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Hi all, have been vaping via pen on and off for about a year but really want to kick the cigs (approx. 20 roll ups per day) and vape full time so brought a sub ohm (aspire zelos kit) which is max 50watt and came with a 0.7ohm and 1.8ohm coil. I also brought some 3mg 60/40 juice to go with. For the first weekend I was fine, didn't have a cig from about 8pm Friday night until I woke up Monday morning craving one! Stupidly I gave in and now can't manage to get through the day without at least 5-10 cigs plus vaping! I spoke to a mate who suggested I use the nautilus mini I had on my pen (1.8ohm) with 1.8mg liquid on the zelos mod for when I desperately needed a cig and used the tank that came with the zelos and the 0.7 ohm 3mg juice when I just wanted flavour. Unfortunately one of the reasons I never got on with the pen vape for long periods is the 1.8mg juice makes me cough like a wotsit when I dtl inhale and I don't seem to get the hit when mtl inhaling.........
I have tried all sorts of nicotine levels in the past with the pen and the only thing that my lungs allow me to dtl inhale is 3mg high vg but its just not enough to go cold turkey on the cigarettes! Am thinking of trying to stick with the 3mg and using a nic patch until I can get the craving down a little?? Only this is last resort as I'm allergic to the patch's glue! Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how I can get off the blasted cigarettes and onto the vape??!! Flavours/brands of liquids that may not be as harsh?? Any other combos that may work or should I just stick with what my mate suggested and persevere? Or do I need a better tank/lower coil??? I dunno.......I need help....PLEASE!!!!! xx
 

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e 3mg and using a nic patch until I can get the craving down a little

I know some folks use this method

If that fails - you may want to look into WTA, many people are actually addicted not to the nicotine so much as to the alkaloids in tobacco

You won't be able to "feel" that calming effect of a cigarette with WTA unless you can go about three days without a smoke though

WTA was the only way I could 100% quit smoking and vape full time instead
 

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I got off nic by using high wattage and diy. It took a while but the less I thought about the nic, the better I was.
I went go from 3mg to 1.5mg to 1mg to zero.
I didn't drop down until I could go a few weeks to a month at the current level.
Honestly, I went to zero because I got the flu and the nic hurt my throat. The only thing I could vape was zero nic, and psychosomatic effect was enough to ween the craving. When I got better, I figured I didn't need it.
I vape nic now a little but because my fiance still vapes it.
 
Sorry, am still relatively new to this and the terminology confuses me!! Whats WTA???? I put it into google and its come up with womens tennis!!!!
 

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Sorry, am still relatively new to this and the terminology confuses me!! Whats WTA???? I put it into google and its come up with womens tennis!!!!

Whole Tobacco Alkaloids

NETS (juice made from tobacco extracts) might be another option to help you stem those cravings

Seriously, it took me over two and half years of dual use (vaping and smoking) before I could fully quit smoking so I feel your pain :)
 

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When I started I started with 1.8 to 2ohm coil and 20 mg or higher juice vaping at 7 to 10 watts....... when I started building coils wattage went to 10 to 15 and Nic to 15 to 20....... when I got a real RBA a Kayfun.. nic went to 12 or less depending on build mostly due to wattage....currently I vape 6mg on just about any build... using 25watts or less. Ohm depending on mood when built ohm could be anything from 0.2 to 1.5 regulated or in the .6 to 1.5 range mechanically.

If i you I would buy 2 bottle of each juice 1 at around 24 mg/ml and 1 at zero nic of each flavor that way you could start at full strength and dilute down to prefered nic level without affecting flavoring. Shouldnt take many tanks to figure out what works best.

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try everything everybody suggests..even if it doesn't sound like your cup of tea ..try MTL vaping try sub-ohm vaping ..sometimes it's the thing you never expected that works, just keep at it, everybody vapes different just as everybody smoked different..I smoked American Spirits for years and when people bummed a smoke off me they used to double over shaking their head saying the tobacco was to strong, but it worked for me....play around and experiment with nic levels...airflows...to be absolutely honest I don't think I really settled on a cigarette brand until I'd been smoking for 15 years.
 
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Maybe try sub-ohm direct lung hits with 6mg. The nautilus 2 is a mouth to lung device which better suits 12mg. MTL never worked for me. Heck I still smoke after a year of vaping. But this is my 2 cents. Quitting smoking is hard but I've greatly reduced my cigarette use..I'm currently looking into getting my first RTA and DIY ejuice to spice things up and hopefully quit smoking some day.
 

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Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how I can get off the blasted cigarettes and onto the vape??!!

Attempt this system for a way to remove the smokes from your daily use, this method doesn't look at it from the vaping side, but from the smoking side. Attempt the methods above for finding your vape that fits you as well as what will work in unison with the method listed below.

Identify which times in the day you truly need a smoke. Like you need on when you first wake up or right after you eat. You must identify which ones they are, for those are the last cigarettes to replace. Then figure out how many smokes you have in a day. (let us say 15 for example.) You start to take one or two smokes out of your schedule and replace it with vaping, but you don't touch your "special time" smokes, the ones I told you to identify at the beginning. Keep taking out cigs are replacing it with a vape break until you run out of smokes other than you "special time" smokes. Then finally when your ready, take one of those away, continue till all smokes are removed from your schedule.

Example wise:
You need 1 smoke when you wake up and always have a craving for an after dinner smoke, then one before you call it a night. (your unholy number is 3)
You have say 15-20 smokes in a day, so you make a little timeline in your head on when you have them.
Your little mental timeline will be separated in the middle with your morning and night smoke at the far ends.
Remove a cig from the timeline and replace it with a vape break, though never replace the unholy 3.
Go between the two sections taking smokes, don't take too many from one side and leave a shit ton on the other. Creates imbalance.
Keep doing this till the unholy 3 are left.
Remove 1. Then remove another one when the time is right. Might be 2 days, might be a week.
Keep vaping at all other times, and don't remove too many at once, you want forward progress, not regression (but we are human so it happens)


I hope this works for you. I think it is the best possible approach to make vaping stick and remove cigs without the overwhelming feeling of cold turkey. I honestly don't know how long it took me because I decided not to keep track of the days, I just went by feeling. Next thing you know you are only vaping and haven't had the urge to smoke, you realize you have a half pack left, and you don't know what to do with it. Probably will hold onto the pack for a couple weeks before tossing it in the trash.
 

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I will use the Juul when needing the nic and throat hit, but mostly use sub ohm tanks. My guess is other pod systems that use nic salts, like the Phix, would be similar.

In the tanks, I have no choice but to mix 3 and 6 to get 4.5 nic. For me, 3 might as well be 0, can't feel a thing. I can get away with 3 at higher wattages, like tfv8, but hard to take a tank like that to work and many public places.

For me, mtl tanks didn't and still don't work, as the only thing that really resembles smoking is a pod device. Many differ with me on this point.
 

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If quitting smoking by vaping is the goal.... What worked for me after 40 years of supporting Philip Morris, was to not try to quit at all...... I just added a vape.... 6 months later the cigarettes went away.

The first 6 months I made a point of carrying my vape at all times...... I vaped it often... when I wanted a smoke I had one. Cigarette in one hand vape in the other often alternating hits....... went from 24mg/ml down to 15 this way. Started vaping in August 2014 bought last pack of smokes in early December and notice I hadn't smoked in a few weeks mid January.... I even tried a cigarette that day in January 2015... it tasted like crap.... haven't smoked since.

NOW the fact that I haven't smoked in doors in about 25years... might have helped..... I could vape anytime I got the urge at home I could vape indoors. Not having to get up out of the comfy chair to get a nic fix helps allot I think.

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Hi all......I took the pressure off myself thinking i'll get there in the end and ended up back on the rollies and no vape! Doh! Anyway went to my sis in laws and she vapes like a chimney with no cigs so I was tempted to try again on the vape but with less pressure. So I took Lotus's advice and just tried to cut out the non essential rollies....then the damn nautilus mod went and broke! Fortunately managed to get a refund quick and have now purchased a Smok Alien 220w with a baby beast tank. So far so good.....am trying a slightly more cig heavy method than lotus suggested and am vaping almost solidly for an hour, then having a cig, then vaping for an hour etc etc. Am hoping to gradually increase the vape time and cut out the non essential cigs.....
Thanks so much for all your advice, it was much appreciated even though I may not have said it at the time!
Wish me luck!!!
xx
 

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You probably need more nic. I was a smoker for 10 years, and started vaping on a Melo 300 (TFV8 comparable) at 100+ watts, even the 6mg juice wasn't always doing it for me, especially the first few weeks after quitting. I realized if I got stronger juice (12-18mg) It would satisfy the craving better. Sometimes I would vape back to back to back too much and get a little sick feeling, but it put me off the thought of ANY nicotine for the rest of the day, kind of worth it IMO.

Maybe try getting a bottle of flavourless nicotine base (24mg?) And "dose up" your juice a bit, see if it helps.
 

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Maybe try sub-ohm direct lung hits with 6mg. The nautilus 2 is a mouth to lung device which better suits 12mg. MTL never worked for me. Heck I still smoke after a year of vaping. But this is my 2 cents. Quitting smoking is hard but I've greatly reduced my cigarette use..I'm currently looking into getting my first RTA and DIY ejuice to spice things up and hopefully quit smoking some day.
Agree. Pack a day usually means 18 to 12 mg for mouth to lung vaping. Also.. when you get that craving... take a 5 minute vape break just like you would if you were going to smoke. Making up your mind that you have quit smoking helps. Keeping extra juice and coils handy also helps.
 

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Yeah, I agree with dropin_biking. I think you're trying to take giant leaps when you should be taking baby steps. Try starting off at 12 to 18nic and gradually lower the nic level as you go. This is what my mom did to quit the cancer-sticks entirely. I think at least part of it was having the "want to" to quit as well though. :)
 

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Geez dude...just up the nicotine. There is no way I could have got off the smokes with 3 mg of nicotine. Start out high and stay there for a while. 18 mg. 24 mg. Whatever it takes. You will be able to get off the smokes.

Worry about dropping the nicotine later.
 

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I've figured out a pretty good system to keep my cravings at bay.

I've got a tank loaded with 18mg "decent, but not great" flavoured juice, it's my heavy hitting go to tank when I'm really craving.

I've got another tank (same melo 300) loaded with 3mg "My favourite flavour" That I puff on throughout the day, so I can keep the habit steady. It give me the sensation, and the clouds, but not a ton of nic. So after a few hours I'll go back to the "heavy hitter" for a few tokes.

It's kept vapers fatige at bay aswell.
 

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I've figured out a pretty good system to keep my cravings at bay.

I've got a tank loaded with 18mg "decent, but not great" flavoured juice, it's my heavy hitting go to tank when I'm really craving.

I've got another tank (same melo 300) loaded with 3mg "My favourite flavour" That I puff on throughout the day, so I can keep the habit steady. It give me the sensation, and the clouds, but not a ton of nic. So after a few hours I'll go back to the "heavy hitter" for a few tokes.

It's kept vapers fatige at bay aswell.
Do you find your cravings to be more ceremonial than actual need? In other words.. When you get up in the morning, with coffee, after meals, at break times, before bed and if you wake up at night? These are the times for your heavy hitter and to just sit and take a 5 minute vape break, mouth to lung is best because it simulates the actual action of smoking.

I cut out tobacco completely this way. 18 months (except for 1 puff off a friends smoke.. just to try it *GAG and YUCK*..) Now I vape 3mg all day D2L. Sometimes I chain vape while other times I might go several hours without a vape. The 3mg is more of a security blanket and I could cut that down to 0mg. But I don't mind 3mg and Im not craving smokes at all. (The memory of that 1 puff off my friends ciggy kept me on track.. OMG it was ghastly!)
 

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I quit cold turkey a month ago after 10 years. I was hauling on 6mg juice all day from the moment I woke up, it wasn't cutting it but all I had the first week.

After the second week I got some 18mg. That gave me all the nicotine I could handle, made myself sick a couple times. But I learned to manage it. I realized quick it was a lot of the other chemicals from the smokes I was craving.

My cravings were more stress related than anything. Although I always go for a good vape session after a good meal, and of course about a half hour after I wake up.

I've been trying to puff my low nic juice as long as I can during the day, and fall back on the heavy nic when need be. I take the heavy nic with me when I'm out, I've got huge social anxiety and the 6mg wouldn't do a thing when I was out and about.
 

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