18650 Battery Advice / Suggestions

jojosvapes · Jan 2, 2018

I am looking to get some new batteries. I have always just used the guidance of local shops so dont truly understand the battery world of vaping and it seems the more I read the more conflicting info I come across. The last local purchase were MXJO 20A 3500mah. I am looking to get a battery to compare with these as I have doubts they are truly as labeled.

From Mooch's review here http://vaping360.com/top-5-18650-batteries-for-vaping/ I was thinking about trying the LG HG2 or Samsung 30Q.

I also see a number of batteries on lionwholesale that are marketed as 3500mah such as the "EFEST IMR 18650 3500MAH 20A"
https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/3500mah+18650

One of the biggest interest I have is capacity as I often chain vape. At the same time I dont understand enough to know if a high amp on a lower mah would still outlast a lower amp on a higher mah.

This new set of batteries will mostly be used on a lost vape paranormal 166 (DNA250) most of the builds I use are .2 and up (40-60watts or 60watt temp 400-500).

Any suggestions, advice or knowledge that can be shared is greatly appreciated-thanks in advance.

Just Frank · Jan 2, 2018

jojosvapes said:
I am looking to get some new batteries. I have always just used the guidance of local shops so dont truly understand the battery world of vaping and it seems the more I read the more conflicting info I come across. The last local purchase were MXJO 20A 3500mah. I am looking to get a battery to compare with these as I have doubts they are truly as labeled.

From Mooch's review here http://vaping360.com/top-5-18650-batteries-for-vaping/ I was thinking about trying the LG HG2 or Samsung 30Q.

I also see a number of batteries on lionwholesale that are marketed as 3500mah such as the "EFEST IMR 18650 3500MAH 20A"
https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/3500mah+18650

One of the biggest interest I have is capacity as I often chain vape. At the same time I dont understand enough to know if a high amp on a lower mah would still outlast a lower amp on a higher mah.

This new set of batteries will mostly be used on a lost vape paranormal 166 (DNA250) most of the builds I use are .2 and up.

Any suggestions, advice or knowledge that can be shared is greatly appreciated-thanks in advance.

I asked a few battery questions in a mech thread yesterday. Seems that people aren't big on Efest. Someone said they were rejected batteries from one of the bigger companies. The numbers on the side like "35A" are pulse rating, not continuous discharge. Polished turds was the vibe I got lol.

Angrygod50 · Jan 2, 2018

If you look at Liion all the Sony, Samsung and LG batteries say genuine and tested. The others don't because there re-wraps and who knows whats under the wrapper. The Sony VTC5a is the hot battery right now for everything. I use Sony VTC6 or Samsung 25R in my dual battery mods and the 25R, VTC5 or VTC5a in single battery mods. I also use LG HG2's in ether single or dual battery mods. I also don't vape high watts. Others like the 30Q but I have never used them so I really don't know. Can't go wrong with the VTC5a.
You usually won't see much difference in run time between 2500-2600 and 3000 mah batteries.
I'm sure others will chime in with there thoughts, they may differ and I'm sure they will.

Letitia9 · Jan 2, 2018

I'm generally in the 23-27w range with my Nanos and Samsung 30q and LG HG2 give me great life. Not so much when I'm at 45-50w. I was going to look into the Sony VCT5a for those.Not sure if I would get better life tho as they are 2500mah.

Carambrda · Jan 2, 2018

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-vs-samsung-30q-vs-sony-vtc6-shootout.757553/

Letitia9 · Jan 2, 2018

Carambrda said:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-vs-samsung-30q-vs-sony-vtc6-shootout.757553/

Thank you. I was looking for that earlier today, had read it and forgotten what Mooch said. That thread is why I switched to 30q for the Nanos. Could not remember the VTC6. Will pick up 8 of those for the Fireluke and Zeus.

Carambrda · Jan 2, 2018

Just Frank said:
I asked a few battery questions in a mech thread yesterday. Seems that people aren't big on Efest. Someone said they were rejected batteries from one of the bigger companies. The numbers on the side like "35A" are pulse rating, not continuous discharge. Polished turds was the vibe I got lol.

Rewraps are not rejects so this "someone" was wrong. A lot of people are spreading misinformation about batteries a lot.

Code:

https://youtu.be/jg1M7QQVIAQ?t=2467

Letitia9 · Jan 2, 2018

Carambrda said:
Rewraps are not rejects so this "someone" was wrong. A lot of people are spreading misinformation about batteries a lot.

Code:

https://youtu.be/jg1M7QQVIAQ?t=2467

Some are b bin batteries but some are simply rebranded.

Carambrda · Jan 2, 2018

Letitia9 said:
Some are b bin batteries but some are simply rebranded.

Mooch said we might not even have seen a grade A battery because all of those are being bought by high end equipment manufacturers so they simply aren't available to mere consumers. We get a mix of different grades, and in fact we don't actually even know which grades we get.

The performance difference between different grades is small, typically not more than just a few percent. What really matters is that rewraps are often lower grades AND are often more expensive. What often matters even more is that rewrap companies might suddenly decide to switch the battery under the wrap. For 18650 batteries there's no need to buy rewraps. That's because great performing non-rewrap 18650 batteries are widely available. (For non-18650 batteries, such as 20700 batteries, for example, it looks like the non-rewraps right now are in most cases nowhere to be found, but nevertheless these rewraps have already become increasingly popular among vapers─and for good reason.)

jojosvapes · Jan 2, 2018

OK so after watching some videos and reading many many post both others and mooch. Even had to spend some time on the darkside (ECF comes to mind

) I also located the chart below. I have purchased some LG HG2 from RTD, I am also going to buy a pair each of Sony VTC6 & Sammy 30Qs. I am thinking I will like the HG2's better as they have a constant 20A. I really am not finding anything with higher mah that seems accurate in its marketing/test by mooch or others.

I also have to admit I was shocked as hell to see the MXJO greens I had were not even close to the marketed 20A and only hitting 11A

They preform ok for me, but I feel lied to and if someone used those ratings in a mech mod I think they could ended up in an unsafe scenario. But on my mech mods I dont put low builds in, I them tend to stay 3-5 range. And now understanding most other brands are rewraps- not that this is bad (but I dont have anyway of testing my batteries to know what I truly have). It will be fun to see how a correctly labeled OEM battery preforms compared to what I am used to using.

https://image.ibb.co/d3aXgb/6134_C57_B_49_C5_4123_A78_E_EE92_B34265_BC.jpg

Carambrda · Jan 2, 2018

jojosvapes said:
OK so after watching some videos and reading many many post both others and mooch. Even had to spend some time on the darkside (ECF comes to mind ) I also located the chart below. I have purchased some LG HG2 from RTD, I am also going to buy a pair each of Sony VTC6 & Sammy 30Qs. I am thinking I will like the HG2's better as they have a constant 20A.

Out of those three, the LG HG2 is the worst performer. The Sony VTC6 runs at a higher voltage for longer so, despite all three batteries are 3000 mAh, the VTC6 runs about 100 mAh longer than the Samsung 30Q, and, because you will be enjoying this 100 mAh difference for a really very long time to come, the price gap between the VTC6 and the other two will be easy to justify─as it actually boils down to only a few cents per day so why skimp on batteries?

I really am not finding anything with higher mah that seems accurate in its marketing/test by mooch or others.

The LG MJ1 has higher mAh, BUT... you shouldn't expect it to perform better than the VTC6 at those kinds of watts. That's because the more you stress a battery, the less efficient the battery becomes... so you aren't truly getting that extra mAh you were hoping to get. Runtime is expressed in Wh (watt hours), not mAh. It means you can't simply ignore the volts that the battery runs at, which equals the resting voltage minus the voltage sag.

I also have to admit I was shocked as hell to see the MXJO greens I had were not even close to the marketed 20A and only hitting 11A They preform ok for me, but I feel lied to and if someone used those ratings in a mech mod I think they could ended up in an unsafe scenario.

To someone who doesn't know that these aren't truly 20 amp batteries, these are highly dangerous. (Even, if the mod in question is a regulated mod.)

But on my mech mods I dont put low builds in, I them tend to stay 3-5 range. And now understanding most other brands are rewraps- not that this is bad (but I dont have anyway of testing my batteries to know what I truly have). It will be fun to see how a correctly labeled OEM battery preforms compared to what I am used to using.

On a single 18650 battery tube mech, grab the Sony VTC5A.

https://image.ibb.co/d3aXgb/6134_C57_B_49_C5_4123_A78_E_EE92_B34265_BC.jpg

Lucros · Jan 3, 2018

jojosvapes said:
I am looking to get some new batteries. I have always just used the guidance of local shops so dont truly understand the battery world of vaping and it seems the more I read the more conflicting info I come across. The last local purchase were MXJO 20A 3500mah. I am looking to get a battery to compare with these as I have doubts they are truly as labeled.

From Mooch's review here http://vaping360.com/top-5-18650-batteries-for-vaping/ I was thinking about trying the LG HG2 or Samsung 30Q.

I also see a number of batteries on lionwholesale that are marketed as 3500mah such as the "EFEST IMR 18650 3500MAH 20A"
https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/3500mah+18650

One of the biggest interest I have is capacity as I often chain vape. At the same time I dont understand enough to know if a high amp on a lower mah would still outlast a lower amp on a higher mah.

This new set of batteries will mostly be used on a lost vape paranormal 166 (DNA250) most of the builds I use are .2 and up (40-60watts or 60watt temp 400-500).

Any suggestions, advice or knowledge that can be shared is greatly appreciated-thanks in advance.

I would just grab either some vtc5a or vtc5, I like my lg hb6, there 30 amp 1500 mah but those are basically just for my tube mech. But definitely go to www.imrbatteries.com , they include free battery case with your order, there prices are amazing, ($5 hb6, $7 for vtc5a), and they have great shipping

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ASGP · Feb 23, 2018

jojosvapes said:
I am looking to get some new batteries. I have always just used the guidance of local shops so dont truly understand the battery world of vaping and it seems the more I read the more conflicting info I come across. The last local purchase were MXJO 20A 3500mah. I am looking to get a battery to compare with these as I have doubts they are truly as labeled.

From Mooch's review here http://vaping360.com/top-5-18650-batteries-for-vaping/ I was thinking about trying the LG HG2 or Samsung 30Q.

I also see a number of batteries on lionwholesale that are marketed as 3500mah such as the "EFEST IMR 18650 3500MAH 20A"
https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/3500mah+18650

One of the biggest interest I have is capacity as I often chain vape. At the same time I dont understand enough to know if a high amp on a lower mah would still outlast a lower amp on a higher mah.

This new set of batteries will mostly be used on a lost vape paranormal 166 (DNA250) most of the builds I use are .2 and up (40-60watts or 60watt temp 400-500).

Any suggestions, advice or knowledge that can be shared is greatly appreciated-thanks in advance.

Here recently I've been on the same mission of trying to find the best battery in terms of capacity. I had been using the LG HG2s for a long time and they are always solid. Just got some Sony VTC6s and they seem to have a longer life for me even though these are both rated 3000mah. I'm far from an expert on this though just my opinion. Also i found this chart in my research which has some pretty good info on some batteries and the amps you should be using. Hope this helps!

Carambrda · Feb 23, 2018

ASGP said:
Here recently I've been on the same mission of trying to find the best battery in terms of capacity. I had been using the LG HG2s for a long time and they are always solid. Just got some Sony VTC6s and they seem to have a longer life for me even though these are both rated 3000mah. I'm far from an expert on this though just my opinion. Also i found this chart in my research which has some pretty good info on some batteries and the amps you should be using. Hope this helps!View attachment 104993

Here's an explanation (by the same author as that chart you posted) of why the VTC6 runs longer than the HG2 despite they both have the exact same 3000 mAh rating. I'll also add that, in this same video, he also mentioned that he is doing some additional testing in order to shed some light on whether or not the faster aging of the VTC6 in comparison to the 30Q under real-world vaping circumstances will be noticeable enough to be worth taking into consideration when deciding on which 3000 mAh 18650 battery to buy... I'm guessing it won't, or maybe it barely will, because, well... just because his previous tests have shown that the VTC6 ages noticeably faster if driven to high temperatures versus the 30Q if driven to equally high temperatures, doesn't also mean we should ever drive our batteries to those same high temperatures. Ever. So basically, I predict the outcome of his testing will be that, under normal battery temparatures, it just doesn't matter, and, about that price gap... you'd have to be pretty strapped for cash if you're worried about saving a few cents per day to be able to justify skimping on the performance. (In another recent video of his, I literally heard him say that batteries are dirt cheap even though he always keeps complaining he doesn't have any money. lol

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ASGP · Feb 23, 2018

Carambrda said:
Here's an explanation (by the same author as that chart you posted) of why the VTC6 runs longer than the HG2 despite they both have the exact same 3000 mAh rating. I'll also add that, in this same video, he also mentioned that he is doing some additional testing in order to shed some light on whether or not the faster aging of the VTC6 in comparison to the 30Q under real-world vaping circumstances will be noticeable enough to be worth taking into consideration when deciding on which 3000 mAh 18650 battery to buy... I'm guessing it won't, or maybe it barely will, because, well... just because his previous tests have shown that the VTC6 ages noticeably faster if driven to high temperatures versus the 30Q if driven to equally high temperatures, doesn't also mean we should ever drive our batteries to those same high temperatures. Ever. So basically, I predict the outcome of his testing will be that, under normal battery temparatures, it just doesn't matter, and, about that price gap... you'd have to be pretty strapped for cash if you're worried about saving a few cents per day to be able to justify skimping on the performance. (In another recent video of his, I literally heard him say that batteries are dirt cheap even though he always keeps complaining he doesn't have any money. lol )

Thanks for passing on the info. It's good to see some real evidence to confirm my theory. Lol

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