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FDA against RDA's RDTA's?

I heard this claim a few times now at few different shops in my town. That one reason they dont carry any or very many of the new RTA's or RDTA's (rebuildable tanks making your own coils etc.) is due to the FDA. Personally I think it's pure b.s. and just a choice shops are making in not carrying the newest, better rebuildable tanks. Please let me know some facts. Tia
 

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It's just not reasonable for shops to try and carry all the latest products. There's just too much. Then if the products don't sell the shop has to find space for the excess inventory until it sells. Then there's the amount of people that choose to buy online which would hurt shop sales. Shops also need to charge more due to the overhead. The shops where I live carry a very limited inventory on rebuildables and mainly focus on the most popular mods, attys and juices.
 

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The shops keep close track of their inventory and whatever sells is what they stock. Makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Feeding someone a line of horse hockey is entirely different.
 

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Their full of shit. These B&Ms barely carry batteries other than 18650s. FDA doesn't care about atomizers nor do they have any authority over them.
 

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Actually... anything that was made after 2007 is directly in the FDA's sites, as the regulations stand right now. There have been a few efforts in Congress to try and get the "grandfather date" pushed back to something more reasonable like 2016, but so far, none of it has passed.

Andria
 

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Actually... anything that was made after 2007 is directly in the FDA's sites, as the regulations stand right now. There have been a few efforts in Congress to try and get the "grandfather date" pushed back to something more reasonable like 2016, but so far, none of it has passed.

Andria
FDA doesn't even have authority over drugs and it has drug right in the name. They are over Food and medicine. BATF is over tobacco products but you can't claim atomizers are tobacco products because the nicotine isn't a requirement. Most people don't know this but nothing can be banned in the US without a constitutional amendment because if it not enumerated in the constitution it a right retained by the people. If its a right surely FDA is guilty of the crime of conspiracy against rights (felony). FDA has been protecting corporations not people for decades
 

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Before I do something stupid and get publicly chastised, if I repost a link in here that 5150sick has in a different thread, am I gonna get my head cut off? And yes I read the rules.
 
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FDA doesn't even have authority over drugs and it has drug right in the name. They are over Food and medicine. BATF is over tobacco products but you can't claim atomizers are tobacco products because the nicotine isn't a requirement. Most people don't know this but nothing can be banned in the US without a constitutional amendment because if it not enumerated in the constitution it a right retained by the people. If its a right surely FDA is guilty of the crime of conspiracy against rights (felony). FDA has been protecting corporations not people for decades

Sure, the FDA is guilty of any number of egregious outrages against the American people... but they're a law unto themselves, apparently. They need to be wiped out with extreme prejudice, but I really don't see that happening.

Andria
 

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Before I do something stupid and get publicly chastised, if I repost a link in here that 5150sick has in a different thread, am I gonna get my head cut off? And yes I read the rules.

Not at all, post away! :)

Andria
 

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FDA doesn't even have authority over drugs and it has drug right in the name. They are over Food and medicine. BATF is over tobacco products but you can't claim atomizers are tobacco products because the nicotine isn't a requirement. Most people don't know this but nothing can be banned in the US without a constitutional amendment because if it not enumerated in the constitution it a right retained by the people. If its a right surely FDA is guilty of the crime of conspiracy against rights (felony). FDA has been protecting corporations not people for decades

You seem to have overlooked that one of the most important rights in the US is Habeas Corpus. This fundamental right has been ignored many, many times by the Feds since 2001. If they can get away with that, then the FDA overstepping its authority is peanuts. If the FDA wants to call atomizers a tobacco product, then they will. It'll take a federal court to put a stop to that and good luck to anyone who wants to try that route. It would take a massive amount of money to get it accomplished.
 

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You seem to have overlooked that one of the most important rights in the US is Habeas Corpus. This fundamental right has been ignored many, many times by the Feds since 2001. If they can get away with that, then the FDA overstepping its authority is peanuts. If the FDA wants to call atomizers a tobacco product, then they will. It'll take a federal court to put a stop to that and good luck to anyone who wants to try that route. It would take a massive amount of money to get it accomplished.
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Grandpa

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BATF is over tobacco products but you can't claim atomizers are tobacco products because the nicotine isn't a requirement. Most people don't know this but nothing can be banned in the US without a constitutional amendment because if it not enumerated in the constitution it a right retained by the people. If its a right surely FDA is guilty of the crime of conspiracy against rights (felony). FDA has been protecting corporations not people for decades

I pray that ATF never gets in on vaping or vaping products. The ATF is corrupt and cruel and evil. They will turn all of us into criminals with the stroke of a pen and then spend billions making our lives a living hell.

I have no use for ATF. I have friends and family who have suffered at the hands of ATF for no other reason than being at the mercy of a gummint alphabet agency that is totally out of control.
 

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yeah I know that may have sounded stupid but I've seen narcissistic jackasses in a forum I was in about 12 years ago get their collective asses in a knot over something that simple. Figured I'd play it safe.

By the way ... :finger: :giggle: just kidding
 

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5150sick posted this in a different thread. A LOT of reading some good some bad. The bad really pisses me off.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/09/vaping-e-cigarette-fda-advertising-facts.html

I went and read the article, and it's fandamntastic. Unfortunately the commentors seem to be about 1/4 pro-vaping, and 3/4 ignorant puritan smoke-nazis. They make me sick, they're so fucking holier-than-thou and so CERTAIN that they're right. Certainty is the enemy of real knowledge, but a fascist's best friend.

Andria
 

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Oh $#!% ... hope I don't get... ummm ... the lights just went out

Normally happens when I miss the like button (on my phone it’s really close to the spam button) so many times now, poor souls lost in the abyss

...if you get a like you just dodged a bullet :giggle:
 

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Normally happens when I miss the like button (on my phone it’s really close to the spam button) so many times now, poor souls lost in the abyss


...if you get a like you just dodged a bullet





Whew!!! :bliss:[/QUOTE]
 

Pony Tail

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I went and read the article, and it's fandamntastic. Unfortunately the commentors seem to be about 1/4 pro-vaping, and 3/4 ignorant puritan smoke-nazis. They make me sick, they're so fucking holier-than-thou and so CERTAIN that they're right. Certainty is the enemy of real knowledge, but a fascist's best friend.

Andria


When it got to the part about what specific information could NOT be disemanated is what really got under my skin. More like a gag order.
 

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When it got to the part about what specific information could NOT be disemanated is what really got under my skin. More like a gag order.

Exactly, I've been saying for some time that the FDA is violating the first amendment with that. But it takes a lot of money to pay the sharks, I mean the vampires, I mean lawyers, to argue anything in court. :facepalm:

Andria
 

Ralph_K

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You seem to have overlooked that one of the most important rights in the US is Habeas Corpus. This fundamental right has been ignored many, many times by the Feds since 2001. If they can get away with that, then the FDA overstepping its authority is peanuts. If the FDA wants to call atomizers a tobacco product, then they will. It'll take a federal court to put a stop to that and good luck to anyone who wants to try that route. It would take a massive amount of money to get it accomplished.
Habeas Corpus has been suspended for a long time now. That is what NDAA does
 

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