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Why are most Foreign High end Custom Mod's low Wattage?

GorGon27

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If you look at all the high end Mod's coming out of like Indonesia and such they are using like DNA 40,60 or YiHi equivalent. Really nothing above 80 Watts. I am guessing they are very expensive there or something? I am surprised however these Folks aren't ShitFaced vaping at 80W or under. I was honestly wondering what the heck is up with this? You can wait a year for a $800 Mod that is 60W. Don't get this. This is all the Private FB crap. Of course others have DNA250 but not a lot of these Middle East/Far East ones. Some of them are a sight to behold but wattage kills it other than collector/investment. Well no different than a Mech I suppose and they make plenty of those. I think it comes back to Finances in the 3rd world. Not sure though, anyone know why?
 

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I'm kinda lost here. 80watts isn't that low. Rarely do I vape more than 60-70 with my mech builds. I don't know many people in the high wattage (100+ range. Some are high priced because of the quality. Some for a name and like you said, Facebook hype. Just have to pick what's worth it to you. Not saying I'd spend 800 or even 500 on a mod. But I'd go 300. Viscious ant Spade. Damn right. It's what it's worth to you. If you want a 30 dollar x-priv then by all means use it till the wheels fall off. Some people want more quality. And will pay for it. For me. I love to see high end mods. Wouldn't have a super expensive one if I couldn't take it out of the house.

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Reading back I didn't mean to sound like a dick. And sorry for that. When I say "you" I didn't literally mean you. Just generalization.
 
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they are using like DNA 40,60 or YiHi equivalent. Really nothing above 80 Watts. I am guessing they are very expensive there or something? [...]You can wait a year for a $800 Mod that is 60W. Don't get this.
Could be something about "technology-transfer", it could be they all feel anything over 80w is a waste of their time. Itr could even be a lot of these places frown on (or illegalize) Vaping, so they keep a low-profile <shrug>

I'm not moving there, hence - don't care.
 

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Would imagine some of this has to do with agreements and availability of parts. Some of it has to do with catering to a specific audience. Some of it in my opinion would be build quality and some of it would be marketing.

I know people who would stuff batteries inside PVC pipe and vape it and others who are snobs and require some fancy name something to even put it to their mouth.

It is all in what you want and what you are willing to pay for any given item. Generally anything above 60 watts is too warm for me. I have some mods and atty's that good coin was dropped on and they are really nice, amazing fit and finish and/or limited availability or some kind of amazing engineering that made not having it irresistible. For me the cost of these items made them worth it even if I never get a return on the value. Do i need any of these items, not at all? Is my vape experience better for having them? Hell yes.
 

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If you look at all the high end Mod's coming out of like Indonesia and such they are using like DNA 40,60 or YiHi equivalent. Really nothing above 80 Watts. I am guessing they are very expensive there or something? I am surprised however these Folks aren't ShitFaced vaping at 80W or under. I was honestly wondering what the heck is up with this? You can wait a year for a $800 Mod that is 60W. Don't get this. This is all the Private FB crap. Of course others have DNA250 but not a lot of these Middle East/Far East ones. Some of them are a sight to behold but wattage kills it other than collector/investment. Well no different than a Mech I suppose and they make plenty of those. I think it comes back to Finances in the 3rd world. Not sure though, anyone know why?
Vaping started out as a far less harmful atlernative to smoking...many of us loved smoking.. and we enjoy a vape that mimics the experince.... alot of people enjoy a languid leasurely pull on a good atty as opposed to the hyperventelating gymnastics of low sub ohm vaping.it's just a matter of tastes.it has nothing to do with finances..vapers in europe and america ,and all around the world will gladly pay 150.00 to 200.00 dollars for a great genny they won't vape higher than 25 watts, but wouldn't pay 25 cents for a sub ohm tank.actually I think it may have to do with the American obssession with "Bigger is Better"...
 

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Because meeting every challenge with Brute Force is an American thing..... or the easy way.....

Need more turn up the power vs rethink the build.



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This is just the OP being a vaper who thinks you must vape over 100W to be a true vaper. Cloud chaser mentality.............. Nothing personal @GorGon27 just my personal fucked up opinion you know? Vape On Safely~!
 
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GorGon27

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No, you guys are right. Americans are kind of piggish thinking they can just do anything. why our prisons are overcrowded. I do not mean an insult to anyone. I am just saying like how many Americans recycle? My point. Do not mandate a sub ohm build and 80W is fine. No need for clouds. It is fine. What I do not get is in these poor countries they are selling these things like $300-$800+ with 1 year+ waiting lists. I am pretty sure I know exactly who they are selling them to :) However than comes the question why are us Yanks buying them with 80W chips? It is fine with me I just did not know why. I am betting a DNA250C is cost prohibitive in those places regardless of what they sell for. Since the Modder must front for like 50 of them at once to begin with. The wood I imagine is cheap. Many of these people do not even have CNC. They do make some lovely Mods. Not like the mass produced stuff.
 

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No, you guys are right. Americans are kind of piggish thinking they can just do anything. why our prisons are overcrowded. I do not mean an insult to anyone. I am just saying like how many Americans recycle? My point. Do not mandate a sub ohm build and 80W is fine. No need for clouds. It is fine. What I do not get is in these poor countries they are selling these things like $300-$800+ with 1 year+ waiting lists. I am pretty sure I know exactly who they are selling them to :) However than comes the question why are us Yanks buying them with 80W chips? It is fine with me I just did not know why. I am betting a DNA250C is cost prohibitive in those places regardless of what they sell for. Since the Modder must front for like 50 of them at once to begin with. The wood I imagine is cheap. Many of these people do not even have CNC. They do make some lovely Mods. Not like the mass produced stuff.
you have a very provencial view of the world ..the idea that everyone outside of the US is living in abject poverty is ridiculous...who are they selling to....oh how bout..Japan, South Korea, Singapore Hong Kong,Australia,India,the Middle East,Russia....Asian economies are doing pretty damn well comparitively...as for piggish..cloud chasing did not start in the US it started in the philippines.There are plenty of rich people in Asia..there's just a larger disparity ...but we are catching up with them.at the rate we are going we will be just like the third world ...the great mass of us recycling our own feces while a handfull of elite live like Gods....Al Gore's wetdream.
 
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No, you guys are right. Americans are kind of piggish thinking they can just do anything. why our prisons are overcrowded. I do not mean an insult to anyone. I am just saying like how many Americans recycle?

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That's not 100% like Sweden (and it's measured in amount of stuff rather than number of people) but it's not that bad. I resent the generalization of Piggish Americans, there.

I think you're missing that a lot of these mods made in other countries are also being bought by Americans
 

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That's not 100% like Sweden (and it's measured in amount of stuff rather than number of people) but it's not that bad. I resent the generalization of Piggish Americans, there.

I think you're missing that a lot of these mods made in other countries are also being bought by Americans
Then there the apple and orange point.... that could Sweden maintain its rate if it had 10X it's current population. Allot easier for a country with 30 million and the size of Arkansas to do all those socially responsible things. Than a country with 10X th people and 100 times the geography.

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That's not 100% like Sweden (and it's measured in amount of stuff rather than number of people) but it's not that bad. I resent the generalization of Piggish Americans, there.

I think you're missing that a lot of these mods made in other countries are also being bought by Americans
Thank God we aren't like the shitehole formally known as Sweden.
 

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Because where those mods are made they do not have a big Clouds Bro Clouds market like the US does?
I do suspect that there are far more low wattage vapers in the world than high wattage ones.

I vape at 16-30W.
 

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Then there the apple and orange point.... that could Sweden maintain its rate if it had 10X it's current population. Allot easier for a country with 30 million and the size of Arkansas to do all those socially responsible things. Than a country with 10X th people and 100 times the geography.

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Does that mean my state (Arkansas) could easily recycle at 100%, being the same size and 1/8th the population? o_O

I was just picking at one point of his generalization, not intending to focus on recycling lol
 

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This is all an extremely broad generalization of folks that vape (specifically Americans and the former colony known as Sweden). There are cloud chasers and low power folks everywhere. Some of us jump from MTL, to DTL and then sometimes create atmospheres and then explore all the types of vaping in between. Speaking very generally when someone gets into something they will eventually want the best of whatever it is they are into and there is a normal progression for it.

It goes like this:

When someone starts with something they go with the lowest barrier of entry to get into it.
Once they have exhausted the limits, ruined their cheap whatever or are missing something or a deal breaking feature exists that they don't have the road to better begins and continues until a level of personal satisfaction is met (which in the vape world is an ever improving, non existent, moving target).

In knowing this basic human behavior people make shit that is desirable either in function, aesthetics or both and people buy it at a premium because it checks all the boxes for them. Hence nice, or sometimes well marketed garbage that looks pretty and/or stuff that is made from premium materials and built to a higher standard are produced.

People at the later phase tend to get drawn toward this kind of stuff naturally. People with more money also tend to favor higher quality items because they can afford them. Whatever the reason the market dictates the manufacturing. If people are willing to buy something at a set price, people will make it for them and it will sell until it doesn't and they stop making it.

With all that said there is apparently a thriving market for folks who want mid power devices that look nice and cost a fair penny. These people obviously exist in a pretty sizable quantity or the product wouldn't be made.
 

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Just my 2c, I belive that the guys who use high end gear rarely ever go close to 80w+. They prefer smaller single 18650 devices which use the DNA75C chip or DNA40 or DNA60. These chips are small and so the device can be designed small. It's also a lot to do about aesthetics. It's not so easy to design a bulky, good looking high end device.
 

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I think it's because only America has the moreMoreMORE! mentality. I vape 87% PG at <10w, and make "clouds" which are roughly similar to what I exhaled as a smoker, and that semblance to smoking is exactly what it's for, so why would I even want more than that? My son likes a thicker cloud, so he vapes high Vg, 70% VG, but under 20w, because clouding up the whole damn room is just stupid and would annoy me and his dad to no end.

People in other countries apparently don't have the need to annoy everyone in the room with their vape. Kudos to them!

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I think it's because only America has the moreMoreMORE! mentality. I vape 87% PG at <10w, and make "clouds" which are roughly similar to what I exhaled as a smoker, and that semblance to smoking is exactly what it's for, so why would I even want more than that? My son likes a thicker cloud, so he vapes high Vg, 70% VG, but under 20w, because clouding up the whole damn room is just stupid and would annoy me and his dad to no end.

People in other countries apparently don't have the need to annoy everyone in the room with their vape. Kudos to them!

Andria
cloud chasing didn't start in America..it started in the philippines.and is still popular there...the more more thing is universal...it is not unique to America..there are plenty of immigrants in this country driving the biggest car they can't afford.
 

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I agree with all of you. Meant no offense. I am an American myself. I think it is true we "consume" more than established European and Asian countries. Like just said many Immigrants here drive the biggest car they can afford. It is the American dream or whatever. As for "Piggish" that was a generalization. I meant solely in regard to consumption. Where else do people on Public Aid have a $50,000 car? Granted many people truly need and benefit from it as well. I was speaking of 3rd world countries in comparison not the many other established ones. In fact other countries are wealthier per Capita than the US but have lower GDP, So, automatically thought of as not as rich. I know this. I did not know it started in the Philippines so I stand corrected in that regard. Although I maintain America seems to be very interested in all kinds of consumption that other established countries are not so much. I think that is a perfectly fair observation since quite frankly it mostly holds true. Again I meant no offense. I kind of said that, tongue in cheek. I did not exactly mean it seriously. Anyways, my apologies if it offended anyone.
 

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I agree with all of you. Meant no offense. I am an American myself. I think it is true we "consume" more than established European and Asian countries. Like just said many Immigrants here drive the biggest car they can afford. It is the American dream or whatever. As for "Piggish" that was a generalization. I meant solely in regard to consumption. Where else do people on Public Aid have a $50,000 car? Granted many people truly need and benefit from it as well. I was speaking of 3rd world countries in comparison not the many other established ones. In fact other countries are wealthier per Capita than the US but have lower GDP, So, automatically thought of as not as rich. I know this. I did not know it started in the Philippines so I stand corrected in that regard. Although I maintain America seems to be very interested in all kinds of consumption that other established countries are not so much. I think that is a perfectly fair observation since quite frankly it mostly holds true. Again I meant no offense. I kind of said that, tongue in cheek. I did not exactly mean it seriously. Anyways, my apologies if it offended anyone.
yeah right.... like Japan is not a consumer driven society..or South Korea...lol...one of the reasons our populace may consume more could be because the "established countries".whatever that means..of europe, are socialist or social democrats and their working class has a much higher tax burden on them leaving them with far less disposable income than our masses, it's not a matter of europeans not being consumers it's a matter of them not being able to keep their money for themselves....Europe for it's size has far more high-end modders and always has than the U.S. and everyone of those high end modders has no problem selling all the gear they make,most of it to europeans...
 

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I agree with all of you. Meant no offense. I am an American myself. I think it is true we "consume" more than established European and Asian countries. Like just said many Immigrants here drive the biggest car they can afford. It is the American dream or whatever. As for "Piggish" that was a generalization. I meant solely in regard to consumption. Where else do people on Public Aid have a $50,000 car? Granted many people truly need and benefit from it as well. I was speaking of 3rd world countries in comparison not the many other established ones. In fact other countries are wealthier per Capita than the US but have lower GDP, So, automatically thought of as not as rich. I know this. I did not know it started in the Philippines so I stand corrected in that regard. Although I maintain America seems to be very interested in all kinds of consumption that other established countries are not so much. I think that is a perfectly fair observation since quite frankly it mostly holds true. Again I meant no offense. I kind of said that, tongue in cheek. I did not exactly mean it seriously. Anyways, my apologies if it offended anyone.
I think you are imagining America circa 1967....that was 50 years ago.
 

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