Hey peeps, Time for a new RDA?

1NteL · Dec 9, 2017

Hey guys, I'm looking for a new RDA, now I was looking at the Goon 1.5, Kennedy 24, Reload 1.5 or the Apocalypse gen2.

I always use dual coils, low builds.

I currently own a Rashomon which has bottom airflow and its really good flavour wise and just a nice vape in general.

Last RDA I had prior was a dotmod petri. Are bottom airflow RDA's the way to go? I do like the look of the apocalypse but was unsure, if people have tried all of these and had any feedback, cheers!

r055co · Dec 9, 2017

1NteL said:
Hey guys, I'm looking for a new RDA, now I was looking at the Goon 1.5, Kennedy 24, Reload 1.5 or the Apocalypse gen2.

I always use dual coils, low builds.

I currently own a Rashomon which has bottom airflow and its really good flavour wise and just a nice vape in general.

Last RDA I had prior was a dotmod petri. Are bottom airflow RDA's the way to go? I do like the look of the apocalypse but was unsure, if people have tried all of these and had any feedback, cheers!

Out of those 4 in order of preference
Reload 1.5
Kennedy 24
Apocalypse gen2
Goon 1.5

Personally I really, really love the Reload, the Kennedy is very good also but the Reload is just that good. Also the Apocalypse IMO stomps the Goon, better flavor and it's also made in the US unlike the Goon.

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Carambrda · Dec 9, 2017

I'd stick to the Kennedy... I have both the 24 brass and the 25 brass. With the Reload you get 4 posts, which makes it a lot easier to build, but if you pour juice down the middle it just seeps into the pipes, and, with aggressive low builds, I like the coils positioned to the side... 2nd from that list for me is the Goon 1.5 for big builds because with my Half Moon Mods drip tips it has better flavor than the Apocalypse Gen2 while none of my Goon/Kennedy style drip tips fit on the latter one despite they did write on their website that they fit so why bother.

r055co · Dec 9, 2017

Carambrda said:
I'd stick to the Kennedy... I have both the 24 brass and the 25 brass. With the Reload you get 4 posts, which makes it a lot easier to build, but if you pour juice down the middle it just seeps into the pipes, and, with aggressive low builds, I like the coils positioned to the side... 2nd from that list for me is the Goon 1.5 for big builds because with my Half Moon Mods drip tips it has better flavor than the Apocalypse Gen2 while none of my Goon/Kennedy style drip tips fit on the latter one despite they did write on their website that they fit so why bother.

I squeeze my juice down the middle with my Reload's without any issues with leaking unless I over drip. This goes the same with my Kennedy, I actually find my Reload to be a bit more forgiving.

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Carambrda · Dec 9, 2017

r055co said:
I squeeze my juice down the middle with my Reload's without any issues with leaking unless I over drip. This goes the same with my Kennedy, I actually find my Reload to be a bit more forgiving.

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Could be it depends on what coil build you have in the Reload, but pouring juice down the middle the juice runs over the coils, straight down the tubes each and every single time. It is a common issue with bottom airflow RDAs that have the coils positioned too close to the center, and, like I said low ohm builds with aggressive vapor production just don't gel well with this particular design concept... IMO anyway.

r055co · Dec 9, 2017

Carambrda said:
Could be it depends on what coil build you have in the Reload, but pouring juice down the middle the juice runs over the coils, straight down the tubes each and every single time. It is a common issue with bottom airflow RDAs that have the coils positioned too close to the center, and, like I said low ohm builds with aggressive vapor production just don't gel well with this particular design concept... IMO anyway.

Yeah you build insane low builds, bottom air isn't optimal for insane low builds.

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Carambrda · Dec 10, 2017

r055co said:
Yeah you build insane low builds, bottom air isn't optimal for insane low builds.

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A dual coil aliens build at .11 ohms (27g / 36g Ni80, 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm ID) is quite optimal for me regardless of whether it has bottom air, and, if .11 meets your own definition of "insane", then what do you call someone who vapes at .05 ohms? Hasn't it crossed your mind yet that maybe you just try to talk people into building insanely high?

r055co · Dec 10, 2017

Carambrda said:
A dual coil aliens build at .11 ohms (27g / 36g Ni80, 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm ID) is quite optimal for me regardless of whether it has bottom air, and, if .11 meets your own definition of "insane", then what do you call someone who vapes at .05 ohms? Hasn't it crossed your mind yet that maybe you just try to talk people into building insanely high?

No I remember you saying you vape around 0.08 ohms, that's insane. 0.11 is too hot and no where enjoyable for myself. I vape between 0.16-0.22, normally. Below that just heats the shit out of the device and just a lot of waste.

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Carambrda · Dec 10, 2017

r055co said:
No I remember you saying you vape around 0.08 ohms, that's insane. 0.11 is too hot and no where enjoyable for myself. I vape between 0.16-0.22, normally. Below that just heats the shit out of the device and just a lot of waste.

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I have only one coil build that's .08 ohms. It's nowhere nearly insane, but the .11 ohms version I like better, and it is a really very cool vape... hot is a .28 ohms build with Kanthal cores on a stacked mech, and, speaking of "normal", it is your own definition of it that's just thoroughly abnormal.

r055co · Dec 10, 2017

Carambrda said:
I have only one coil build that's .08 ohms. It's nowhere nearly insane, but the .11 ohms version I like better, and it is a really very cool vape... hot is a .28 ohms build with Kanthal cores on a stacked mech, and, speaking of "normal", it is your own definition of it that's just thoroughly abnormal.

0.00 is a dead short so anything under 0.1 I would classify as insane. I agree with 0.28 on a series Mod is also insane. Anyway for me as I said below 0.15 is too hot for me unless it's all air which kills the flavor and density. On my 30mm attys though I build around 0.14 due to larger deck.

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Carambrda · Dec 10, 2017

r055co said:
0.00 is a dead short so anything under 0.1 I would classify as insane. I agree with 0.28 on a series Mod is also insane. Anyway for me as I said below 0.15 is too hot for me unless it's all air which kills the flavor and density. On my 30mm attys though I build around 0.14 due to larger deck.

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For me, anyone who talks like you do is insane, not due to how you vape, but due to how you talk about ohms. On a 30mm RDA with a series mech and dual iJoy 26650 batteries I vape at .24 ohms... the .28 that I mentioned is on an RDA the deck of which is only 19.5mm (Purge Mods Head Shot).

r055co · Dec 10, 2017

Carambrda said:
For me, anyone who talks like you do is insane, not due to how you vape, but due to how you talk about ohms. On a 30mm RDA with a series mech and dual iJoy 26650 batteries I vape at .24 ohms... the .28 that I mentioned is on an RDA the deck of which is only 19.5mm (Purge Mods Head Shot).

Really, so 0.00Ω isn't a dead short????

Carambrda · Dec 10, 2017

r055co said:
Really, so 0.00Ω isn't a dead short????

It is, but .04 ohms is not. Let alone .08 ohms so I really have no idea what you must be getting at here... I'm not overheating the battery, I'm not letting the fire button get accidentally pressed in any way whatsoever, and I'm sure as fuck not causing any dead short either because I know what I'm doing, and I know it well enough to also understand it's all about duty cycles─just like Mooch explained it in this video interview:

So now let me ask you a simple question. Do you even know what "duty cycles" are?

r055co · Dec 10, 2017

Carambrda said:
It is, but .04 ohms is not. Let alone .08 ohms so I really have no idea what you must be getting at here... I'm not overheating the battery, I'm not letting the fire button get accidentally pressed in any way whatsoever, and I'm sure as fuck not causing any dead short either because I know what I'm doing, and I know it well enough to also understand it's all about duty cycles─just like Mooch explained it in this video interview:

So now let me ask you a simple question. Do you even know what "duty cycles" are?

Oh things like battery sag, discrepancies in things like Ohm reader, the Mod, etc. etc.

r055co · Dec 10, 2017

Additionally you ought to watch where Mooch talks about building stupid low like that pushing the batteries so hard there is little to no benefit to the abuse you're pushing your batteries.

Carambrda · Dec 10, 2017

r055co said:
Additionally you ought to watch where Mooch talks about building stupid low like that pushing the batteries so hard there is little to no benefit to the abuse you're pushing your batteries.

So? Everyone still has to decide for him/herself what "little to no benefit" actually means so, to me, personally, at .11 ohms appears to be about the sweet spot on a single VTC5A, and, believe it or not, the battery doesn't even get any warmer than 45°C even if I moderately chain vape on it, which is something that I also happen to do pretty much all the time in fact. You're just being paranoid about the simple fact other people do know what they're doing, thereby you are making it increasingly clear you don't know what you think you know.

r055co · Dec 10, 2017

Carambrda said:
So? Everyone still has to decide for him/herself what "little to no benefit" actually means so, to me, personally, at .11 ohms appears to be about the sweet spot on a single VTC5A, and, believe it or not, the battery doesn't even get any warmer than 45°C even if I moderately chain vape on it, which is something that I also happen to do pretty much all the time in fact. You're just being paranoid about the simple fact other people do know what they're doing, thereby you are making it increasingly clear you don't know what you think you know.

OK if you say so

Zohmbiebuilds · Dec 11, 2017

Every one has there own ideas. If you have done your homework go for it. Only you can tell if your being safe, and if it's worth it to seriously push and put strain on your batteries.

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Mista Malice · Dec 11, 2017

I have 3 of the 4 you listed and I like the Reload 1.5 best. The Apocalypse and Goon 1.5 are tied for me, but they're right at the Reloads Heels. The Tear Drop AFC is very nice on the Apocalypse and I think its a better Airflow Setup than the Goon 1.5. When I first bought my Apocalypse, the Top Cap provided could only do Dual Coil AFC. I bought a separate Top Cap that can do both Single and Duals now, but it might just come with that Top Cap now (not a biggie if it doesn't if your only running duals, but its nice to have the option for a Single IMO). I like the Clamps better on the Goon 1.5 and you can fit some Ridiculously Large/Wide Builds on it, which is Great! The Clamps on the Apocalypse have the screw down the Center of the Clamp and you kind of have to run leads on each side of the screw or place them in front of the screw (on a Wide Coil build) and it won’t grip the Leads as tight. The Dual AFC setup on the Goon 1.5 is Flawed if you wanna wanna restrict it due to the Single AFC slot on the Top Cap, and you can only close the Dual Slots about halfway before that single slot interferes on one side. The Reload is Solid and it’s built extremely well and the only con I have with it is it can’t be Squonked (The Next Reload is BF though!). You won’t be able to fit as Wide of a build as you can Throw on the other 2, but it still handles some pretty beefy Coils. All 3 are Good RDA’s and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed in any of them. I’ve heard good things about the Kennedy as well and it should rate right on par with the others as well.

Carambrda · Dec 11, 2017

zombievapereview said:
Every one has there own ideas. If you have done your homework go for it. Only you can tell if your being safe, and if it's worth it to seriously push and put strain on your batteries.

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The simple fact I haven't worn out my VTC5A batteries despite I have been vaping on them for 11 months already proves I am seriously not pushing anything of the sort. To compare a .11 ohms build on a single VTC5A with a dead short is what's seriously pushing.

r055co · Dec 12, 2017

Carambrda said:
The simple fact I haven't worn out my VTC5A batteries despite I have been vaping on them for 11 months already proves I am seriously not pushing anything of the sort. To compare a .11 ohms build on a single VTC5A with a dead short is what's seriously pushing.

What we're referring to is super subohm, those being < under 0.1, like around 0.5, 0.8.

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Carambrda · Dec 12, 2017

r055co said:
What we're referring to is super subohm, those being < under 0.1, like around 0.5, 0.8.

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What I'm referring to is you said I build insane low builds. For someone with as little knowledge as you have about batteries, I can easily see how that could be insane, but I know what I'm doing so for me, personally, it's not insane. Look, I never actually even said I build below 0.1 ohm in a bottom airflow RDA. (I don't.) But if I had to build at 0.8 ohms in my Kennedy RDA for use with just a single battery, it would produce just air instead of vapor, and that would be insane.

Fiddleback · Dec 12, 2017

Never tried a reload, but I’d recommend acquiring all 3 of the others mentioned, they’re all worth having, and I use all three regularly. With a kennedy, I have both 3 post and 2 post versions, and I much prefer the 2 post. A bonus of having a 24 kennedy is if you like customizing the appearance of your atty/mod. Comp lyfe makes several top caps that fit over a 24mm kennedy deck, some with side air flow to compliment your bottom air flow.

The apoc is great and I’m eager to pick up Armageddon’s newest rda the Redemption: it’s a cross between their apocalypse and rapture, the bridge of rapture and airflow of apoc, and using delrin in the top cap will keep it cooler if you build hot like I do (fat tmn80 aliens).

Neunerball · Dec 12, 2017

1NteL said:
Hey guys, I'm looking for a new RDA, now I was looking at the Goon 1.5, Kennedy 24, Reload 1.5 or the Apocalypse gen2.

I always use dual coils, low builds.

I currently own a Rashomon which has bottom airflow and its really good flavour wise and just a nice vape in general.

Last RDA I had prior was a dotmod petri. Are bottom airflow RDA's the way to go? I do like the look of the apocalypse but was unsure, if people have tried all of these and had any feedback, cheers!

Overall, it doesn't matter, if the RDAs those guys recommended, are the best for you. It's just their opinion! I have collected over a hundred RDAs. I started of by buying RDAs, just to try them out. Now, it's just a hobby of mine, due to having the experience, I only buy the RDA, that is complying to my desire.
YOU have to find out, what kind of RDA you prefer, e.g. Airflow, size/width of the Drip tip, etc.

Carambrda · Dec 12, 2017

Neunerball said:
Overall, it doesn't matter, if the RDAs those guys recommended, are the best for you. It's just their opinion! I have collected over a hundred RDAs. I started of by buying RDAs, just to try them out. Now, it's just a hobby of mine, due to having the experience, I only buy the RDA, that is complying to my desire.
YOU have to find out, what kind of RDA you prefer, e.g. Airflow, size/width of the Drip tip, etc.

That is why my first reply started with what I would do, based on my own personal experience and opinions. But you can rest assured that if I say one particular RDA leaks like a sieve if pouring juice down the middle, then that is not an opinion, but rather, it is watching juice leaking all over my shiny mod. Fuck that = an opinion. lol

r055co · Dec 12, 2017

Carambrda said:
What I'm referring to is you said I build insane low builds. For someone with as little knowledge as you have about batteries, I can easily see how that could be insane, but I know what I'm doing so for me, personally, it's not insane. Look, I never actually even said I build below 0.1 ohm in a bottom airflow RDA. (I don't.) But if I had to build at 0.8 ohms in my Kennedy RDA for use with just a single battery, it would produce just air instead of vapor, and that would be insane.

We discussed this earlier referring explicitly to your below 0.1 builds like your 0.08 build, not your builds above 0.1.

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Zohmbiebuilds · Dec 12, 2017

Yea, most of my Nichrome builds are around .18. some Staples that were given to me are .09. they work great. My batteries are never hot or even warm to the touch. Sony makes a fucking great battery. Solid.

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Zohmbiebuilds · Dec 12, 2017

You guys, so long as your happy with how everything operates why argue. I've noticed people don't really want to hear 4 ways to skin a cat, when there happy with the 2nd way. This being said, maybe he weary about building lower than .1 which is ok. I don't really consider .1 insanely low. I build regularly around .18 and feel very comfortable using as low as .08 (with the correct battery rating. Mooch is the deciding factor in batteries).

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Carambrda · Dec 12, 2017

zombievapereview said:
You guys, so long as your happy with how everything operates why argue. I've noticed people don't really want to hear 4 ways to skin a cat, when there happy with the 2nd way. This being said, maybe he weary about building lower than .1 which is ok. I don't really consider .1 insanely low. I build regularly around .18 and feel very comfortable using as low as .08 (with the correct battery rating. Mooch is the deciding factor in batteries).

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Let's just say I'm arguing because I'm not happy with how this guy operates. But you're right, there's no point in arguing with him, as Mooch is indeed the deciding factor, not this "argumentative" guy, and in fact that was also my point, and has been ever since the start of all this.

Neunerball · Dec 18, 2017

Carambrda said:
That is why my first reply started with what I would do, based on my own personal experience and opinions. But you can rest assured that if I say one particular RDA leaks like a sieve if pouring juice down the middle, then that is not an opinion, but rather, it is watching juice leaking all over my shiny mod. Fuck that = an opinion. lol

Agree with that, I wouldn't recommend a dripping (pun intended)/leaking RDA either.

VirginiaVaping · Dec 20, 2017

go with the Drop RDA, you won't be disappointed!

Zohmbiebuilds · Dec 21, 2017

Dead rabbit. The drop is sweet but the dead rabbit is the titties. Dude heathen is dedicated as fuck. He really keeps up with it. That his baby. You can tell he put his all into it and that means something to me.

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