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Up in smoke: How vaping might save smokers
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Well... I saw better info in that than in a great many articles, but I did spot a couple of problems. A 30ml lasts a week? Yeah, maybe if you vape the way I do, tight-draw and low wattage, but most folks nowadays get thru 30ml in a day or two. I mix up 56ml about every 10 days, but I vape at 9-10 watts, using a nearly 2Ω coil -- definitely not the common style, these days.
And naturally they recommend that people "switch immediately" to vaping, since that's how they make their money -- but it's not necessarily the best or right way for everyone. I thought vaping rocked because I didn't have to drop coffin nails like a hot rock, the way I did with patches, but could gradually transition at my own pace and comfort level -- it took me a month, but I know of several long-time vapers who took a LOT longer than that to make the full transition, but because they did it in a way that was comfortable to them, vaping really *sticks* -- there's no resentment.
And the thing about selling only to former or aspiring-former smokers... sorry, but that's just plain fucked up. Vaping is every bit as valuable to PREVENT smoking, as to cure it -- and you know the adage about an ounce of prevention, right? Telling people they have to join the Idiot Club to "qualify" for vaping is just evil, as well as VERY short-sighted.
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And naturally they recommend that people "switch immediately" to vaping, since that's how they make their money -- but it's not necessarily the best or right way for everyone. I thought vaping rocked because I didn't have to drop coffin nails like a hot rock, the way I did with patches, but could gradually transition at my own pace and comfort level -- it took me a month, but I know of several long-time vapers who took a LOT longer than that to make the full transition, but because they did it in a way that was comfortable to them, vaping really *sticks* -- there's no resentment.
And the thing about selling only to former or aspiring-former smokers... sorry, but that's just plain fucked up. Vaping is every bit as valuable to PREVENT smoking, as to cure it -- and you know the adage about an ounce of prevention, right? Telling people they have to join the Idiot Club to "qualify" for vaping is just evil, as well as VERY short-sighted.
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I vape about three 120ml's a month.
I guess that's about 90ml's a week.
To be safe i'd round up and say I vape 100ml's a week.
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I was in the hospital for about 9 days back in August 2012 with patches and a gas station cigilike when I quit.
I had a kit waiting for me when I got home and used the device and patch for a few more weeks.
Of course I was using a horrible ego/CE4 type device because it was September 2012.
Then I got a Vamo V2 with a glass Protank V1 around Christmas.
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My very first vape was a cigalike, though a somewhat better one than the drugstore disposables -- an eRoll. Because I thought the form factor was really important; I had to use it for a while to realize that it really wasn't all that important, and when I got my next one, an iTaste vv3 with a Kanger T3S, I knew for sure -- form factor means nothing, it's all about the HIT. But, even the cigalike was sufficient to convince me, over about a month's time, that "this could really work" -- and when I got the pen-style, I knew for sure, and promptly laid the cigarettes down.
But many long-term smokers have to convince themselves that vaping really is a good substitute for smoking; that was definitely the case for me, and I think it went as fast as it did because I'd been wanting to be a non-smoker for nearly as long as I'd been a smoker, I just couldn't figure out how to get there without terrible suffering. While it's true that some manage to switch 100% just by walking by a vape shop, I think that's far from the norm; I hate to see a shop catering more to their own bottom-line than to the idea that smokers can switch at a pace that's comfortable for them -- sure, if one is comfortable with an immediate and total switch, GREAT, do that... but it's a huge disservice to would-be quitters to insist that this is the only way or the best way -- it's NOT. If if had been presented to me that way, I'd have lost interest immediately, long before I could get close to even THE IDEA of quitting coffin nails. I started vaping so I could satisfy my habit indoors instead of freezing on the porch -- it was only when I saw what a great substitute vaping is, that I started pondering the idea of quitting smoking entirely.
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I dunno about "most folks". 30 ml lasts me a week, despite the fact that my coils are somewhat under one ohm. I think the prevalence of "sport vapers" on the forums may have skewed our perception of what goes on in the real world.
30ml lasts me a week also and I would have agreed with the rest about a year ago. Now, I'm not so sure. I think vape shops now are moving subohm tanks and high watt gear with 3mg juice because they know the real money is in juice sales.
Subjective observations, of course. But I used to see most people with plus ohm gear and blowing modest vaper. Now I mostly see subtanks and big clouds. On the forum side, I used to see most new members come here to learn the "sport", now they simply come with problems about their tank or mod(leaking, going through lots of coils,).
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Maybe so. I know that around here, I get a lot of "hey, do you even vape?" when I mention that I vape at 9-10 watts.
I use maybe 5ml daily, if I'm vaping normally; considerably less while I had the flu and really wasn't vaping much at all, just a few experimental mouth-only hits here and there.... and if I'm seriously stressed or seriously insomniac, I might vape a little more... but probably never more than about 7ml per day (which isn't much, really, but that comes to nearly 50ml per week, if I did a whole week of it).I don't understand AT ALL this phenom of wanting to fog up the whole house; it just seems like a whole new way to be an asshole, IMO, but whatever floats their boat and their spouse permits, I guess. I think that most folks who imagine that they "need" to vape that way would be surprised to find how little they really do *need* vaping, once they've been smoke-free for a year or two -- I went nearly 2 wks without vaping at all, while I had the flu, and didn't miss it whatsoever, until I got to about 10 days... then I missed it a little, but it didn't even come close to the level of need I felt when I would go even an hour without a cigarette. I'm vaping again now that the flu is gone, but I recognize now that I do it because a) I enjoy it, and b) if/when those random cigarette thoughts wander thru my head, vaping is unbeatable for banishing them. But I find it's not difficult at all to go however long I want, without vaping at all -- and for that knowledge, I'm very grateful to that damned awful flu!
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Me either.
Well, then I'm not like most folks, 'cause I need my vape. I'm smoke-free for over four years now, but take me someplace where I can't vape for more than an hour and and I start climbing the walls. Two hours and I'm looking for the fire axe to use to get out of the building. Nic gum makes it somewhat tolerable.
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I really thought that was the case for me, too, because if I go somewhere that I can't vape, I do get fidgety. But it seems, at least in my own case, that that was entirely a mental thing; in a situation where I literally CANNOT vape, other than tiny little mouth-only hits (because inhaling even at 9w felt like inhaling hot ground glass), it doesn't bother me at all to just leave it completely alone. No one could be more surprised about that than I am!
Maybe the nicotine level is the difference? I think you said you still vape at 12mg? I've been at 3mg for well over a year; there is literally no physical addiction whatever. However... one of the unpleasant features of this flu I just suffered was terrible diarrhea... and once I was able to resume vaping, I remembered that WTA had helped me with that, post-appendectomy, so I added a smidge of WTA to my vape for a few days... and sure enough, the diarrhea cleared right up. WTA really does have some powerful anti-inflammatory properties.
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Nah, I'm all the way down to... 13.
And I don't have the sense that I'm ready to go lower.
It is what it is; people are different.
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Yep, very true -- I smoked those 120mm long ultra-lights for a couple decades, but I was damned if I was ever gonna quit.
Till vaping came along and surprised the hell out of me. But despite my resistance to the idea of ANY suffering, I really was ready to become a non-smoker, I just needed a way to get there that didn't hurt so much. I wasn't getting a lot of nicotine from the ultra-lights, so I never could use more than 10mg without suffering dreadful nausea, and it really hasn't been hard at all to bring it down to 3mg, where I plan to stay. Reducing the WTA from 10% of my vape to none, that really was difficult, but I was determined to get free of it too, at my own pace, not because the stupid fucking gov't made it impossible to get.But I've never found any reason to go beyond my "tootle puffer" style of vaping. Don't need more vapor, what I make now is roughly equal to the smoke cloud I once exhaled, and smells one hell of a lot better, so that's fine. I'm very, very slowly reducing the amount of flavoring I use -- I've gotten my strawberry & cream down to 24% flavoring, and still enjoy it tremendously, though it does need a bit of a steep now, when it didn't used to need that at all. And I use hardly any Flash at all anymore; the tingle I always loved started bothering my nose, giving me a sensation similar to just before you sneeze, which really isn't pleasant when there's no sneeze to relieve it!
I don't know if I'll ever quit vaping; I used to think, never, nuh uh, not on your life... now, I just dunno. I never thought I'd quit smoking, and see how that worked out.
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I'm still of that mindset. I enjoyed smoking, but I wanted to quit due to the side effects, I just didn't think I could. I enjoy vaping and see no reason to quit.
30 ml a week? Really? That lasts me for about 10 days. I must be a lightweight. LOL! But then, I only smoked half a pack a day when I smoked, and I vape for the nicotine.