How to use wattage controls and airflow openings?

Lone_Dawg · Nov 19, 2018

Hello! I recently put my hands on the Aspire Zelos 50W kit and so far I'm really glad with it. I like to use it at 18W with 2 or 3 airholes fully open. 2 days ago I got continuous dry hits and I don't really know why.
I'm using the .7 coil and I have to refill 2-3 times a day although I don't vape that much.
I recently discovered that when I have my tank fully filled (the liquid is right about where the coil threading starts) I get a satisfying throat hit but as the liquid gets consumed I get less and less of that and I think it's related to wattage controls and the airflow openings.
So.. how do I actually use those correctly?
Thanks in advance!

MannyScoot · Nov 19, 2018

Lone_Dawg said:
Hello! I recently put my hands on the Aspire Zelos 50W kit and so far I'm really glad with it. I like to use it at 18W with 2 or 3 airholes fully open. 2 days ago I got continuous dry hits and I don't really know why.
I'm using the .7 coil and I have to refill 2-3 times a day although I don't vape that much.
I recently discovered that when I have my tank fully filled (the liquid is right about where the coil threading starts) I get a satisfying throat hit but as the liquid gets consumed I get less and less of that and I think it's related to wattage controls and the airflow openings.
So.. how do I actually use those correctly?
Thanks in advance!

Yeah premade coils are strange in that way...... Some might be good but one might vape different than the others.

.70 ohms seems to be good for low wattage but my own opinion would be you are under powering them......

I remember in old days using .50 ohm coils at around 35 to 45 watts.....

Sometimes you might feel you are getting a dry hit at 18 watts when it actually could be an over saturated coil that's not heated enough to produce any vapor and might feel like a dry hit.

A dry hit is really when you apply so much heat that the coil heats up too hot and gives you a burnt wood taste in your mouth..... That's a dry hit a burning taste.......

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gsmit1 · Nov 19, 2018

Not saying this is IT for you, but I've noticed that sometimes the gravity of a full tank pushes the liquid against the wick and at a certain point the liquid consumption can outrun that pressure as the liquid is depleted. That's my considered theory anyway.

MannyScoot · Nov 19, 2018

gsmit1 said:
Not saying this is IT for you, but I've noticed that sometimes the gravity of a full tank pushes the liquid against the wick and at a certain point the liquid consumption can outrun that pressure as the liquid is depleted. That's my considered theory anyway.

Yeah that back pressure or some form of internal pressure (balancing) that can also be controlled with the correct thickness of the wick...... So testing and experimenting is what makes you a professional wicker...... Learn by trial and error........

gsmit1 · Nov 19, 2018

"Back pressure"

I knew it probably had a name I didn't know.

Trial and error is definitely true. My Ijoy Limitless XL took about 40 trials and errors to stop the thing from leaking or dry hitting.

MannyScoot · Nov 19, 2018

gsmit1 said:
"Back pressure"

I knew it probably had a name I didn't know.

Trial and error is definitely true. My Ijoy Limitless XL took about 40 trials and errors to stop the thing from leaking or dry hitting.

Well this pressure is what helps with wicking..... Sometimes there are tanks that you have to flip upside down before completely tightening down the top cap.....

These tanks just piss on themselves after tightening the cap .... Too high ihner pressure.... So heavy cotton is what stops that......

So keep experimenting......

gbalkam · Nov 20, 2018

First thing I would try is open or close your airflow until you get the draw pressure you like. Then, start at very low wattage and bring the wattage up a bit at a time until you have the vapor you like. You may have to adjust this as you vape.
As for filling 2 or 3 times.. remember to always shut off the airflow when you aren't vaping. Otherwise you end up with a pocket full of wasted juice.

Letitia9 · Nov 20, 2018

Could be you aren't topping off the tank soon enough. Fill when the juice level gets down to the juice ports in the coil.

MannyScoot · Nov 23, 2018

Double airflow makes it more challenging.....

Finding the correct mix of side air and bottom air......

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dez · Nov 25, 2018

gsmit1 said:
Not saying this is IT for you, but I've noticed that sometimes the gravity of a full tank pushes the liquid against the wick and at a certain point the liquid consumption can outrun that pressure as the liquid is depleted. That's my considered theory anyway.

That is some out-of-the-box thinking, that's a really intelligent answer that I wouldn't have thought of.
I use pre-made coils on a cheap store- purchased tank at 6 Watts, so I really do not have problems other than: the cheap T3 is tanks I use even when they are right out of the packaging sometimes are unreadable by my vaporizer so I have to take them apart and use them for parts and a lot of them when I turn them upside down to fill them and plug the tip with my finger, leak some on my finger and that happens a lot also which is why I just bought a new Nautilus tank today on sale.
And, my MVP4 wanting to..after a refill, give me a burnt sometimes, so I used to turn it on and off and shake it up a few times in between powering it on and off, and that sometimes worked.
What I just found that does work though.. is when I start to get a harsh hit after filling my t3s tank, I don't put it to my mouth- but I hold the button down for 5 seconds for three times in a row and then I blow into the mouthpiece for a quik second before I put it to my mouth, and then take a hit.. and it's back to normal! Maybe that is the so-called Auntie dry hit technology working if I just let it burn for a minute.
I wish I had figured that out a long time ago. It says it has anti dry hit technology but this is the second one I have owned "the innokin MVP4" and that is not true on either of the ones I have owned.
I have noticed that it does.. when the liquid gets about three or four mm high in the tank, that it does give me less flavor and vapor and I have to hit it harder.. and that maybe the anti dry hit technology they talked about, because that's usually when you need to fill your so that is a reminder to do so, but I'm not sure.

gsmit1 · Nov 26, 2018

dez said:
That is some out-of-the-box thinking, that's a really intelligent answer that I wouldn't have thought of.

Thank you, but you credit me beyond my accomplishments my dear

dez said:
What I just found that does work though.. is when I start to get a harsh hit after filling my t3s tank, I don't put it to my mouth- but I hold the button down for 5 seconds for three times in a row and then I blow into the mouthpiece for a quirk second before I put it to my mouth, and then take a hit.. and it's back to normal!

Hmm. Far be it from me to question somebody's empirical success and I certainly don't know everything, but one would think that what you describe above would actually cause dry hits. (Far above 6 watts nonetheless)

dez said:
...Auntie dry hit...

She must be married to Uncle Spitback

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself)

Maybe I'm really missing something in what you're saying here, but I don't understand how you can be vaping a sub-ohm setup at 6 watts. AND getting dry hits.

Could you maybe explain that a bit more? I'm really just trying to understand.

dez · Nov 26, 2018

gsmit1 said:
Thank you, but you credit me beyond my accomplishments my dear

Hmm. Far be it from me to question somebody's empirical success and I certainly don't know everything, but one would think that what you describe above would actually cause dry hits. (Far above 6 watts nonetheless)

She must be married to Uncle Spitback (Sorry, I couldn't help myself)

Maybe I'm really missing something in what you're saying here, but I don't understand how you can be vaping a sub-ohm setup at 6 watts. AND getting dry hits.

Could you maybe explain that a bit more? I'm really just trying to understand.

I don't vape sub ohm. I hate that and those huge mouthpieces and air so hot.
I Vape on an Innokin MVP4..but only at 6 watts with a Kanger T3S tank and 1.5 coils.

dez · Nov 26, 2018

gsmit1 said:
Thank you, but you credit me beyond my accomplishments my dear

Hmm. Far be it from me to question somebody's empirical success and I certainly don't know everything, but one would think that what you describe above would actually cause dry hits. (Far above 6 watts nonetheless)

She must be married to Uncle Spitback (Sorry, I couldn't help myself)

Maybe I'm really missing something in what you're saying here, but I don't understand how you can be vaping a sub-ohm setup at 6 watts. AND getting dry hits.

Could you maybe explain that a bit more? I'm really just trying to understand.

I can't explain why the technique works when I'm getting burnt hits- which only happens right after I refill my tank..but it seems to reset it or something. Maybe it puts more juice through the coil's cotton since I'm not pulling air into it? I'm really not sure

gsmit1 · Nov 26, 2018

dez said:
I don't vape sub ohm. I hate that and those huge mouthpieces and air so hot.
I Vape on an Innokin MVP4..but only at 6 watts with a Kanger T3S tank and 1.5 coils.

I'm sorry, I had my equipment mixed up. I somehow saw .15 up there. I thought you were talking about something else. My fault

dez said:
I can't explain why the technique works when I'm getting burnt hits- which only happens right after I refill my tank..but it seems to reset it or something. Maybe it puts more juice through the coil's cotton since I'm not pulling air into it? I'm really not sure

I don't know either and I have no experience with your style of setup and therefore should leave it to somebody else.

That's what I get for chiming in when I don't know what I'm talking about. :huh:

dez · Nov 29, 2018

gsmit1 said:
I'm sorry, I had my equipment mixed up. I somehow saw .15 up there. I thought you were talking about something else. My fault

I don't know either and I have no experience with your style of setup and therefore should leave it to somebody else.

That's what I get for chiming in when I don't know what I'm talking about.

Actually you are not far off, what I am doing is just when it starts to have some malfunction with the computer chip, which happened with the exact same same exact one that died on me before, is hold down the button four five seconds three times in a row, and it seems to clear out or reset whatever the problem is. It only happens after I take the tank off and put it back on, so it has something to do with that triggering a problem.

nadalama · Dec 8, 2018

dez said:
Actually you are not far off, what I am doing is just when it starts to have some malfunction with the computer chip, which happened with the exact same same exact one that died on me before, is hold down the button four five seconds three times in a row, and it seems to clear out or reset whatever the problem is. It only happens after I take the tank off and put it back on, so it has something to do with that triggering a problem.

Firing your coil for that long (5 seconds, 3 times in a row) is just frying the cotton in your coil, especially if you are not drawing on the tank at the same time. The trick with vaping is to discover how to establish an equilibrium of juice and air and heat. When you draw on an atomizer, you increase the suction inside the tank, which is what helps draw juice into your coil. When you fire the coil without drawing, once you've vaporized the juice that is already on the cotton, you're just burning the coil dry.

Six watts is not enough power for a 1.5 ohm coil. You should try, with a new, primed coil, set your mod at about 10-12W. Start off with your airflow open about halfway, and adjust it from there to get the draw you want.

Don't wait until your tank is completely out of juice before you top it off again. When you do refill, give the tank a few minutes before you apply heat to your coil. I think your coil is getting too dry, then you are adding juice (which just sits there until you draw on it), then frying it, then getting dry hits and a burnt taste because your coil is dry and you haven't waited for the new juice you just added to saturate the coil. At any rate, once the cotton is burnt, it's going to taste like crap from then on, and you might as well toss the coil and prime a new one.

One additional thing you can do, if you think your coil is dry: make sure there's plenty of juice in the tank, then turn the tank's airflow completely off (or cover up the airflow slots with your fingers), and WITHOUT APPLYING ANY HEAT, draw hard on the tank three or four times. This will draw juice into the coil without burning it. Don't do it more than three or four times, though. You'll flood the coil.

gsmit1 · Dec 8, 2018

I knew I was forgetting a response I owed somebody.

dez · Dec 8, 2018

nadalama said:
Firing your coil for that long (5 seconds, 3 times in a row) is just frying the cotton in your coil, especially if you are not drawing on the tank at the same time. The trick with vaping is to discover how to establish an equilibrium of juice and air and heat. When you draw on an atomizer, you increase the suction inside the tank, which is what helps draw juice into your coil. When you fire the coil without drawing, once you've vaporized the juice that is already on the cotton, you're just burning the coil dry.

Six watts is not enough power for a 1.5 ohm coil. You should try, with a new, primed coil, set your mod at about 10-12W. Start off with your airflow open about halfway, and adjust it from there to get the draw you want.

Don't wait until your tank is completely out of juice before you top it off again. When you do refill, give the tank a few minutes before you apply heat to your coil. I think your coil is getting too dry, then you are adding juice (which just sits there until you draw on it), then frying it, then getting dry hits and a burnt taste because your coil is dry and you haven't waited for the new juice you just added to saturate the coil. At any rate, once the cotton is burnt, it's going to taste like crap from then on, and you might as well toss the coil and prime a new one.

One additional thing you can do, if you think your coil is dry: make sure there's plenty of juice in the tank, then turn the tank's airflow completely off (or cover up the airflow slots with your fingers), and WITHOUT APPLYING ANY HEAT, draw hard on the tank three or four times. This will draw juice into the coil without burning it. Don't do it more than three or four times, though. You'll flood the coil.

Well the tank I'm having that problem with is the t3s from Tanger, and it does not have adjustable airflow. The only time I have a problem with it is when I go to fill the tank but I don't let it get all the way in empty I still leave it a third full and then feel it and when I put it back on after just taking it off for a second I have to push a button to tell my mom had that I'm using the same kind of coil as last time and then after I take a few hits is when it gets me the burnt taste and the only way to get rid of it that I have found is firing it draw a few times and it seems to reset whatever problem it is because it's not a problem with the coil I don't think since I don't ever have that problem until I take the tank off to fill it and then put it back on and it doesn't happen when I put a brand new coil in either.

I was having a problem on my new Aspire Nautilus trying to get it to where it didn't give me coughing fits. I'm still working on that by switching juice and trying to use it around 8.5 Watts instead of 10 or 12 where I had it where it was giving me coughing fits after I used it a few hours the other day with my first juice.

nadalama · Dec 8, 2018

I apologize to the OP, didn't even realize I was hijacking someone else's thread.

gsmit1 · Dec 8, 2018

nadalama said:
I apologize to the OP, didn't even realize I was hijacking someone else's thread.

Oops, you're right and I was double hijacking. I'll save it.

dez · Dec 8, 2018

Me too!

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