Temp control verses wattage in flavor builds

Papachaz · Jan 3, 2018

I’ve been building my own coils for about 4 years now, nic80 and kanthal. Recently I decided I was going to experiment with flavor builds instead of cloud chasing. I have never tried temp control. Just never had an interest in it before. I’ve heard temp control drains the battery slower and uses less juice. Is anyone using temp control for flavor chasing and do you think it’s better, worse or about the same as wattage mode.

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Angrygod50 · Jan 3, 2018

I've been vaping TC almost exclusively for over 2 years and get good flavor. I use SS316L others like SS403. There is a BIG BUT....most mods don't do TC very well. OK but not well and it doesn't make for a good experience. There is a learning curve and tweaking required. If you have a DNA mod use that.

Joyetech chips are fair but much better with Arctic Fox Firmware. Yihi chips are good. Smok sucks. Smoant and Voopoo are good.
The chip in the Coolfire's are ok. Just to name a few I have used but if if you get it right on a DNA or SXmini it's sweet. Battlestar is sweet also. I'm sure others will chime in with other mods that work well in TC.

Resistance is critical and everything must be clean, tight and stable when you set it up. You will feel a difference if it goes off by +/- 0.05Ω
If the mod allows it you will need to tweak the TCR depending on the quality of the mod and the programing. I find the brand and size of wire effects the settings also.

But I always over do things.

OCD kicks in and... too much information.

Right now my favorites for flavor are the Pulse 22 and the Dead Rabbit both with 26/30 SS316L Clapton single coils on DNA 75 mods around 0.35 to 0.45Ω 3mm cores.

You can take it as far as you want. Mods like the Battlestar have minimal set up and work very well or the DNA that lets you tailor everything and is sweet.

Good luck......A lot of people who try it, don't like it and give up before they figure it out or there using the wrong mod.

Papachaz · Jan 3, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
I've been vaping TC almost exclusively for over 2 years and get good flavor. I use SS316L others like SS403. There is a BIG BUT....most mods don't do TC very well. OK but not well and it doesn't make for a good experience. There is a learning curve and tweaking required. If you have a DNA mod use that.

Joyetech chips are fair but much better with Arctic Fox Firmware. Yihi chips are good. Smok sucks. Smoant and Voopoo are good.
The chip in the Coolfire's are ok. Just to name a few I have used but if if you get it right on a DNA or SXmini it's sweet. Battlestar is sweet also. I'm sure others will chime in with other mods that work well in TC.

Resistance is critical and everything must be clean, tight and stable when you set it up. You will feel a difference if it goes off by +/- 0.05Ω
If the mod allows it you will need to tweak the TCR depending on the quality of the mod and the programing. I find the brand and size of wire effects the settings also.

But I always over do things. OCD kicks in and... too much information.

Right now my favorites for flavor are the Pulse 22 and the Dead Rabbit both with 26/30 SS316L Clapton single coils on DNA 75 mods around 0.35 to 0.45Ω 3mm cores.

You can take it as far as you want. Mods like the Battlestar have minimal set up and work very well or the DNA that lets you tailor everything and is sweet.

Good luck......A lot of people who try it, don't like it and give up before they figure it out or there using the wrong mod.

Thanks for the info. Good stuff. I’m looking at picking up a DNA 75 mod this weekend. I know I’ve still got a lot of research to do before I can get a good grasp of how temp control functions.

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The Cromwell · Jan 3, 2018

You will need to go to SS if you want to do TC. N80 and Kanthal do not TC.

Papachaz · Jan 3, 2018

Thanks for the info. I’ll be picking up a DNA 75 mod this weekend. Looking forward to learning how to use it properly. Heard a lot of good things about them. I know I’ve still got a lot more research to do before I get a good grasp on how temp control works.

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Papachaz · Jan 3, 2018

The Cromwell said:
You will need to go to SS if you want to do TC. N80 and Kanthal do not TC.

I picked up a roll of SS316L this evening on my way home from work.

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Angrygod50 · Jan 3, 2018

Papachaz said:
I picked up a roll of SS316L this evening on my way home from work.

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Single wire or Clapton? Single I like 24G for single or dual with a bit of ramp up or 26G for dual coils in RDA and 28G for dual coils in my Baby Beast RBA.
With evolv you can watch the curves and then tweak the settings until you get something like this. Red is the temp curve from a cold coil. SMY SDNA 75 flat lining. 24G SS316L 0.25Ω

Papachaz · Jan 3, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
Single wire or Clapton? Single I like 24G for single or dual with a bit of ramp up or 26G for dual coils in RDA and 28G for dual coils in my Baby Beast RBA.
With evolv you can watch the curves and then tweak the settings until you get something like this. Red is the temp curve from a cold coil. SMY SDNA 75 flat lining. 24G SS316L 0.25Ω

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Right now just a single coil in my pharaoh mini. I got 24 gauge because that’s usually what I build with. I also have the baby beast rba as well as the big baby beast rba and I just picked up a spirals tank. Haven’t used the spirals tank at all yet.

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Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

IMO mech mods have the best temp control.

Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
A lot of people who try it, don't like it and give up before they figure it out or there using the wrong mod.

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Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

Carambrda said:

The ass hole speaks again...The threads about TC. You must have the lowest self esteem on the plaint. I truly feel sorry for people as pathetic as you are. You do realize no one thinks your anything but the biggest dick on the forum. It saddens me how sad your life must be. Maybe we can start a go fund me page to get you medical help or are you just off your meds.

Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

Carambrda said:
IMO mech mods have the best temp control.

His assholyness speaks so it must be gospel.

Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
The ass hole speaks again...The threads about TC. You must have the lowest self esteem on the plaint. I truly feel sorry for people as pathetic as you are. You do realize no one thinks your anything but the biggest dick on the forum. It saddens me how sad your life must be. Maybe we can start a go fund me page to get you medical help or are you just off your meds.

Reality check: a lot of people agree TC simply just sucks even after they did figure it out and they did choose the right mod, as the mod they chose is not just a single mod, but multiple ones each and every last one of which has been touted to be top notch by those who are pointed to in the meme I linked. If that annoys you so much, then thanks for proving my entire point I guess.

That said, I'm being dead serious every time when I say temp control is best compared to training wheels on a bicycle. There's zero punch to the vape so it's just anemic as fuck, and, if not, then it still doesn't vape any better because, then, it vapes exactly the same as power mode so it's all been a big waste of time. Self esteem and being an asshole or not has got jack nothing to do with any of this. If you can't avoid dry hits and you can't get a consistent vape without temp control, then simply just use it. But don't even think of necessarily always blaming it on people's lack of capability to set it up right, and don't even think of necessarily always blaming it on the mod. That's just you being such an obvious fuckass like usual, and that's also what the meme is so very clearly about.

Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

Carambrda said:
Reality check: a lot of people agree TC simply just sucks even after they did figure it out and they did choose the right mod, as the mod they chose is not just a single mod, but multiple ones each and every last one of which has been touted to be top notch by those who are pointed to in the meme I linked. If that annoys you so much, then thanks for proving my entire point I guess.

That said, I'm being dead serious every time when I say temp control is best compared to training wheels on a bicycle. There's zero punch to the vape so it's just anemic as fuck, and, if not, then it still doesn't vape any better because, then, it vapes exactly the same as power mode so it's all been a big waste of time. Self esteem and being an asshole or not has got jack nothing to do with any of this. If you can't avoid dry hits and you can't get a consistent vape without temp control, then simply just use it. But don't even think of necessarily always blaming it on people's lack of capability to set it up right, and don't even think of necessarily always blaming it on the mod. That's just you being such an obvious fuckass like usual, and that's also what the meme is so very clearly about.

His assholyness speaks so it must be true. If your not intelligent enough to figure it out you should just shut up and let your betters speak. Because your just proving how clueless you are. Your so narrow minded you can't see any reason people like what they like other that what pops in to your tiny mind and sadly think every.one must do what you say.

Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

Carambrda said:
That said, I'm being dead serious every time when I say temp control is best compared to training wheels on a bicycle. There's zero punch to the vape so it's just anemic as fuck, and, if not, then it still doesn't vape any better because, then, it vapes exactly the same as power mode so it's all been a big waste of time.

Your just too dumb to figure it out. So again your just trying to attack others for your own failings.

Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
Your just too dumb to figure it out. So again your just trying to attack others for your own failings.

Has it ever crossed your little mind that maybe it's just you who is too dumb to learn to avoid dry hits and get a consistent, much more satisfying vape by using power mode instead of temp control? :idea:

Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

Your proving what an unintelligent child you are for assuming I only TC. You must be the ASS part of assume.
Get an education if you want to play with adults. Growing up can be hard but worth it and you get to wear big boy paints.

Zohmbiebuilds · Jan 4, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
Your proving what an unintelligent child you are for assuming I only TC. You must be the ASS part of assume.
Get an education if you want to play with adults. Growing up can be hard but worth it and you get to wear big boy paints.

Dude chill the fuck out. He knows his shit. TC sucks imo. I get better not consistent vape and I'm not limited to certain wire.

Carambb, don't sink to this name calling. Your better than that. And angrygod stop your fucking name calling and try explaining yourself better.

Your calling caramb dumb, I know this person and have talked to him quite a bit. He is anything but dumb.

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Zohmbiebuilds · Jan 4, 2018

Temp control sucks balls. Big old groddy male prostitute syphalis discharge.

Your limited to only vaping on certain wire. It's not time effective, it doesn't save any of my batteries because it has no punch, I I keep fiddle fucking around until the vape is slightly better, but we've as satisfying as when I use power or VV.

The entire point of temp control is to take away that punch and equalize. If that's your type of vape that's great, I don't like it at all. And also, temp control works best when using round wire, or extremely small build. Staples, aliens, and anything with multi core is out, because it holds onto heat. And while you think TC is working, it works better with simple coil builds.

Hope this helped.

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Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

zombievapereview said:
TC sucks imo.

Great if you don't like TC don't use it but don't attack those that do or want to try.

zombievapereview said:
He is anything but dumb.

That maybe true but there's a difference between intelligent discussion and arrogant hate mongering. He always seems to turn threads in to arguments. He should learn that people do what they do for there own reasons and not immediately start trashing people because they have a different opinion. He does it all the time just to get a rise out of people. He loves it.

You said you don't like TC and and gave your reasons that's wonderful but you didn't try to trash others who do.
This thread is about helping someone who wants to try TC not about hating it.

He just wants to get me into a nobody wins argument about TC vs power mode. He does it to most everyone he disagrees with and he's arrogant and condescending about it. So yes I will attack him personalty rather than argue about it.

Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

zombievapereview said:
Temp control sucks balls. Big old groddy male prostitute syphalis discharge.

Your limited to only vaping on certain wire. It's not time effective, it doesn't save any of my batteries because it has no punch, I I keep fiddle fucking around until the vape is slightly better, but we've as satisfying as when I use power or VV.

The entire point of temp control is to take away that punch and equalize. If that's your type of vape that's great, I don't like it at all. And also, temp control works best when using round wire, or extremely small build. Staples, aliens, and anything with multi core is out, because it holds onto heat. And while you think TC is working, it works better with simple coil builds.

Hope this helped.

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See that's your opinion and you didn't trash anyone who has a different one. Good for you.

Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
Your proving what an unintelligent child you are for assuming I only TC. You must be the ASS part of assume.

I was ASSUMING you were going to leave.

Get an education if you want to play with adults. Growing up can be hard but worth it and you get to wear big boy paints.

Angrygod50 said:
Great if you don't like TC don't use it but don't attack those that do or want to try.

That maybe true but there's a difference between intelligent discussion and arrogant hate mongering. He always seems to turn threads in to arguments. He should learn that people do what they do for there own reasons and not immediately start trashing people because they have a different opinion. He does it all the time just to get a rise out of people. He loves it.

You said you don't like TC and and gave your reasons that's wonderful but you didn't try to trash others who do.
This thread is about helping someone who wants to try TC not about hating it.

He just wants to get me into a nobody wins argument about TC vs power mode. He does it to most everyone he disagrees with and he's arrogant and condescending about it. So yes I will attack him personalty rather than argue about it.

As a matter of true fact, you're the one who is trashing people by making the silly claim they either don't know how to set it up right or they chose the wrong mod. The pot is calling the kettle black... that is why I included the meme.

Angrygod50 · Jan 4, 2018

If that line offended you I apologize, my intention was to encourage him because he want's to try it not piss people off.
Maybe you should have said that instead of attacking me.

What's your reason for attacking me in the other thread when I told Lucy I haven't tried the VTC5a but try a 25R for a longer life in a DNA 75? Weather you think so or not the 25R is a good battery, not as good as a VTC5a but not everyone has bought or knows about them yet.

As much as I know about Lucy I'm reasonably certain she has 25R's that's why I mentioned them. Since I started using VTC5a's I don't put anything else in my mechanical mods. I'm using one right now. But I have no problems using VTC6, 25R, or HG2 hell I still use some older VTC4's.

Because I don't have a problem with changing batteries I don't have a problem using them and at $6.59 for a VTC5a verses $4.46 for a 25R I'll use them or recommend them when it's safe to do so. You don't like other batteries ok lets agree to disagree and play nice. Besides personalty I'm a cheap fuck..

I earlier highly recommended VTC5a's to a newbie looking for help who bought re-wraps.

Caspervapes · Jan 4, 2018

I like both tc and power. For tc, I've only tried it with ni200 though. My go to build was 3mm id 13 wrap single coil with 26g ni200 in a stro mini. Only tc device I have is an ipv4. It took some toying to get the setting dialed in to my liking but, once there, flavor was really good. I don' use tc very often though. I prefer using my limitless rdta plus and, I don' like the thought of rebuilding every time I need a new wick. That being said, if I had multiple mids, I'd probably leave my ipv4 set for tc.

On a side note, I agree with angrygod50 on the vtc5a. They are my favorite battery to use. I can go 5-6 ours with my 25r. I get 10-12 hours with vtc5a. Both used in same mod with same build and settings!

skt239 · Jan 4, 2018

@Carambrda and @zombievapereview

The guy wants to try TC and @Angrygod50 is trying to help him. Stop shitting on the dudes thread.

@Papachaz , If you want some files for the DNA 75, shoot me a PM and I'll send them to you. Welcome to the forum.

Mattp169 · Jan 4, 2018

IMHO there is no difference in flavor using either tc or power modes. the main difference is temp..how hot the vape feels in your mouth. the different wires plays a part in flavor difference. if you like kanthal then you need the fsk chip to even try tc. if youlike ss then no real difference in flavor. if you like nickel wire, when then your stuck using tc. if you like nichrome well you need an fsk chip again. each wire changes the flavor imho. i hate nickel
kathal and nichrome are ok but ss is the best for me. so there can be a difference in flavor from power to tc but only because of the wires not the actual mode. the mode may effect the temperature of the vape or allow you to adjust it

Papachaz · Jan 4, 2018

zombievapereview said:
Temp control sucks balls. Big old groddy male prostitute syphalis discharge.

Your limited to only vaping on certain wire. It's not time effective, it doesn't save any of my batteries because it has no punch, I I keep fiddle fucking around until the vape is slightly better, but we've as satisfying as when I use power or VV.

The entire point of temp control is to take away that punch and equalize. If that's your type of vape that's great, I don't like it at all. And also, temp control works best when using round wire, or extremely small build. Staples, aliens, and anything with multi core is out, because it holds onto heat. And while you think TC is working, it works better with simple coil builds.

Hope this helped.

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I’ve done the cloud chasing for years. Monster builds, high wattage. Experimented with all types of builds and wire. I realize that tc is going to be personal preference just like the wattage a person uses. What I’m looking for is info on personal experience. I’m still going to try it out and experiment with it because I’m looking to try something I haven’t tried before.

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Papachaz · Jan 4, 2018

skt239 said:
@Carambrda and @zombievapereview

The guy wants to try TC and @Angrygod50 is trying to help him. Stop shitting on the dudes thread.

@Papachaz , If you want some files for the DNA 75, shoot me a PM and I'll send them to you. Welcome to the forum.

Thanks. Sent you a pm.

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Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

skt239 said:
@Carambrda and @zombievapereview

The guy wants to try TC and @Angrygod50 is trying to help him. Stop shitting on the dudes thread.

@Papachaz , If you want some files for the DNA 75, shoot me a PM and I'll send them to you. Welcome to the forum.

The guy asked about temp control vs wattage in flavor builds. I gave him an honest opinion so better luck to you and your ilk next time.

Papachaz · Jan 4, 2018

Ok guys. This has gotten a little out of hand here. I’m an experienced builder and I also make my own juices as well as the flavors for them. I am wanting to hear personal experiences and info about the type of builds, mods, tanks, etc that people use. If you don’t like tc, that’s ok also. Tell me why you don’t. I have been doing research and there does seem to be more of a learning curve than there was with regular builds. If you want to share info with me. Thank you it is greatly appreciated. If you just want to be a troll and argue then piss off and go find another thread.

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Carambrda · Jan 4, 2018

Papachaz said:
Ok guys. This has gotten a little out of hand here. I’m an experienced builder and I also make my own juices as well as the flavors for them. I am wanting to hear personal experiences and info about the type of builds, mods, tanks, etc that people use. If you don’t like tc, that’s ok also. Tell me why you don’t. I have been doing research and there does seem to be more of a learning curve than there was with regular builds. If you want to share info with me. Thank you it is greatly appreciated. If you just want to be a troll and argue then piss off and go find another thread.

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I use RDAs only, ranging from a 19.5mm deck (Purge Mods) to the Obese Buddha. RDAs give me better flavor than any other type of atomizer. I lean heavily towards mechs of various types and sizes, all of them high end or what I would call "entry-level high end", but sometimes use either a PWM mod (Surric Vapes X-Vault) or a Reuleaux RX300 with a power curve in ArcticFox firmware─as power curves used for preheat are a great way to improve flavor on builds that don't lend themselves well for, or aren't usable on, any mech mod nor my Surric. The power curves feature offered by ArcticFox is unique in that it automatically scales, precentage-wise, relative to the watts you set on the mod, the power output that results from the curve.

As for the type of builds I use... I got into building my own coils after my 4th week of vaping, and, I always build for flavor, but nevertheless I can't enjoy flavor if I find that the feel and quantity of the vapor are lacking. My first coil build that I built (after my 4th week of vaping) was a dual coil staple staggered fused clapton build that ohmed out at .11 ohms in the 25mm Troll RDA 2. Watching Squidoode's build video and Coil Mother Fudger's button trick video (both are on YouTube) is how I managed to slowly, but surely, pull this off before I learned how to make a simple clapton. The flavor on this turned out to be exactly as promised by Squidoode himself... I quote: a flavor chaser's wet dream.

Caspervapes · Jan 4, 2018

From my experience, their is a learning curve. Best thing I can suggest is determine what mod and rda/rta/rdta you want you start working in tc with. Find other tc vapers runnng a similar set. Talk to them about tc builds they've tried along with settings. Take that as a starting point. Once you have a starting point, then you can play with the settings until they meet your needs! I myself still want to get some SS wire someday and revisit tc.

Zohmbiebuilds · Jan 5, 2018

Angrygod50 said:
See that's your opinion and you didn't trash anyone who has a different one. Good for you.

I never attacked you lol. Stop being a pussy dude chill out

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Zohmbiebuilds · Jan 5, 2018

Honestly words are words. Who gives a fuck. I personally look at being attacked as physical.

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HondaDavidson · Jan 5, 2018

Papachaz said:
I’ve been building my own coils for about 4 years now, nic80 and kanthal. Recently I decided I was going to experiment with flavor builds instead of cloud chasing. I have never tried temp control. Just never had an interest in it before. I’ve heard temp control drains the battery slower and uses less juice. Is anyone using temp control for flavor chasing and do you think it’s better, worse or about the same as wattage mode.

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For me juice consumption and battery life are about the same TC vs VW..... I also find it is always easier to get a build dialed in regulation wise using VW. But once you do get TC dialed in on a build.. It can be slightly better... I use a Pico75 running Arctic Fox . I use TCR settings for TC and a custom wattage curve for VW.

Papachaz · Jan 5, 2018

HondaDavidson said:
For me juice consumption and battery life are about the same TC vs VW..... I also find it is always easier to get a build dialed in regulation wise using VW. But once you do get TC dialed in on a build.. It can be slightly better... I use a Pico75 running Arctic Fox . I use TCR settings for TC and a custom wattage curve for VW.

I have a pico 75 also. I’ve never tried Arctic Fox but with all the people talking about it I think I’m going to have to check it out this evening. Thanks for the input.

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skt239 · Jan 5, 2018

Papachaz said:
Thanks. Sent you a pm.

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Files sent.

Papachaz · Jan 5, 2018

So. I’ve downloaded Arctic Fox and loaded that onto my reuleaux rx200s. Been playing around with the settings and I really like the level of customization you can get with it. I also have a therion dna 75 c on the way. Really looking forward to getting that. Now that I’ve found a new outlet in temp control for my excessive need to experiment I am of course going to have to also go on a quest for the holy grail of temp control rtas and rbas...... Well I really don’t need that money to retire on anyway. I’ll just keep working until I die on the job.

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Synphul · Jan 7, 2018

I like temp control, primarily use ss316L whether for wattage or tc. It's nice not having to choose which tank/rda to use based on which coil is installed if I want to switch. Some assume it's training wheels to prevent dry hits, I can prevent dry hits on rda's in wattage mode just fine. It's more about consistency for me. That sort of ties in with the fact I prefer regulated to mech mods and in wattage mode regulated mods keep applying more and more heat to the coil. If taking a more relaxed 4-5s vape (my personal preference) there's either the choice of running it a but underpowered so it starts off weak then builds warmth or starts off good and winds up hot and burnt tasting. With tc I can avoid that and have better control to tailor the vape how I like it.

A lot of it really depends on the mod, many of them suck at tc. My old istick does tc ok, not great but not shit either and it's about what I expected from a $28 mod. The alien was flat trash in tc. Like cruise control on a car that's incapable of making minor adjustments to the throttle to increase or decrease power as needed, either foot fully on the gas or completely off. A second or two into the vape and it was scalding hot way over temp then like sucking air after releasing the fire button - then ramping up to scalding again.

Now I'm using a revenger mod, much better than the alien. In addition to tc it also has custom wattage curves which can be set to make it react more like a mech or like direct wattage controlled 'temp control' by starting with a higher wattage for ramp up, then over time decreasing power to compensate for a coil that's already heated up. Temp control mode works well and it also has temp curves so you're not stuck with a single temp but can change the temp higher or lower throughout the vape.

I personally haven't had trouble using temp control whether it's a single round wire, parallel single wires, twisted, fused clapton or twisted paralleled with single. My coils are spaced but I space them anyway. Dna and yihi are definitely good choices, I just prefer to go with less expensive mods. Easier on the budget, if one breaks, dies, gets lost or whatever then no big deal.

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