Hello, I was wondering if anybody could help me understand how to get more flavor ? What mod or whatever I should use to get mouth punching flavor? I have a Tk18 pen right now and just it always taste burnt not a coil burnt taste though. I’m just trying to figure out what is the best thing for this ? Thank you! Either a mod or a build somebody can tell me about? The pen isn’t cutting it, I’ll use it maybe 4 times and the flavor will vanish. The coils are to cheap. Just anybody help thank you!
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It sounds like you might want to get an RDA. There are many vendors of RDAs online. A good RDA might cost anywhere from $10 to $30 USD but will be worth the investment.
Let me also say here, in my opinion what are considered "tanks" or clear-o-mizers don't really put an umph on flavor. Other folks got different opinions and that's alright for them.
You might find a decent tank. If you do, enjoy it and let us know. This is why I suggested RDAs though, as per my preference to flavors. Yeah, I know I vape a lot of unflavored juice, how would I know? *chuckles* Well, I've used tanks and rda, so I do know, have vaped flavored juice as well too.
You'll also want to look for a mod that allows you to swap out batteries. There's all kinds of mods out there. Noting it seems you're starting out I'd suggest looking for what is called a regulated mod. Good mod ought to run around $20 - $50 or so. You can imho avoid temperature control as a feature of a mod out of the consideration. In other words, I don't think anybody really needs it as much as marketing hype might suggest they do.
Steer yourself away from the ones described as mechanical mods for the time being. Let yourself come to those gradually as learn more about vaping, if you even do get to them. It is perfectly fine to not use mechanical mods and many do not.
Do a search for Mooch's Battery tests and learn about batteries, even if you use a regulated mod. You'll need to know which are good batteries to use, as in ones that are considered reasonably safe. You'll also learn about safe handling of batteries. I'll list a few reputable online battery vendors below.
Good basic wire would be Kanthal. Try some 26 awg size, it does up real nice. You might gradually get to using NiChrome 80, maybe some stainless steel. Kanthal though is good wire to start out on.
Apologies for not stating specifics here. Many folks on the forum hold a view that specifics are just that, specific. What they mean is what suits one person might not suit the next ten people. Vaping is subjective and we each kind of need to find our own way in it. I've been using mechanical mods a little while now, not paying too much attention to regulated ones. So, I'm not sure I could guide you clear enough to a good flavor producing mod.
Actually flavor production lies in the atty (atomizer), which, in and of itself can be a bit of artistry. There's a few different subjective factors to consider to get mouth punching flavor. You need a good coil build, good wicking, decent juice, proper airflow, good barometric pressure and so on.
And it might seem frustrating to try figuring it all out, but it can also be fun. Take yourself out of the equation. An RDA or Tank isn't out to get you, it's a piece of material. The coil wire, oh no, watch out that stuff has ties to the most repressive regimes on the planet. It's not you. We all have to go through finding a good set up. Sometimes up to half a dozen times a day. *chuckles* Yes, it happens.
Let me also say here, in my opinion what are considered "tanks" or clear-o-mizers don't really put an umph on flavor. Other folks got different opinions and that's alright for them.
You might find a decent tank. If you do, enjoy it and let us know. This is why I suggested RDAs though, as per my preference to flavors. Yeah, I know I vape a lot of unflavored juice, how would I know? *chuckles* Well, I've used tanks and rda, so I do know, have vaped flavored juice as well too.You'll also want to look for a mod that allows you to swap out batteries. There's all kinds of mods out there. Noting it seems you're starting out I'd suggest looking for what is called a regulated mod. Good mod ought to run around $20 - $50 or so. You can imho avoid temperature control as a feature of a mod out of the consideration. In other words, I don't think anybody really needs it as much as marketing hype might suggest they do.
Steer yourself away from the ones described as mechanical mods for the time being. Let yourself come to those gradually as learn more about vaping, if you even do get to them. It is perfectly fine to not use mechanical mods and many do not.
Do a search for Mooch's Battery tests and learn about batteries, even if you use a regulated mod. You'll need to know which are good batteries to use, as in ones that are considered reasonably safe. You'll also learn about safe handling of batteries. I'll list a few reputable online battery vendors below.
- https://www.imrbatteries.com/ IMR (I get batteries here & haven't had any issues.)
- https://liionwholesale.com/ LIION (I see this vendor mentioned a lot as being good.)
- https://www.rtdvapor.com/ RTD (Not sure about this vendor, might have heard good on them but don't recall atm.)
- https://www.illumn.com/ ILLumn (They sell flashlights and batteries, good vendor I hear.)
Good basic wire would be Kanthal. Try some 26 awg size, it does up real nice. You might gradually get to using NiChrome 80, maybe some stainless steel. Kanthal though is good wire to start out on.
Apologies for not stating specifics here. Many folks on the forum hold a view that specifics are just that, specific. What they mean is what suits one person might not suit the next ten people. Vaping is subjective and we each kind of need to find our own way in it. I've been using mechanical mods a little while now, not paying too much attention to regulated ones. So, I'm not sure I could guide you clear enough to a good flavor producing mod.
Actually flavor production lies in the atty (atomizer), which, in and of itself can be a bit of artistry. There's a few different subjective factors to consider to get mouth punching flavor. You need a good coil build, good wicking, decent juice, proper airflow, good barometric pressure and so on.
And it might seem frustrating to try figuring it all out, but it can also be fun. Take yourself out of the equation. An RDA or Tank isn't out to get you, it's a piece of material. The coil wire, oh no, watch out that stuff has ties to the most repressive regimes on the planet. It's not you. We all have to go through finding a good set up. Sometimes up to half a dozen times a day. *chuckles* Yes, it happens.
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And a lot of folks are going to poohpooh and contradict this, but... vaping MtL (mouth to lung, where you first pull it into your mouth before or instead of inhaling), using a tight draw, will give you the best flavor, because you're not diluting it with so much air. Yes, there are a few tastebuds in your throat, and even down your esophagus for some unknown distance (I think it varies by individual), but MOST of your tastebuds are in your tongue, mouth, and nose -- taste is about 80% smell, which is why when you have a cold and your nose is completely blocked, you really can't taste anything.
Also, having the airflow DIRECTLY BENEATH the coil will give the best flavor, because the air is going directly over the coil and wick before it hits your mouth. Side- and top-airflow atomizers are just confused, the air just eddies around aimlessly, rather than going directly from the coil and wick to your mouth.
And to further confuse everything since everyone is on this idiot high-VG fad nowadays, higher PG will always provide the best flavor; it's simply a better carrier for flavor. It doesn't need to be extreme, but any PG percentage over 50% will increase the flavor.
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Also, having the airflow DIRECTLY BENEATH the coil will give the best flavor, because the air is going directly over the coil and wick before it hits your mouth. Side- and top-airflow atomizers are just confused, the air just eddies around aimlessly, rather than going directly from the coil and wick to your mouth.
And to further confuse everything since everyone is on this idiot high-VG fad nowadays, higher PG will always provide the best flavor; it's simply a better carrier for flavor. It doesn't need to be extreme, but any PG percentage over 50% will increase the flavor.
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There will be a ton of opinions on this.
So far I’ve found, for me at least, that any thing mesh gives amazing flavors. The Horizontech Falcon tank with M2 or M Triple coils is nice. Freemax Mesh Pro with double or triple coils is nice. Ijoy released a DM-DM coil that is suppose to be on par with the falcon. That’s for premade replaceable coil tanks.
As far as rdas I’m in love with the profile rda. Very easy to use, the mesh strips and cotton can be bought premade. You can also use a variety of other meshes for it, just have to cut it to the proper shape. You can also use any cotton you would like, which is another variable in flavor. I haven’t tried rayon or mesh wicking, but those taste better to some. I only recommend the profile just because of its ease of use for someone new to rebuildables. I still haven’t found a coil set up that equals it. I’ve found some good flavor coils, but Profile still edges them out.
See right now I have a Endrua tk18 and idk if it’s any good or not. I was thinking about getting a RDA, I just don’t know what mod to get.. where I live I think most of the mods in my vape store use already built coils like I think the Ijoy captain is one in the stores near me and G-Priv 2 Mod and other I just don’t know what to get for better flavor from the starter one I bought TK18. Thank you! Might have to dumb down because I’m new to this world
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The mod is the part that powers it, that holds the battery. The atomizer is the part you're confused about. My son had this same jargon difficulty when he started. The reason why the battery-part is called the "mod" is because once people decided that cigalikes just weren't doing the trick, they started doing things like "modifying" flashlight tubes so they could use more powerful batteries to vape with, and the very first dedicated vape mods still resembled flashlight tubes (some still do)... before mod makers started putting them into boxes, which were called "box mods."
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So I can buy any mod it won’t matter just I need a good atomizer ?
I was going to buy any mod and put a RDA atomizer on the top will that work ? Thank you very much for explaining I’m really new to this the Endura was my first and it’s just a small pen.
In my opinion you need a Variable Wattage or Temperature Control device and the ability to adjust air flow and wattage or temperature. Forget that Build it it will taste better BS. I have built some of the craziest coils and I can achieve the same or better flavor from a simple above Ohm MTL device like @AndriaD recommends or a Sub Ohm TC tank. It ain't the tool or device it is the person using it. Good Luck~!
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I agree, you need a mod that will allow you to adjust the vape, and I highly recommend a regular wattage-adjustable rather than temp-control; temp control gives even very experienced vapers a hard time to get it just right; it's not the right vape for a newbie. And an atomizer than allows you to adjust the airflow; if you want the draw to feel similar to a cigarette, then I recommend a Berserker RTA, or a Caiman v4 RDA -- both require building coils. There is an atomizer called the Nautilus which allows you to simply drop in premade coils; I never liked it, but others have had good luck with it; it can be adjusted from very tight to fairly open.
The Nautilus or the Berserker can be bought from many US vendors so it wouldn't take long to get it; the Caiman v4 is only available from 3FVape, in China, so it will take a couple weeks to get it.
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The Nautilus or the Berserker can be bought from many US vendors so it wouldn't take long to get it; the Caiman v4 is only available from 3FVape, in China, so it will take a couple weeks to get it.
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The right MOD will allow use of TC Mode without having to setup it up for the batteries just to power on like my first DNA Device. My iStick has TC mode but I think I used it once it is a Wattage MOD for me. I have Aliens that do TC with no fiddling required but using TC does require more knowledge than just screwing ina coil and setting the Wattage or Temperature. One reason so many reviewers knock MOD's because they don't know how to use them correctly. Just my opinion from personal experience disproving what I saw in a review.
Is Mesh a good idea for a newbie? I never used a Mesh Coil myself but are they that care free maybe I should try one?
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I think the driptip is much too fat on that tank, to be anything like a cigarette. Might work if he was trying to get off cigars. The Nautilus, Berserker, and Caiman have much more slender driptops, for a proper MtL vape, rather than a "huff."
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The Wotofo Profile is a nice little mesh device that I would call beginner friendly. It comes with a tool to shape the coils and if you use their pre made coils its pretty much fool proof.
Still I wouldn't have a problem but I don't think it is a good suggestion for a newbie.
It doesn’t have to pull like a cigarette I have 0 nicotine in my vape so I just do it as a hobby I guess you could say just trying to figure out the best way to get maximum flavor because I mean that’s the main reason I vape is for flavor haha. Thank you everybody just let me know if y’all think of any good things I could do for maximum flavor I appreciate it
I guess that depends if one specifically wants mtl, then obviously no....but I think its perfectly fine for a newbie. And honestly I think mesh coils are actually more "user friendly"....for newbies. The mesh beds in much faster/efficiently than regular coils IMO and start producing fantastic flavor just after a few full drags.
why does it have to be like a cig..?? lots of people get off cigs without mtl. For some it is the nic fix that matters.
Not all Newbies are looking for MTL and actually building a Deck is something you really have to want to do. I have a ton of DIY Coil stuff and I can do it with ease but I don't. I would rather be vaping. Started making Clapton's for the 1st I ever made aside from that Asshole JH telling me I was going backwards. Hmmmm making advanced coils to start is going backwards to him but in my mind it is jumping forward with a leap. To each his own opinion though and he lost my respect at that point.
Yeah I don't like building coils or on decks either (it bores me) that is why I am such a fan of the Freemax tanks with mesh coils. I'm a lazy vapor, but I am hoping the W. profile atop my Limelight Gloom clone is gonna kick ass.
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*Most* people need something as similar as they can get, to be really effective. Notice that "most" is not "all". Some want something entirely different, and some new vapers weren't smokers to start with. But *most* who want to quit smoking by using vaping want something pretty similar, or they're not satisfied with it, and won't stick with it.
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I'm sure JH may actually be an allright guy if he would just act normal on video. A lot of reviewers put on a show and they end up coming off like douchey dorks IMO. They all seem to emulate each other and it's corny...."lets dive down and check it out"...."now lets take it back up top"......uugghhh.
Well thats fair enough...I know for me the mtl for some reason just heightened my craving for an actual cig. I spent years going back and forth from ecigs/pens to cigs before I actually tried a mod with DTL style atomizer, which did the trick.
Obviuosly we gotta find what works for the us.
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I've been vaping for nearly 5 yrs, and smoke-free for over 4, and I STILL vape tight-draw MtL, because that's the only thing that satisfies me. I do have other considerations as well, such as asthma, which means if I inhale too much ejuice in a day, even the high-PG I have to use, my breathing suffers for it. So I've never understood the idea of "huffing" the vape -- even if I COULD inhale that much ejuice, it wouldn't satisfy my cravings.
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So what should I do?? I’m just wondering because I’m going to the vape shops Sunday I just need to know what to look for and what to buy? Thank you! Just I don’t want to go and you know spend $100 on a mod that’s just going to be the same as my T18 pen..
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Well... my main advice would be, DON'T buy hardware in a shop, because you'll pay 50%-200% more than it's really worth. Shops have ungodly overhead! The only hardware I've ever bought in a shop are driptips -- $4.25 instead of 99 cents, but I can afford $4.25!
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Yep, right!
Exactly, and there's a metric ton of gear for options too. If you get something and it sucks for you, come here, tell everyone what you got and ask for a shipping address. you can Pay It Forward, or trade for something different. Plenty here don't mind doing either. I bought an RDA that wound shipped out to a brother in FL. It just wasn't what I wanted, he was happy to get it, I was happy to send it.
The adverts for it kind of tricked me, sometimes that happens.Ah, that sounds like good wisdom there. Even being a bit of an older hand at vaping I'd probably pick this kit up if I was looking to try mesh. I know @jwill isn't going to suggest something that's junk for anybody.
Well there goes my hopes of future employment in a vape shop. LOL
You're correct though, brick and mortar shops over charge on average. Of course, as you say as well, it's the overhead that eats them up.
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Well there goes my hopes of future employment in a vape shop. LOL
Yes, and it's kinda worth it if you're trying out new ejuice flavors, because until/unless you already know you like a given flavor from a given maker, buying ejuice online is a total pig in a poke, and leads to a lot of wasted money.
But hardware? No fucking way. Why would I pay $100 for something I can get for less than $50 online? It's totally insane.
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Oh yeah, I agree 125%. Know what else is insane?
Too many damn years wasted doing this, --> 
.I am learning though. Sometimes like @JuicyLucy so eloquently put it you just have say, ... Fuck It! Then, walk away and go do something else.
That has always been difficult for me too, the saying fuck it. Some care not at all, others well, we, ... you know. Well I need my damn coffee mama, been up since like 3. Crashed at around eh, 11 I think. Need to also get a load of dishes done. I might even do that writing stuff later today. hm, maybe. I just need to get something going.
Hope y'all doin a'ight down yon. Keeps ya safe and pass the hugs on.
I've always been a cotton guy but for the past two weeks I've been using Rayon in both of my profiles. It rocks. The flavor is superior and it lasts. I use sweetener in every juice I make to varying degrees and it'll beat up the cotton so that I have to change every couple of days. The Rayon is not affected and I've just gone 5 days with one wick and it looks as the good as the first day.
I made the switch to rayon yesterday and I have not been dissatisfied. Rayon with SS meshand tc, flavor has been phenomenal and no dry hits at all.
You can buy a wotofo chieftain at element vape right now for like $15. 80w mod that takes 26650 or 18650 batteries. I bought one just for the hell of it. I'll use it as a loaner at worst.
Point is you don't have fo spend much at all to get a quality vape. Unless you buy from a local shop, then you do...lol
Point is you don't have fo spend much at all to get a quality vape. Unless you buy from a local shop, then you do...lol
My order containing SS mesh has just shipped today, I'm looking forward to it. What gauge are you using?
A4 #400 is what I got from freedom smokes. It has been really good.
Rayon is really nice. I got into using it when I started using a Smok RSST genny style atty. The only other material which might give it a run is the Ready X wick. I swap back and forth between cotton and rayon. Sometimes for me the rayon seems a bit drying and harsh to the vapor. I know that might seem odd, probably just "me thing" too. I'm a bit more in tune with texture over flavor, and yep, vapor has texture.
Infinite Wicks on ebay sells good wick material. Been a while since I got from there but it was alright.