of a car while at the grocery store! I just lessened it with dropping the analogs! :cheers:
 

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I knew the term Cupcake Colon only due to me getting sick last year. It's something they do for awareness.

I had no idea it was a real thing, heck, I even googled it and found nothing.

I know all too well about cancer scares and I have the scars to prove it. I'm guessing you probably have one like mine that extends down from the center of your ribcage to just below your belly button? I kidded around at the time that I had a belly zipper because that's sorta what it looked like with all the staples in place.

Yep, life is very unpredicatable but that doesn't mean we can't enhance our chances. :)
 

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I had no idea it was a real thing, heck, I even googled it and found nothing.

I know all too well about cancer scares and I have the scars to prove it. I'm guessing you probably have one like mine that extends down from the center of your ribcage to just below your belly button? I kidded around at the time that I had a belly zipper because that's sorta what it looked like with all the staples in place.

Yep, life is very unpredicatable but that doesn't mean we can't enhance our chances. :)

It's on google actually, just looked since that's where we got a few ideas from for an awareness day party. I thought it was a total joke myself the first time I had heard of it. I was Cupcake who? Colon? Thought they had lost their minds, nope, it was real. LOL

Oh yeah, the beauty of a midline from a lapa not lapro! Mine just a wee bit farther than yours, lucky me!! Yay!! Not!!! I call it my "Scar of Life" since it is! No belly button but hey, once was a place to bring me here and now a scar to keep me here. It's all on how you perceive it. The zipper thing was funny. I thought of the same thing with all of my staples as well. Looked like a mended rag doll in the hospital! I'm sure you are happy for yours as well. No shame to have one! :)

Life will spin in a heartbeat! We never know! Vaping is now my enhancement, that's a fact plus being able to be back riding. Gives me my sense of freedom once again. A year down with a walker is no fun at all! We must enjoy our few days here while we have them! :)
 

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Oh okay, I get in now, you must mean actual cupcakes as in Colon Cupcakes ... I think I did see that but didn't pay any attention to it since it was from some kind of bakery site.:facepalm:

Agreed, nothing to be ashamed of and the surgeon did a pretty good job of minimizing the damage. It pretty much follows the natural contour between the abs but it does look a little odd where they had to go around the belly button, lol.

Absolutely my friend! I'm pretty certain I've added a few extra days just by switching to vaping. ;)
 

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My bad Jenn, I wasn't trying to make light of your situation, I was trying to be funny with a made up disease ( Cupcake Colon ) much like one we heard not too long ago, Cottage Cheese Lung. In the case of the latter, I'm pretty sure they meant Popcorn Lung which of course, hasn't been found to be an issue for vapers despite attempts to promote it as a potential risk.

In any event, I hope none of those factors ever come into play for you and you wind up proving your family wrong by living a long and happy life. :)
I coughed up pop corn one time. Stuffed my face with it and almost choked. May not be the same. Lol
 

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Oh okay, I get in now, you must mean actual cupcakes as in Colon Cupcakes ... I think I did see that but didn't pay any attention to it since it was from some kind of bakery site.:facepalm:

Agreed, nothing to be ashamed of and the surgeon did a pretty good job of minimizing the damage. It pretty much follows the natural contour between the abs but it does look a little odd where they had to go around the belly button, lol.

Absolutely my friend! I'm pretty certain I've added a few extra days just by switching to vaping. ;)

Yes, the Colon Cupcakes for awareness. But colon cupcakes on cupcake flavored juice is real!!!!! :) I laughed at the thought as well, never heard of it before either. The look on my face that day should have been photographed.:teehee:

The scar is just what it is, a plain scar to me. So glad they took a detour on you! They apparently just sliced me and forgot the detour to take. Haha, it's funny now to think of. They can really do great work going along the natural contours. Mine was rather a biology looking experiment for awhile. You have to take the good with the bad. Scars heal up as they age. You and I are just two people in a world full of those type battle wounds. By nature we have our vanity, but when the going gets tough, it's just a scar. It's not the person.

Yes, you do have a few extra days added on.;) I think everyone here is saving their lives.:D Not what the government thinks, but we are. I'm very proud to have my surgeon that encourages it to quit. Same surgeon told me that the patch in the hospital wouldn't work, he was right! On another post somewhere I had mentioned about the hospital being very vape friendly over smoking. They allow you to vape right out front and the smokers must walk over two blocks to public property to get their fix. :)
 

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Popcorn Lung is actually a real thing but not attributable to Vaping and I hate to see people joke about it since Obliterative bronchiolitis almost killed my Father due to his years of being a smoker causing Emphysema.
 

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Popcorn Lung is actually a real thing but not attributable to Vaping and I hate to see people joke about it since Obliterative bronchiolitis almost killed my Father due to his years of being a smoker causing Emphysema.

I can totally agree. I could be terribly wrong but wasn't there only one person with this? Then that was years ago I thought...
 

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I coughed up pop corn one time. Stuffed my face with it and almost choked. May not be the same. Lol

Funny! That's about as close to Popcorn anything that someone gets from vaping! Eating and choking over popcorn. Research took one incident and blew it up!
I guess we are just bad people now vs analog users. LOL :)
 

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Popcorn Lung is actually a real thing but not attributable to Vaping and I hate to see people joke about it since Obliterative bronchiolitis almost killed my Father due to his years of being a smoker causing Emphysema.
My father died from emphasema and asbestos exposure while in the navy. Seems like an eternity ago now. 25 yrs
 

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I can totally agree. I could be terribly wrong but wasn't there only one person with this? Then that was years ago I thought...

It was years ago (if memory serves me right) that workers in a factory that were exposed to excessive amounts of Di-acetyl. But Obliterative bronchiolitis is a real thing and it can be called popcorn lung. Just for me it isn't a joking matter since I maintain and monitor my Dad's Oxygen 24/7/365.
 

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It was years ago (if memory serves me right) that workers in a factory that were exposed to excessive amounts of Di-acetyl. But Obliterative bronchiolitis is a real thing and it can be called popcorn lung. Just for me it isn't a joking matter since I maintain and monitor my Dad's Oxygen 24/7/365.

I can hardly remember the facts as well on that case. I thought it was related to something else as well, must have been the exposure there.

Yes I can totally understand you whenever you have to deal with such issues. It's a sore spot whenever I hear people using that terminology on that loosely, like our government or those who think Popcorn Lung is directly linked. Whenever you see it for yourself you automatically become an advocate. My heart goes out to you for caregiving to a parent, it's very tough indeed. Been there and doing it again here. :oops:
 

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My heart goes out to you for caregiving to a parent, it's very tough indeed. Been there and doing it again here. :oops:

What really sucked was my being sick earlier this week and taking care of both Dad and Mom who picked up a stomach bug. So real fun when all I wanted to do was sleep and having to get out of bed to check on them. But I just look on the bright side and that is I have them here to take care of and look after. Sucks when you don't.
 

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