Clarification and Recommendation needed

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

Hi guys!

I’m new here and not yet a vaper. I’ve been a smoker for 5 years and I want to quit so vaping is the best idea.

I’ve been googling and youtubing all what I need to know about vaping, types of vaping, RDA, sub ohm tanks, etc.. however I feel a bit lost to choose what exactly I want.
I don’t like the idea that because I’m new to this I should get a starter kit and go from there, I want to buy what meets my needs exactly from the beginning.

From what I understood of my little research is that RTA is better than RDA but can give a burn hit if one doesn’t pay attention to level of juice in the tank, is that right? Also I still can’t get the mechanism of RTDA, can anyone explain it please?and for those who have tried them all what is the best? I wanna know also wether one can use a high level of nicotine juice with sub ohm tanks? or its flavor won’t show as in RBAs? because i will need the taste of it at first.

Is there a mod that works with every tank type (RTA,RDA,RTDA AND SUB OHM TANKS)? or i have to buy each tank type a separate mod? no specific budget.

man it feels like a whole new science!!

Sorry for the long post that looks like a work email haha.. btw English is not my first language so excuse any mistakes.

Thanks
Rasha

zephyr · Jul 15, 2018

Whew, here goes!

Yep, you can use One mod for every kind of atomizer that has 510 threading

-I recommend a mod with 2 batteries, that will be enough power for sub-ohm builds and also more battery lifespan

The more vapor produced, the lower level nicotine that's recommended. 12mg nicotine may be great for a tiny MTL (mouth to lung) device at 10 watts, but at 20 watts or more it will likely burn your throat. 3 or 6mg is more common for subohm vaping. Even 6mg may be too high for very high power (50 watts or more)

Rebuildable atomizers tend to give more flavor and be cheaper to maintain in the long run than subohm tanks with "factory made" coils

http://vaping360.com/rebuildable-tanks-explained-rbas-vs-rdas-vs-rtas-vs-rdtas/

zephyr · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

Pegleg Meg said:
Whew, here goes!

Yep, you can use One mod for every kind of atomizer that has 510 threading

-I recommend a mod with 2 batteries, that will be enough power for sub-ohm builds and also more battery lifespan

The more vapor produced, the lower level nicotine that's recommended. 12mg nicotine may be great for a tiny MTL (mouth to lung) device at 10 watts, but at 20 watts or more it will likely burn your throat. 3 or 6mg is more common for subohm vaping. Even 6mg may be too high for very high power (50 watts or more)

Rebuildable atomizers tend to give more flavor and be cheaper to maintain in the long run than subohm tanks with "factory made" coils

http://vaping360.com/rebuildable-tanks-explained-rbas-vs-rdas-vs-rtas-vs-rdtas/

thanks a lot. and shich is better RDA,RTA or RDTA ? and why if I may ask

zephyr · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
thanks a lot. and shich is better RDA,RTA or RDTA ? and why if I may ask

I can't say one type is superior to the others; they each have tradeoffs, strengths and weaknesses, and it comes down to personal preference in the end. I prefer RTAs the most, and RDAs second.

If money isnt an option, pick up one of each kind!

Part of vaping to quit smoking takes a "jump in" attitude - a lot of what you end up liking, you'll have to find through experience and trial and error. If you research a lot of beginner coil building videos and get a good rated RTA and RDA along with some 3 or 6mg eliquid and a dual battery mod, you will have a good chance of finding something you enjoy.

zephyr · Jul 15, 2018

Also, a lot of people, including me, enjoy some variety. Varying flavors is pretty common - taste buds are dulled from smoking, and even long after quitting they will acclimate to a flavor they get constantly. Swapping flavors around helps to keep the flavor enjoyable.

Pods and high level nicotine salt eliquids are also great for a simple, quick nicotine fix - and if building isnt working out at a certain point, having a dependable backup is important

f1r3b1rd · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
thanks a lot. and shich is better RDA,RTA or RDTA ? and why if I may ask

There is no atty that is “better” than another. It comes down to vape styled preference and the right tool for the right job.
Personally, I don’t like rdtas, the ones I’ve tried have leaked when payed on there side. Some people love them and don’t have that issue.
I prefer the vape out of rdas especially on a Squonk mod. I find rdas easier to wick and build on than anything else and i prefer the flavor they offer. I also have 2 small rdas that I use strictly for taste testing diy juice. Sometimes though. an rta is needed. I use a reload or kayfun5 when I’m laying in bed. No need to fill a bottle just unscrew the top, fill and keep vaping. The trick is getting the wicking down and filling without offsetting the air pressure (screw it 2 or 3 times, flip it and then screw it on the rest of the way.)

Keep in mind, you’re on a hobbyist forum, most of us have used and use a combination of everything out there. We’ve also been vaping for years, the trick is finding out what YOU prefer, not anyone else. Everyone has there own preferred thing. My wife, for example doesn’t like rdas at all. She sticks with one tank and that’s all she likes to use.

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

Pegleg Meg said:
Also, a lot of people, including me, enjoy some variety. Varying flavors is pretty common - taste buds are dulled from smoking, and even long after quitting they will acclimate to a flavor they get constantly. Swapping flavors around helps to keep the flavor enjoyable.

Pods and high level nicotine salt eliquids are also great for a simple, quick nicotine fix - and if building isnt working out at a certain point, having a dependable backup is important

I really appreciate your time and replies!

final thing.. what RDA, RTA, RDTA and sub ohm tanks do you recommend? and should I buy the coils or make them myself regarding the RBA? I’m thinking to get the revenger x kit and buy separate tanks and coils

JuicyLucy · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
I don’t like the idea that because I’m new to this I should get a starter kit and go from there, I want to buy what meets my needs exactly from the beginning.

Meg and Bird have given you straight advice; here is my two cents

Your needs will likely change as you go on this vaping journey - very few vapers stay satisfied with the setup they start with

Some quit smoking just fine starting out with a big setup - but many do not, it is simply too much

Some change their vaping style dramatically from when they start, some are happy for years with simple starter stuff

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

f1r3b1rd said:
There is no atty that is “better” than another. It comes down to vape styled preference and the right tool for the right job.
Personally, I don’t like rdtas, the ones I’ve tried have leaked when payed on there side. Some people love them and don’t have that issue.
I prefer the vape out of rdas especially on a Squonk mod. I find rdas easier to wick and build on than anything else and i prefer the flavor they offer. I also have 2 small rdas that I use strictly for taste testing diy juice. Sometimes though. an rta is needed. I use a reload or kayfun5 when I’m laying in bed. No need to fill a bottle just unscrew the top, fill and keep vaping. The trick is getting the wicking down and filling without offsetting the air pressure (screw it 2 or 3 times, flip it and then screw it on the rest of the way.)

Keep in mind, you’re on a hobbyist forum, most of us have used and use a combination of everything out there. We’ve also been vaping for years, the trick is finding out what YOU prefer, not anyone else. Everyone has there own preferred thing. My wife, for example doesn’t like rdas at all. She sticks with one tank and that’s all she likes to use.

Thanks!

I’m planning to get a mod that works with all kinds of atomizers and get each tank type to figure what i will like the most.. do you recommend a certain setup? Can i get revenger x kit and use it with RDA, RTA and RDTA tanks? or there is a better combination that works for all types of tanks ? what best RBA tanks have you tried?
I appreciate your time

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

JuicyLucy said:
Meg and Bird have given you straight advice; here is my two cents

Your needs will likely change as you go on this vaping journey - very few vapers stay satisfied with the setup they start with

Some quit smoking just fine starting out with a big setup - but many do not, it is simply too much

Some change their vaping style dramatically from when they start, some are happy for years with simple starter stuff

Thanks!

I live in a country where vapes are being imported and sold way more expensive than their original price, so im thinking to buy all types of tanks with a mod that works for them all and try them.. ordering from a US online store will save me much money

Carambrda · Jul 15, 2018

Personally I prefer dripping on an RDA. It gives the best flavor IMO especially if you, like me, prefer to (chain) vape high VG juices at fairly high wattages with advanced coil builds. If I were forced to vape on an RTA, I would pick the Reload RTA by Reload Vapor USA, but the reality is I'm not forced to vape on an RTA so that's why I own only RDAs and nothing else... several dozens of them, mostly because I like to vary the 'feel' of the vape in addition to swapping flavors. So it is difficult for me to recommend only one RDA, as there definitely are pros and cons to each. A lot also depends on the mood I'm in, and the type of juice I want to vape.

f1r3b1rd · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
Thanks!

I’m planning to get a mod that works with all kinds of atomizers and get each tank type to figure what i will like the most.. do you recommend a certain setup? Can i get revenger x kit and use it with RDA, RTA and RDTA tanks? or there is a better combination that works for all types of tanks ? what best RBA tanks have you tried?
I appreciate your time

This?
https://www.vapordna.com/Vaporesso-Revenger-220W-TC-Starter-Kit-p/vaprev.htm

Yes that has a 510, so 99% of tanks and rdas will work fine on it.

I use a ton of different things depending on mood.
My first choice as of late has been a Mech Squonk with a goon rda or a double barrel mod with a reload rta.
Next in line is a minikin v2/reload or vaporshark/goon

Seconding juicy though, get a kit you think you’ll like and go from there.
We’ve all started with things a lot less involved that the kit you’re looking at.
My starter kit was a 12w mod and 1.5 ohm coil. What you’re looking at is something that would have probably been enough for me to never start building. Lol

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

f1r3b1rd said:
This?
https://www.vapordna.com/Vaporesso-Revenger-220W-TC-Starter-Kit-p/vaprev.htm

Yes that has a 510, so 99% of tanks and rdas will work fine on it.

I use a ton of different things depending on mood.
My first choice as of late has been a Mech Squonk with a goon rda or a double barrel mod with a reload rta.
Next in line is a minikin v2/reload or vaporshark/goon

Seconding juicy though, get a kit you think you’ll like and go from there.
We’ve all started with things a lot less involved that the kit you’re looking at.
My starter kit was a 12w mod and 1.5 ohm coil. What you’re looking at is something that would have probably been enough for me to never start building. Lol

yes exactly that kit.. but don’t be tempted, im having second thoughts about it cuz i read these amazing reviews on it and then some bad reviews and QC issues specially with the coils , some claim that they are inconsistent and might need to be changed every 4 days if one vapes daily, but that’s the thing with the reviews on many mods and tanks out there, they’re so opposing they confuse .. thanks a lot for your time will definitely consider your recommended items

f1r3b1rd · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
yes exactly that kit.. but don’t be tempted, im having second thoughts about it cuz i read these amazing reviews on it and then some bad reviews and QC issues specially with the coils , some claim that they are inconsistent and might need to be changed every 4 days if one vapes daily, but that’s the thing with the reviews on many mods and tanks out there, they’re so opposing they confuse .. thanks a lot for your time will definitely consider your recommended items

Roger

Can’t teally make any recommendations on premise coil systems. I jumped into rebuildables right away to save money. I haven’t used a coil kit in 5-6 years.
That mod seems prett amazing.if I were to recommend a starter kit to someone now, I would tell someone look at either a voopoo drag kit or the innokin proton if the person wanted to go full boar into clouds.
If you just want to quit smoking, that’s another conversation altogether.
If you want off cigarette we need to be looking into more mouth to lung gear.

SteveS45 · Jul 15, 2018

Welcome @Rasha and I hope you enjoy your stay~!

I also put a lot of though and research into buying my first MOD and as it turns out that 1st Built In Battery MOD is now my backup carry and working MOD. Just buy one because before you know it you will have 15. Also do not let the bad reviews or personal opinions influence your decision because if I did I would not own my daily beater which has withstood over 1,000 drops (estimated and probably twice that).

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

f1r3b1rd said:
Roger

Can’t teally make any recommendations on premise coil systems. I jumped into rebuildables right away to save money. I haven’t used a coil kit in 5-6 years.
That mod seems prett amazing.if I were to recommend a starter kit to someone now, I would tell someone look at either a voopoo drag kit or the innokin proton if the person wanted to go full boar into clouds.
If you just want to quit smoking, that’s another conversation altogether.
If you want off cigarette we need to be looking into more mouth to lung gear.

you’re right.. do you recommend any? out of your personal experience
im also wondering what’s the deal with the coil’s material (stainless steel360,Ti,Ni200 i guess) what difference or a precaution to make regarding this?

bobnat · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha, there's a bit of a learning curve with vaping. As Lucy mentioned, your tastes and needs will change and it can happen very fast. The simple starter mods have less things you need to worry and learn about. The main goal is to stop smoking. That comes first and it can be done with the simplest of vapes. Keep in mind that it's not a sure thing. You just may not like it, or get very frustrated with it. I started out with a simple pen type and quickly moved on from there. I would not change the trajectory I took either as it takes time to learn all of the things that most of us now know. When I look back on what I've learned over the past 2 years I'm amazed. It took a fair amount of effort and time. I've personally seen a few people now who just couldn't deal with the demands of vaping. So, go slow, stop smoking, then go fucking nuts like most of us have with the gear and diy.

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

bobnat said:
Rasha, there's a bit of a learning curve with vaping. As Lucy mentioned, your tastes and needs will change and it can happen very fast. The simple starter mods have less things you need to worry and learn about. The main goal is to stop smoking. That comes first and it can be done with the simplest of vapes. Keep in mind that it's not a sure thing. You just may not like it, or get very frustrated with it. I started out with a simple pen type and quickly moved on from there. I would not change the trajectory I took either as it takes time to learn all of the things that most of us now know. When I look back on what I've learned over the past 2 years I'm amazed. It took a fair amount of effort and time. I've personally seen a few people now who just couldn't deal with the demands of vaping. So, go slow, stop smoking, then go fucking nuts like most of us have with the gear and diy.

yea im going so harsh on it wanting to learn fast and try them all at once.. do you vape MTL?

f1r3b1rd · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
you’re right.. do you recommend any? out of your personal experience
im also wondering what’s the deal with the coil’s material (stainless steel360,Ti,Ni200 i guess) what difference or a precaution to make regarding this?

I use ss316, before that I used kanthal.
Ni200 and titanium are for temp control only, ss316 will run in tc or power and kanthal will only run in power. Whatever you do NEVER use the ni200 of titanium in power mode. Most people don’t use those anymore anyway.
For mouth to lung pre-made stock coils, I’ve seen the most success at people quitting smoking out of the nautilus coils. Cheap, easy to find, don’t require much power and a draw damn near identification to a cigarette.
When I vape mtl, I still use my old kayfun 3.1, it’s old, simple and works...

Rasha · Jul 15, 2018

SteveS45 said:
Welcome @Rasha and I hope you enjoy your stay~!

I also put a lot of though and research into buying my first MOD and as it turns out that 1st Built In Battery MOD is now my backup carry and working MOD. Just buy one because before you know it you will have 15. Also do not let the bad reviews or personal opinions influence your decision because if I did I would not own my daily beater which has withstood over 1,000 drops (estimated and probably twice that).

thank you

SteveS45 · Jul 15, 2018

Rasha said:
thank you

You are most Welcome my friend~! Just buy a starter MOD and get vaping as long as it has expand-ability you will never get rid of it or stop using it. My 1st iStick TC40W should have been retired years ago but it is so great for putting in the pocket for a walk in the woods or while I am working. Good Luck

Carambrda · Jul 16, 2018

There is no standard answer to your question of what will be the best setup to get you started. Starter kits offer the benefit of being simple enough to learn how to use in almost zero time, but in many cases the dominant factor turns out to be "buy cheap, buy twice", and, also in many cases, they can't get you off the stinkies so you run the risk of turning away from vaping, even permanently so what I did instead was I jumped straight into dripping on an RDA with a pair of hand-built Nichrome80 fused clapton coils at 80 watts. Four weeks after I picked up vaping, I had already built my own coils, from scratch, just by watching a bunch of coil building tutorials on YouTube and getting the essential tools (drill included). Below is a picture of that first coil build. I was vaping on it at 140 watts. Let me please repeat that. I had only been vaping for 4 weeks at that time. Others can't vape on anything above 8 watts without feeling like their lungs are going to explode. So like I said, standard answers are a recipe for disaster. Always.

MyMagicMist · Jul 16, 2018

f1r3b1rd said:
My first choice as of late has been a Mech Squonk with a goon rda

Surprises never cease.

Think I've grown beyond Goons although I will still likely use them at times. The Gorge RDA seems to work real well. I need to put a different build on mine later on, a big beefy spaced out coil instead of a tight little one.

It still does well with a tiny one. Figure a bigger coil will do better though.

f1r3b1rd · Jul 16, 2018

MyMagicMist said:
Surprises never cease.

Think I've grown beyond Goons although I will still likely use them at times. The Gorge RDA seems to work real well. I need to put a different build on mine later on, a big beefy spaced out coil instead of a tight little one. It still does well with a tiny one. Figure a bigger coil will do better though.

Will be ordering one next pay day.
I found a couple of rdas I really like and haven’t been tempted until now.

MyMagicMist · Jul 16, 2018

f1r3b1rd said:
Will be ordering one next pay day.
I found a couple of rdas I really like and haven’t been tempted until now.

*chuckling* "Strong the shinyitis it is with this one."

I too seem rather slow in trying different RDA. It takes a bit for a stipend to get funds for one thing. Like you I find something I can be contented using and forget the rest for another. Still need to try a "pancake" style RDA. @Train had mentioned those quite a while back, even before the Gorge. I do look a bit and see what a few are doing, what they seem keen on. Sometimes it suits for me, other times I get PIF stuff. It still works out since I don't spend even anywhere near half what smoking cost.

f1r3b1rd · Jul 16, 2018

MyMagicMist said:
*chuckling* "Strong the shinyitis it is with this one."

I too seem rather slow in trying different RDA. It takes a bit for a stipend to get funds for one thing. Like you I find something I can be contented using and forget the rest for another. Still need to try a "pancake" style RDA. @Train had mentioned those quite a while back, even before the Gorge. I do look a bit and see what a few are doing, what they seem keen on. Sometimes it suits for me, other times I get PIF stuff. It still works out since I don't spend even anywhere near half what smoking cost.

Roger that! I have a hard time spending money on reiterations of things I have.
The goon, for example. I bought the v2 and don’t notice much of a difference between the two. Both are side airflow, clamp systems.

I don’t spend near what I used to. Before the lady and kids. Until I see a game changer, it’ll probably stay that way.
I say that, as I consider the fact that I nice new rda and mod will look pretty on my desk.

Clarification and Recommendation needed

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