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VapinSteveO

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So before I start gertin into DIY I saw a kit on Vapewild for 40 or so.. Is that a good place to start to get a kit. I want make some juice thay might give me some momentum into doing it on a regular basis so basically Is The vape wild diy okay or does some other website have a diy kit that is decent to make some juice flavors till i decide to buy a good amount meaning flavor good an u gey the measuring eith out having to gey scales yet an that in-depth stuff. Once i make some that is so so i invest more nut wsnt flavoring to be decent.. just want like a strawberry sometbing simple..Alsoi onlg vPe at 6mg... Thank you for ur hep

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I don't know about vapewild. I got my kit at www.nicotineriver.com
You get everything you need to get started to make your own juice. I went there for better price on kit and more flavor choices

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I dont think a kit is absolutely necessary. You can grab pieces at a time from various places and get all of what you need generally for less $$$ than a kit you grab somewhere.
 
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jwill said:
I dont think a kit is absolutely necessary. You can grab pieces at a time from various places and get all of what you need generally for less $$$ than a kit you grab somewhere.
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I like piecing stuff together also because kits never have exactly what you need or everything you need or even enough of what you need. The idea has always been cool but in my mind, a good kit should run at least $100.00 if not more if that is what you are making a starter kit. You will need the basics PG/VG and Nic, enough flavors to make some recipes not just "commonly used" flavors or "Top 10" flavors. You will need a scale and something to calibrate that scale, or enough syringes and pipettes to make it worth putting in the kit and the list goes on. Long story short in all the years I've done DIY I've yet to see a true starter kit offered with stuff you will actually use.
 
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I went with the Liquid Barn DIY Starter Kit because of the complete all in one place purchase with enough liquid to make 1,400 MLs. Worked for me. Good Luck
 
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VapinSteveO said:
Is that a good place to start to get a kit.
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I asked the same thing when I first started mixing. I thought it would be convenient to get the stuff from one place. I'm glad that I didn't do it.

If you know what type of juice you'd like to make search for popular recipes. Get the specific flavors for a few to get you started. Besides the VU DIY recipe section, here's couple of sites to look for recipes-
http://e-liquid-recipes.com
https://alltheflavors.com


I'd recomend getting 100MG per ML nicotine (If you use any). This is plenty to get you started for ten bucks- http://www.vaperstek.org/120-ml-eu-sourced-nicotine-100-mg-usp-ep/

You can get VG and PG from any number of places. The more pouplar flavor sites offer it in various amounts. I use these sites for getting my flavors-

  • https://www.bullcityflavors.com- Best in the buisness IMO. Super fast getting your orders on the way. Good prices on stuff and really good customer service.
  • https://www.ecigexpress.com- Their site sucks to navigate but it's a good store. They offer Jungle Flavors (A very good brand) not available at BCF. Good weekend sales each week as well.
  • https://www.nicotineriver.com- This site offers nicotine and bases (VG/PG), at good prices. They also have an exclusive brand called Purilum. They don't ship very fast compared to the other two above.

If you don't have a scale and plan on measuring by volume, most of the sites above offer syringes and pipettes.

You're gunna need bottles to mix in. Smaller ones are better for trying new stuff. When I started I just washed out, and resued old ones I had. You probably don't want to mix big batches right away. If you don't like it or make a mistake you can waste a lot of supplies. I read comments all the time about people mad, dumping out bottles of stuff they don't like.

I'm probably forgetting something but I think I covered most of it. Oh and don't get caught up in trying flavors cuz they sound good. Also don't buy flavors because of the picture displayed by it. You are going to have to read quite a bit to be successful at this.
 
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Okay great. Im going to check it out. Defiantly agree with mixing up small batches first along the lines of 10ml or so. I defiantly agree with you on trial an error. Thanks you for all your information.

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VapinSteveO said:
Okay great. Im going to check it out. Defiantly agree with mixing up small batches first along the lines of 10ml or so. I defiantly agree with you on trial an error. Thanks you for all your information.
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I started making only 10ML testers but found them to not be enough to taste a sample and have room for tweaking. So I now use 15ML bottles as the smallest. Many times I will make a 30ML tester because it just sounded or smelled so good.
 
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Essentially, what do we need? I use syringes, so I need at least one of 1ml, 5ml, 10ml, and 30ml. That's about maybe $10 at most. We need measuring beakers - another $10 at most. PG and VG - let's say $20 for a 16oz bottle of each. Nicotine - $8.95 for 4oz of 18mg/ml. Bottles - another $10. Then choose the flavors from known good recipes. That's probably around $30. So we're at around $90 to get started buying equipment separately, plus we get to choose what flavors we want.

After a while we know we'll need multiple syringes and stuff wears out, but they can be replaced piecemeal. We'll need more flavors and PG/VG/Nic, but eventually we'll buy that in larger sizes as we define our recipes more. I buy my VG and PG in 10 lb bottles for very cheap and the 100 mg/ml nicotine is more cost effective. I buy the larger sizes of ingredients for my favorite recipes, plus smaller sizes for ones I want to experiment with.

So yeah, I'm for buying separately rather than a kit where one is beholden to whatever they put in the kit, even if you do get to choose the flavors.
 
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zeeter said:
Essentially, what do we need? I use syringes, so I need at least one of 1ml, 5ml, 10ml, and 30ml. That's about maybe $10 at most. We need measuring beakers - another $10 at most. PG and VG - let's say $20 for a 16oz bottle of each. Nicotine - $8.95 for 4oz of 18mg/ml. Bottles - another $10. Then choose the flavors from known good recipes. That's probably around $30. So we're at around $90 to get started buying equipment separately, plus we get to choose what flavors we want.

After a while we know we'll need multiple syringes and stuff wears out, but they can be replaced piecemeal. We'll need more flavors and PG/VG/Nic, but eventually we'll buy that in larger sizes as we define our recipes more. I buy my VG and PG in 10 lb bottles for very cheap and the 100 mg/ml nicotine is more cost effective. I buy the larger sizes of ingredients for my favorite recipes, plus smaller sizes for ones I want to experiment with.

So yeah, I'm for buying separately rather than a kit where one is beholden to whatever they put in the kit, even if you do get to choose the flavors.
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For the same $90 you can get a scale, some glass stirring rods and some nice glass beakers and have to buy once and get a better more consistent mix. There is no cross contamination from flavor remnants in the syringes and the e-liquid calculators are all fairly accurate in their weights so it becomes paint by numbers and saves so much time.
 
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jwill said:
For the same $90 you can get a scale, some glass stirring rods and some nice glass beakers and have to buy once and get a better more consistent mix. There is no cross contamination from flavor remnants in the syringes and the e-liquid calculators are all fairly accurate in their weights so it becomes paint by numbers and saves so much time.
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Yep. If I was making in bulk I'd probably use a scale though I am very careful with cross-contamination. Only certain syringes for certain things, plus I flush each one with distilled water after each use and do a quick dry. In a perfect world I'd have a dedicated syringe for each flavor but for just me it works fine.

I pour the VG, PG, and Nic into beakers and draw from there rather than drawing from the containers. Plus I do all of the nicotine and VG at the same time, since it's the same for each recipe, so there's no chance of cross contamination from there. Only real chance is with the flavors, but again, I'm very careful with that.
 
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zeeter said:
Yep. If I was making in bulk I'd probably use a scale though I am very careful with cross-contamination. Only certain syringes for certain things, plus I flush each one with distilled water after each use and do a quick dry. In a perfect world I'd have a dedicated syringe for each flavor but for just me it works fine.

I pour the VG, PG, and Nic into beakers and draw from there rather than drawing from the containers. Plus I do all of the nicotine and VG at the same time, since it's the same for each recipe, so there's no chance of cross contamination from there. Only real chance is with the flavors, but again, I'm very careful with that.
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Different strokes for different folks. A scale is literally 10,000 times better than syringes or eyeballing by volume. I waited forever to start scale mixing after having done it by volume and by syringe and wish I had done the scale from the beginning. Volume of the mix is irrelevant with a scale. It gets used for 15 ml or 1,500 ml. Its hand down just a better, more precise and infinitely more consistent. For a beginner it is a great way to start immediately with successful mixes and without a lot of hassle. All of your "careful time" is no longer wasted having to be careful. You just match the numbers on the paper to the numbers on the scale and off to the races.

No matter how careful you are, there is always the possibility of cross contamination. I recently found out that the scale I have has a 10 year warranty. It will outlive your syringes by a very, very long time and the end result will be better.
 
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jwill said:
Different strokes for different folks. A scale is literally 10,000 times better than syringes or eyeballing by volume. I waited forever to start scale mixing after having done it by volume and by syringe and wish I had done the scale from the beginning. Volume of the mix is irrelevant with a scale. It gets used for 15 ml or 1,500 ml. Its hand down just a better, more precise and infinitely more consistent. For a beginner it is a great way to start immediately with successful mixes and without a lot of hassle. All of your "careful time" is no longer wasted having to be careful. You just match the numbers on the paper to the numbers on the scale and off to the races.

No matter how careful you are, there is always the possibility of cross contamination. I recently found out that the scale I have has a 10 year warranty. It will outlive your syringes by a very, very long time and the end result will be better.
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Maybe I'll look into getting one. Seems to be what many on here do.
 
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Check out some recipes and try to follow the % and order them and if you´ll be looking forward to be diy-ing for a long have a big batch of VG/PG.
 
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I waited a long time to buy scales also. The one I got from amazon cost me less than 10 bucks and it'll weigh a shade over a pound so I use it for other things than just diy. It's also handy for weighing food portions since I'm diabetic. It's by far the most usefull tool I've bought.
 
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I bought a scale and started doing weight instead of measuring. It is indeed much faster and has far less clean-up. If only I hadn't taken the dripper tips off of all of my flavors so I could fit the syringe inside. I'm using those cheap plastic eye droppers.

Nicotine (VG) and VG can just be poured in from my beakers but anything PG based needs to be dripped in. I've screwed up a few times getting used to how much to add to get a certain weight, but only had to discard one mix over that. The rest were within the margin of error. Another mix I know is screwed up but just with the flavorings so it's worth keeping around.
 
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SteveS45 said:
Might want to check sources before taking suggestions @VapinSteveO

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/four-new-diy-juices-taste-like-butt.373782/page-2#post-1975341
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Oh, you mean that thread where you were being an asshole when I noted some awful recipes I made almost a year ago?

To summarize for those who don't feel like reading it all, I was experimenting as a beginning DIYer and made a few terrible batches. Anyone who ever says that they never made a bad batch when experimenting is a liar. Yet I went on here and admitted it, like the honest person I am. Then I made a very good batch of something and was so proud of it I said, tongue in cheek, that I was going to make it by the gallon.

Well, SteveS45 decided to start asking all kinds of questions. Do I have enough equipment? How am I going to do this? How am I going to do that? Maybe I should settle down. Apparently Steve is unaccustomed to people speaking figuratively. Of course I was not going to make a gallon of it. And even if I was I never said I was going to make it just then.

I had posted in another thread asking about how difficult it would be to make a business out of creating eliquids - just out of curiosity. Well now, according to SteveS45, I'm going from wanting to become a manufacturer to creating bad eliquids to wanting to create a gallon of a good eliquid without enough equipment to do so as if I'm going to start up my business in the next couple of hours.

This is why so many people keep SteveS45 on ignore, which I'll be putting him back on shortly.
 
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@zeeter I honestly think you are the wrong person to be giving advice on making DIY. You are like a giddy little school girl when you actually accomplish something and a poor little offended snowflake the rest of the time. I bet you tossed more bad DIY e-Liquids down the drain then you have made. Glad you saved everyone the reading posting all you BS.
 
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Right. Because I admitted to making four bad e-liquids. Know what? I've made a few more bad e-liquids. Yet in the year since that post I've made countless great e-liquids. I'm sorry that I was so proud of that accomplishment in my post as I did not know it would offend you in such a way. Next time I will be more respectful of your feelings since you appear to become insecure about your own qualities when someone else is proud of their own. I will also remember, when I think you may see a post, that you take every word literally and are unable comprehend when someone is obviously embellishing on their future plans.

Maybe take your condescending posts elsewhere. Your opinions are more useless than a bag of dicks without a handle.
 
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Right. Because I admitted to making four bad e-liquids. Know what? I've made a few more bad e-liquids. Yet in the year since that post I've made countless great e-liquids. I'm sorry that I was so proud of that accomplishment in my post as I did not know it would offend you in such a way. Next time I will be more respectful of your feelings since you appear to become insecure about your own qualities when someone else is proud of their own. I will also remember, when I think you may see a post, that you take every word literally and are unable comprehend when someone is obviously embellishing on their future plans.
Maybe take your condescending posts elsewhere. Your opinions are more useless than a bag of dicks without a handle.
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Al I did was post a link and to tell the OP to check the sources, so go cry in the corner snowflake. I could care less if your feelings are hurt. Go taste some butt..............
 
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Al I did was post a link and to tell the OP to check the sources, so go cry in the corner snowflake. I could care less if your feelings are hurt. Go taste some butt..............
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Essentially what you were doing was talking trash about me but you are a coward because you figured I wouldn't see it. You knew that I had you on ignore because you cried to me about it in a PM after I put you there. Yet when you are the last person to comment on a post I can tell who did it. You got busted talking trash about me behind my back.

Tell me: Are you the guy who stands in a doorway and yells an insult before running away? How many other people do you talk trash about behind their backs? Go away, snowflake. You thought you were in your safe space but you got caught in your cowardice. Now run home to mommy and stop being a troll.
 
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Essentially what you were doing was talking trash about me but you are a coward because you figured I wouldn't see it. You knew that I had you on ignore because you cried to me about it in a PM after I put you there. Yet when you are the last person to comment on a post I can tell who did it. You got busted talking trash about me behind my back.
Tell me: Are you the guy who stands in a doorway and yells an insult before running away? How many other people do you talk trash about behind their backs? Go away, snowflake. You thought you were in your safe space but you got caught in your cowardice. Now run home to mommy and stop being a troll.
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You are some piece of freaking work! Now you think you know everything and can do reviews~! You are a chemist in your own mind you sorry ass weeny. I do not hide snowflake I did not tag or quote you I only posted a link to some of your stupid ass nonsense. Oh I am going to put you on ignore maybe that will make me right?
 
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You are some piece of freaking work! Now you think you know everything and can do reviews~! You are a chemist in your own mind you sorry ass weeny. I do not hide snowflake I did not tag or quote you I only posted a link to some of your stupid ass nonsense. Oh I am going to put you on ignore maybe that will make me right?
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You didn't hide, huh? You didn't think I'd see you talk trash about me. That is literally hiding.
Tell me where I said I was a chemist. Honestly, now you're just making stuff up like a snowflake does when he can't win an argument. Your only ammunition is a post from almost a year ago when I was just getting started in DIY. I can see you now, sitting there in your male romper like a soy-boy thinking you're all big and bad but really just look like a douche. My guess is that your birth certificate is actually an apology from the condom factory.
 
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No, I did not talk trash I said check your sources and provided a link. You forget that it is on the Internet and there forever so anyone to see. Since you decided to quote me and start this nonsense I will just let you keep showing everyone how much of an idiot you are. You saved them lots of reading though~!

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Here you go snowflake.............
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So if I say that a chemical reaction occurs that means I'm trying to be a chemist? If I say something about football does that mean I'm trying to be a football coach? You're really reaching, here. You might not be smart enough to realize this, but it is possible to know things that have nothing to do with one's job. There's a thing called school, where you learn topics that come in handy in life. There's also the Internet. You know, that thing you mentioned just a post or two ago? That's actually a real thing and there's a lot of information on there. You should read it some time.

And that link you referred to earlier had nothing to do with this thread. I was discussing equipment needs, not recipes. So don't pull that shitty excuse. Your talking trash about me behind my back about something that had nothing to do with this thread and more to do with my beginning DIY struggles and that makes you a coward. You want to call me a snowflake? After crying to me about blocking you last year? I actually felt bad for you for a few minutes.
 
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And why are you stalking my posts?
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I am not stalking you dumbass, you forget new posts show up for everybody? I can't help it that your stupid ass comments are there. Boy 3 posts of your baby whining before I can even type this. Damn you really feel so offended. All I did was post a link remember that.
 
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Pussy popcorn?
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Dude, give it up. I gave you the last word but then you pushed further. I had you on ignore because I was tired of your condescending tone and didn't feel like arguing with you anymore.

What kind of loser are you that you would be obsessed enough take the time to find a thread from last year and pin it here to warn everyone about me? And why would you even choose that one? That's the one where I freely admitted that as a newbie I made some bad juices. It doesn't even make me look bad; it just shows I was a beginner.

Is it because I put you on ignore? Get over it. I'm not the only one who has you on ignore, and anyone looking at the thread you pinned would know that.
 
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You just keep going and going you sorry ass piece of shit. Don't need to quote you but it just has to be about you huh? A little insecure in you pitiful existence. Always has to be about you huh? Loving it it no matter what it has to be a shot at the dumbass............
 
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I must warn new members to not take advice from dumbasses, that is only the right thing to do. You just prove I was right.
 
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You must be a liberal. Your posts contain absolutely no logic whatsoever. I'm sorry that you're so obsessed with me. I'm just not into you that way.
 
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You are just a loser...............

Go Political since you have nothing else to go with. Can't think of anything original just what you can pussy out with.
 
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You were done but still feel threatened or offended you little snowflake.
 
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Guys, I get it that you don't like each other. Put each other on ignore and be done with it. Or take it to another place like the mud pit instead of hijacking the OP's thread. Just my 2 cents, that and another couple of bucks will get you a 10ml of flavoring...:giggle:

@VapinSteveO how's the journey down the rabbit hole going? Did you buy a kit or just piece everything together? Just trying to get your thread back on topic.
 
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Gopher it has nothing to do with liking or not, I posted something to help the OP which was check your sources.
 
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