Trying to get my father to make the switch

I am not a new vaper, however I felt this should go here. My dad used to smoke cigarettes for a few years but quit a couple years ago. but not even a year after he quit, he went to cigars instead. I am trying to get him to make the switch to vaping but no matter how many times Ive tried, he doesn't like it. He smokes cheap bulk sams-club cigars, and used to smoke I think newports? I don't know, its been years so I don't remember. How can I help him make the switch? He tried my Smok AIO back when I had one a *very* small handful of times, and has tried my stick V8 once. All the times he has tried it I either had blue ade in a 3 mg, or Lava Flow in a 3 mg. Every time he has tried it, he said it hurt his throat and he hated it and would refuse to try it again. Now, I cant even get him to try it at all. Any suggestions on how to convince him to make the switch? He is 61 years old and smokes about one cigar a day- day and a half.

Welcome to VU. I hope you stick around.

IMO if he is smoking 1 cigar every 24-36 hours then I would just leave well enough alone. Smoking cigars that infrequently is already harm reduction compared to smoking cigarettes. Is it more harmful than vaping? Probably but I'm not an expert and the science is still being sorted out.

I started vaping because I had tried every other way to quit smoking, including cigars. I think it is good that your father has taken steps towards harm reduction and you should just be happy for him instead of trying to persuade him to do something he obviously isn't interested in.

Fudgey Finger said:

Welcome to VU. I hope you stick around.

IMO if he is smoking 1 cigar every 24-36 hours then I would just leave well enough alone. Smoking cigars that infrequently is already harm reduction compared to smoking cigarettes. Is it more harmful than vaping? Probably but I'm not an expert and the science is still being sorted out.

I started vaping because I had tried every other way to quit smoking, including cigars. I think it is good that your father has taken steps towards harm reduction and you should just be happy for him instead of trying to persuade him to do something he obviously isn't interested in.

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the problem is he is slowly getting worse and worse. when he first started a cigar would last him a week. recently some um... personal stuff has happened in our family and hes been getting worse with how often he smokes. I still would rather try to get him to switch before it gets out of hand again because he did the same thing when he smoked cigarettes. he didn't smoke much, tried to quit and did for a little while, then got progressively worse until his health got really bad thus making him kinda have to quit again anyway.
Edit: He doesn't smoke them like cigars either. He actually inhales them and smokes them like cigarettes.

Its like anything. If someone doesn't want to quit, they will not quit no matter what.

If you want to do something buy him a setup and a strong cigar flavored juice and give it to him and ask him to give it a try. If he does, awesome. If not make sure the setup you get him is one you like so you can put it to use if he doesn't take to it.

jwill said:

Its like anything. If someone doesn't want to quit, they will not quit no matter what.

If you want to do something buy him a setup and a strong cigar flavored juice and give it to him and ask him to give it a try. If he does, awesome. If not make sure the setup you get him is one you like so you can put it to use if he doesn't take to it.

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Alright. Do you think giving him my old Stick v8 would work?

AlexPKC999 said:

Alright. Do you think giving him my old Stick v8 would work?

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I would do a regulated tube mod not much larger than a cigar and an atomizer with a tighter draw so the change isnt too radical. The Smok atomizers might be too airy for a cigar smoker not used to vaping.

I dont know of many regulated mods that are round and about the size of a cigar besides a mech mod (which I do not recommend in this instance). I am sure someone has better recommendations.

I have a CF Maxx battery and a Nautilus X tank that I hand to first timers when they want to vape with me. Its easy, it draws about like a cigarette and can be figured out by someone who has never touched it.

jwill said:

I would do a regulated tube mod not much larger than a cigar and an atomizer with a tighter draw so the change isnt too radical. The Smok atomizers might be too airy for a cigar smoker not used to vaping.

I dont know of many regulated mods that are round and about the size of a cigar besides a mech mod (which I do not recommend in this instance). I am sure someone has better recommendations.

I have a CF Maxx battery and a Nautilus X tank that I hand to first timers when they want to vape with me. Its easy, it draws about like a cigarette and can be figured out by someone who has never touched it.

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Alright, Ill see what I can find! Thanks

AlexPKC999 said:

Alright, Ill see what I can find! Thanks

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Both of the items recommended can be had together for about $20-25 if you shop around. If you think he might take to it a Clieto would be a good choice as would an Aspire.

I would recommend a MTL set up for someone like your father over a Direct to lung inhale. Many people who try my mods who smoke ask "how can you take that, it makes me cough" after they have coughed quite a bit.

As your father is smoking cigars, I guess he doesn't inhale? This also may be why he finds vaping is irritating his throat.

I know the nautilus series of tanks are well loved by MTL vapers, unfortunately I don't know many more than these as I tend to use RTA's and inhale direct to lung.

Hopefully if your Father does want to quit and make the switch, this will help. However if he doesn't want to make the change himself, there isn't much you can do.

I tried to get a friend of mine to start vaping also.
He tried it and started coughing and said no way!
Told him that will pass after a while but he still refuses.
Thing is, he starts coughing soon as he lights up a cig also, and pays about $80 a week in smokes.
Like Conan says, if they don't want to make the change, not much you can do!

I have known people who would hand an atmosphere creating device to a new user which is a terrible idea for someone not adjusted to it.

Slow introduction and not being pushy is a good way to ween them over. I have been getting my best friend on vaping through the course of a year at this point. He vapes whenever we are together and smokes when we are not. We have been upping wattage and adding airflow as he adjusts to the changes. Once that switch gets flipped in his brain he wants to quit, he will.

Might look into something like this for your Dad. The design factor could be the way to convert him.

SteveS45 said:

Might look into something like this for your Dad. The design factor could be the way to convert him.

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Those look pretty cool actually.

I suggest a VV or VW mod with at least 50 watts of power, unregulated ONLY if using an RBA, a MTL tank and making some NET from a couple of his cigars..... NOW the NET Juice will be the issue as it will be gunky and REQUIRE an RBA, no coil heads. There are some good Cigar flavored juices out there. But NET of his favorite cigar might be more satisfying at first. I also advise him not to quit the smokes, till vaping is PREFERED or replaces smoking. vaping IMO is too much of a PIA to do Cold Turkey.

@Steve545 that's a great idea, especially if those things taste anywhere close to an actual cigar. Alternatively @AlexPKC999 a mouth-to-lung device with an easy-to-use tank is the best hardware to get him started, but...you can lead a horse to water...

My sister has COPD and I managed to basically force her to start vaping because she's disabled and was living with me and dependent on me at the time. I just flat refused to buy cigarettes for her; otherwise, she'd never have done it. It took a lot of trial-and-error to get her going, more than not because she just wasn't interested anyway. Eventually though her attitude began to improve when she realized how much better she felt and that she could actually breathe a lot better than before. Those things happen gradually, so it took a while for her to really realize, and then even longer for her to admit it to me. It had been such an issue, you can imagine.

You could try something like this, and use 1.5 ohm coils in it to start:

https://www.myvaporstore.com/Joye-eGo-AIO-D22-All-in-One-Starter-Kit-p/joye-eoaip.htm

A lot of people like "Desert Ship" tobacco flavors - supposed to be similar to Camel Lights, I think - but there are a zillion different tobaccos, and I have no experience with them. Perhaps someone else can give you a recommendation for e-liquid.

Good luck with it!

I don't think the tobacco flavor is going to be the thing to get someone to quit smoking. Here is why: I got my mother some tobacco flavored juice when she decided to quit smoking. She hated it. I got her some peach flavored juice, and she has not smoked since. Get him some juice in a flavor he will enjoy. A vaping pen with a small mouth piece and a tight draw might get him to switch. But, keep in mind, if he does not want to quit, he wont.

Lady Sarah said:

I don't think the tobacco flavor is going to be the thing to get someone to quit smoking.

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For me it was the only way I could quit and started vaping. Tobacco for years before I finally found a flavor I could vape then that was the beginning of me and flavors.

I tried over 100 flavors at the tasting bar before I finally found Fruit By The Drop

In the beginning I thought I would need to get a tobacco flavor juice in order to give myself the best chance at quitting the smoke. You know, emulate cig as much as possible. Wasn't the case.
Getting used to inhaling vapor (70/30) instead of smoke was enough for the "hit". That first week I started at low wattage and went up a little at a time (as I got used to vapor) for more hit, smoking less as I went. 18nic was a little much, like oversmoking, and went down to 15.

conanthewarrior said:

I would recommend a MTL set up for someone like your father over a Direct to lung inhale.
I know the nautilus series of tanks are well loved by MTL vapers,

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^This^
Cigs and cigars aren't DTL. He's tried your 2 diff setups and didn't like it because it was DTL. But at least he tried them, so that tells me he can be converted. Not very often does someone go from smoke to DTL vapor. MTL is almost always in between there.

Both, your AIO and V8 stick are DTL, and love it or leave it, because you can't control the output. Not good for beginner because they need to start extra low on wattage so they don't cough, and gradually go up as they get used to it.
Get him a good MTL tank and a variable wattage mod. It may not be a kit since usually atty/mod separately allows better choices worth that extra $.
A worthy kit would be Aspire Zelos Kit. A built in battery similar to a single 18650 without needing to buy or recharge external batteries, and a highly successful MTL tank. Triton Mini coils are cross compatible and I'd get that Clapton 1.8 then he'd have two 1.8 coils and the .7(I think) that comes with the kit. Use the 1.8 and start at 6 or 7 watts so he doesn't cough, and bump up a little as needed.
The original Nautilus is 5ml if you think more juice capacity is better.
Another option imo would be Typhon built in battery mod for 100w of future proofness if he continues to DTL, and get the tank separately.
For juice flavors, I'd try something like his favorite desert or gum.

MTL + variable wattage mod.