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I don’t have Ray’s clamps but I have other vape clamps. I use them for anything with more then 1 wire... just easier.
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Another thing is you'd be able to make decore without wasting any wire. Wouldn't need to cut off a section that's been twisted round your swivel so as long as you've got your Clapton game down, you could reuse that same wire over and over again.
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Haha I was doing that!! But It was taking to long each time to set it up in the clamp so I ended up just cutting my decore core wire 2 inches longer then I need it and put a 90 at the end throw it in chuck make the decore, cut the 90 and then put that core wire away till next time. Once it goes under 14” I just cut it down to 9” and save the other 4.5ish inches for a single core build. I get a lot of decore wire out of that 1 core tho.... Waste not, want not.
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For regular 3-core alien builds I don't see a whole lot of point in that, though... as I always reuse that same wire in such a way that it later becomes my middle core by grabbing a second piece of wire that's double the length plus a few inches longer so I can easier tension it after I fold it around my swivel. (So basically the wire that's used for making my decore never leaves my swivel until my build's finished, as I simply decore it via the drill side instead.) Tension up, hold the equal tension on all 3 cores with pliers, carefully twist the 3 ends together with the other pliers. Using this method there's a tiny little bit of spacing between the 3 cores at the swivel end, and that spacing is what's helping to keep the cores flat without using any kind of sliders at all. No hot glue no clamps no tricks no bullshit. There's a lot that people can learn from ᛗike ᛏerkildsen (@m.terk).
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my first genny build with ss mesh wick. this is an interesting setup for sure. everyone says the wicking is super hard to get right, but i think i got it right. no dry hits even approaching 5v and chain vaping. i made the wick first and stuck it in, then i caught my wire in the negative post and wrapped it around the wick until i got to the top of the positive post, where i caught it and tightened it all down. im thinking i might try my first 32/42 alien for this thing. it should be easy to hit 1 ohm at those gauges...just need the balls to be able to do that build lol
That’s gotta be an older genny right? Idk much about them anymore but the way the nuts are catching the wires gotta be an old genny. I can’t see them making them the same way still???
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yeah its a rocket clone. the company that made the authentic doesnt even exist any more afaik
im always on the hunt for the best vape, and a lot of people still say the ss mesh wick is 'the best' flavor, so i grabbed this to check out.
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yeah its a rocket clone. the company that made the authentic doesnt even exist any more afaik
Is it better?
I tried it back in the day and it just was not for me.... and that was when we were still using sterile cotton balls so it wouldn’t take much to have better flavor then them.
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Scratch that. I’m pretty sure we were using eckowool wick.
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really need a macro lense.. beautiful blues though on a failed snake spine.. looks more like a standard staggered clapton.. decored 24g, replaced core with 26g N80, staggered with 32g N80 and fused with 32g N80. Hammered and squeezed.. 3.0mm staged with 26g N80. Will probably remove the staging wire and run the cricket in series (or stick it on an original noisy cricket). ohms out at .34ish before staging.
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vape pretty well, had to throttle the cricket down though, a bit too hot wide open...really need a macro lense.. beautiful blues though on a failed snake spine.. looks more like a standard staggered clapton.. decored 24g, replaced core with 26g N80, staggered with 32g N80 and fused with 32g N80. Hammered and squeezed.. 3.0mm staged with 26g N80. Will probably remove the staging wire and run the cricket in series (or stick it on an original noisy cricket). ohms out at .34ish before staging.
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its a great mtl vape. i dunno how many people in here like an above ohm, low power mtl, but if you do, i would recommend trying out a genny setup. making the mesh wick took about the same amount of time as a set of aliens, for me (15-20 min). my guess is that all the people i see saying 'genny is the best flavor' 'ss mesh wicks are the best' etc, have never tried an aromamizer plus on a hogv3 with .28 ohms worth of 28/38 aliens, or a .06 staggerton in a goon on quad parallel, so they have no frame of reference. ill skip the rant on some of the things i have seen people say around here and just finish on this note...genny is a great mtl vape and if you like mtl you should try one
ss mesh wick in a traditional genny setup.
alien staple 12 x .3ka1/36ss316 3.5 3.5mm wraps .12 ohms. vertical mount in the unholy (clone)
edit - i forgot to specify that this was a maple alien of sorts @Pegleg Meg i used a syrupy pancake juice to stick my staple stack together in an attempt to catch on to the maplestaple craze
edit - i forgot to specify that this was a maple alien of sorts @Pegleg Meg i used a syrupy pancake juice to stick my staple stack together in an attempt to catch on to the maplestaple craze
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Beautiful bro... 26g decore yeah? I’ve never done a plain staple alien...
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its a bit easier to alien wrap these, compared to round wire cores, but they are a little easier to buckle on the coil jig than a framed staple.
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Yeah for sure... now that I think about it, it’s been a few years since I’ve even done a plain staple coil, never mind an alien staple haha
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3*30g is springy as fuck lol, I had a job just installing the one I did. Nice progress meg, hopefully have that dialled in soon enough. Probably be the smallest alien wrap I've ever seen before 
As for alien wrapping plain Staples; If you have a stack of ribbon and a 3 core of round wire, it is much easier to apply too much pressure and collapse 3 round cores without a doubt. My stacks of ribbon, even with a fuck up in the decore where the alien wrap goes skewiff, will stay exactly as a stack of ribbon. The same can't be said for round wire in my opinion, gotta have that easy touch down when wrapping or you run the risk of collapse. Even framed Staples act sturdier than all round wire cores.
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As for alien wrapping plain Staples; If you have a stack of ribbon and a 3 core of round wire, it is much easier to apply too much pressure and collapse 3 round cores without a doubt. My stacks of ribbon, even with a fuck up in the decore where the alien wrap goes skewiff, will stay exactly as a stack of ribbon. The same can't be said for round wire in my opinion, gotta have that easy touch down when wrapping or you run the risk of collapse. Even framed Staples act sturdier than all round wire cores.
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I had lots of skewiffing today, I started trying 6 x 30 with the 46 but nawp, SKEWIFF
I almost decided to try a 24 decore on 15 .3 ribbon, just try to one-up @mach1ne then I had a moment of sense
3*30g is springy as fuck lol, I had a job just installing the one I did. Nice progress meg, hopefully have that dialled in soon enough. Probably be the smallest alien wrap I've ever seen before
As for alien wrapping plain Staples; If you have a stack of ribbon and a 3 core of round wire, it is much easier to apply too much pressure and collapse 3 round cores without a doubt. My stacks of ribbon, even with a fuck up in the decore where the alien wrap goes skewiff, will stay exactly as a stack of ribbon. The same can't be said for round wire in my opinion, gotta have that easy touch down when wrapping or you run the risk of collapse. Even framed Staples act sturdier than all round wire cores.
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I agree 100%........... and that’s why I bought the “alien makers” haha. Having a slider that you don’t have to keep moving is absolutely incredible !!
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Getting there... Starting "small" with 3x30 gauge lol
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I’m a bit late the the party so I don’t know exactly where your level of building is... can you already alien normal size cores, 26,28? are you trying to learn to do them in general or can you do them already but are trying to do them on small cores? Sorry for all the questions haha
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Edit: oh, when I said starting small, I meant starting with small/few cores, and just for this particular wrap guage
I can do a clean alien in 36, never tried 38, skipped to 40 and did okay with a few mistakes, getting to the point where I think I got the tension right but my actual initial clapton isn't consistent enough to make a perfect decore with the 40 and 46
For 46 the right tension seems to be just enough that I can feel it in my fingers at all lol. If I had thicker skin I would be screwed
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3*30g is springy as fuck lol, I had a job just installing the one I did. Nice progress meg, hopefully have that dialled in soon enough. Probably be the smallest alien wrap I've ever seen before
As for alien wrapping plain Staples; If you have a stack of ribbon and a 3 core of round wire, it is much easier to apply too much pressure and collapse 3 round cores without a doubt. My stacks of ribbon, even with a fuck up in the decore where the alien wrap goes skewiff, will stay exactly as a stack of ribbon. The same can't be said for round wire in my opinion, gotta have that easy touch down when wrapping or you run the risk of collapse. Even framed Staples act sturdier than all round wire cores.
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I used to have an issue with the triple-cores slipping into the dreaded triangle configuration pretty often, but discovered a bit of a fix for it for me...and it’s one of the few examples that I can use where it’s more beneficial to freehand than to use swivels. It used to be that once I started to feel and see (by the way the light was catching the wire) the cores slipping, I’d stop and use toothless pliers and smoosh them back flat, but then figured a different way.
As odd as it sounds, if I notice it doing that now, I’ll stop and remove the tape holding my 3 core wires together at the “dangling” end...I’m not sure if it’s just a situation where it’s better to be lucky than good or maybe something to do with the centrifugal force that the wires generate by being free and unattached, but I take the tape off and increase the drill speed (not to top speed..just faster than I typically go) and the cores may whip a little bit, but it keeps them from crossing or tangling until I get another inch or two done, which at that point is when everything starts stiffening up and catching the groove needed to finish the stick with no problem.
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That sounds like centrifugal force to me that like. Also a genius way if keeping the cores straight without swivels. I'm a swivel user myself though, almost never need to worry about cores collapsing unless I'm doing a 4 or more core alien
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It took awhile to condition myself to use that trick, though, because as I’m sure it is with most builders, we can just tell when the wire is about to start doing something we don’t want it to do and the first instinct is to stop what we’re doing and try to fix it before it becomes a bigger issue, where in this instance, at least, the answer is to just say “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!”
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Little obs crius build. So shiny
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alien staple 12 x .3ka1/36ss316 3.5 3.5mm wraps .12 ohms. vertical mount in the unholy (clone)
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edit - i forgot to specify that this was a maple alien of sorts @Pegleg Meg i used a syrupy pancake juice to stick my staple stack together in an attempt to catch on to the maplestaple craze
And look how clean those Maple stacks are!
that is absolutely savage. @CrazyChef v2.0 hit 32/42 (that i can remember, maybe lower), and once @raymo2u did a piece of .3mm ribbon with 50 alien wrap, and i cant remember anyone else using anything smaller than 40Getting there... Starting "small" with 3x30 gauge lol
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nice work.you just hit 46 gauge aliens and youre still trying to one up me?! the audacity
i dont even have 46 to try to catch up to you lol...like a stack of flapjacks
a maple staple flap jack stack, to be precise.
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Yup - I have a few pics of some thinner (I think 46g) somewhere. I'll see if I can find 'em somewhere. Here's the 32/42:
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that is absolutely savage. @CrazyChef v2.0 hit 32/42 (that i can remember, maybe lower), and once @raymo2u did a piece of .3mm ribbon with 50 alien wrap, and i cant remember anyone else using anything smaller than 40
you just hit 46 gauge aliens and youre still trying to one up me?! the audacity
like a stack of flapjacks
This wasn't "hitting it" man, it's terrible! Lol!
And I don't even have a camera that can See it! All I can see is the mistakes (great mtl vape on a mech though) 0.66 ohms
I didn't use any maple...sorry
I'd have to master 10 kinds of other builds to be even close, getting lucky early on isn't as important as being consistent!
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they are pretty rough, but you got most of a coil. thats what my first 30/40 looked like, and my next ones are all good. i would call what you got there a success. i bet you are making perfect ones within 5 more tries.
are you part canadian?
I agree constancy is key. Muscle memory, practice and some (very little) good fortune that's how I try to build. Knocked out triple staggered fused Claptons over the weekend on the first try. It took a little getting used too, but in all honesty I only make one or two coils a run because I do it all free hand but staggered fused I am getting used to having to use the swivels.. I don't like swivles but Ive been using them. I need to make a set up out of a few two x fours.This wasn't "hitting it" man, it's terrible! Lol!
And I don't even have a camera that can See it! All I can see is the mistakes (great mtl vape on a mech though) 0.66 ohms
I didn't use any maple...sorry
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I'd have to master 10 kinds of other builds to be even close, getting lucky early on isn't as important as being consistent!
Just when I start getting used to using swivels I realize that on small build you could just Clapton wire loosely and space it by hand.
I've got a good idea for a swivel holder with a large potrone bottle I found
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I can’t recall now who I saw use a similar technique but included swivels. He attached the middle core wire to the swivel and left the two other cores loose. I don’t really understand how that would be of any benefit over attaching all 3 cores to the swivel, but maybe it’s just one of those things that worked for that builder and they just kept doing it that way.
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I was slated for just tying my centre wire to the swivel when I first came over here 
. I do understand how it could help with twisting over the length of the wire like but I prefer to just tie the outer 2 to the swivel, glue holding all three central in the drill (till I get my badass clamps lol) and keep the centre wire from jumping all over the place with a bit of ribbon. Need to get some spring loaded toggles for a few of the builds I've tried as I think they might help a little
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. I do understand how it could help with twisting over the length of the wire like but I prefer to just tie the outer 2 to the swivel, glue holding all three central in the drill (till I get my badass clamps lol) and keep the centre wire from jumping all over the place with a bit of ribbon. Need to get some spring loaded toggles for a few of the builds I've tried as I think they might help a littleSent from my MI MAX 2 using Tapatalk
I use a table clamp, you could use your bull clip and set your drill on its side
The two gold ones on the outside are bad, so I just use one to hook to the clamp and another to hook to my wire...those black ones in the middle are rocking for being so small. I may not need this many, the first one never stops spinning. I can't put any more tension on them without my drill tipping over if I let go of it lol
I put my wire stick in the drill first then hook up the one gold swivel to it, then keep tension on it and hook it to the rest of the swivels...keeps the cores nice and straight the whole time
Try krok swivels.... u really only need 1 of them
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I did something similar when I first started to learn aliens. I left the middle core longer, the attached masking tape where the 3 cores met. My thinking was that if I attached only the middle core to the swivels, then I would get a more even spin.
Just a simple alien for my noisy cricket
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Most ball bearing swivels you only need one. But the redundancy is in case one fails, then you have backup. If the single Krok fails for some reason, there's no backup.
Yeah of course... I was just saying it compared to his photo of 100 swivels connected to each other haha
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I’ve been using the SpinLT... it’s been pretty amazing so far...
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Me too. But I'm a little overkill - but I also make tons of coils, so I need the redundancy.
Me too. But I'm a little overkill - but I also make tons of coils, so I need the redundancy.
Haha yeah, mines still brand new so she’s purring like a kittien still
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I made those aliens for my DS BTW... gonna install them Tom if my dead rabbits come.. I was originally going to throw them into my OG goon (better squonk then the 1.5 IMO) but I’m not going to have much time tomorrow to build something new for the rabbits so rather save the aliens for them... I got a ton of juice I gotta make!
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Dead Rabbit...Aliens...Squonker? Good choice!
Oh...and a DS, too? Another good choice sir!
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finally got a wasp w/ a squonk pin. no more starring at my other one in anger for not having one
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I have a question.. has anyone tried to Clapton in the spaces between the alien wraps with a smaller gauge wire?? or maybe try to fuse in there?? I keep telling myself I'm gonna try it, but I never have.. doubting it would look good or do much, just curious.
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