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SkoldVape

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The true reason why the guy you're talking to thinks he doesn't need to back up his opinion with osciloscope readings/proof of said opinion is the simple fact he wants you to just believe him... kind of like the pope also wants you to believe in stuff. Don't want to believe me? Then just compare his RX300 video review to that from DJLsb Vapes. See who has the oscilloscope readings and who doesn't? Now, take it one little step further. Try to find out, by simply searching the internet, how many reviewers there are who also reviewed the RX300, find out what their opinions are like. See where I'm getting at?

The proof is already out there that he is pretty much non technical. All you have to do is be willing to search for this proof, and be competent enough to apply a healthy dose of good old-fashioned facts checking. I already gave you a good head start with what I just told you about the RX300, but I'll give you another hand. Recently he's been spreading the same type of non technical stuff─stuff he just wants everyone to believe because he obviously hasn't got any proof to back it up─in another thread created by him about the 510 on the RX Gen3. Specifically, I'm referring to the part he wrote on the technical subject of Chassis Ground. (I'm not asking you to believe the explanation I gave in that same thread in post #68. Rather, I'm asking you to live up to your own word and do your own facts checking, and do it thoroughly so that you can then get a handle on what this guy's credibility status is like.)
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You really don't trust anthonys research do you LOL?!
 

fraleywp

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Some people will defend a person, product, vendor etc. until they die. I don't get it.

I will tell you this, if I had a Wismec product I would repair the 510 issue for sure. If I didn't have a Wismec product, which I don't, I wouldn't touch one even with someone else's money.
 

mhertz

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...Just wanted to reiterate that i'm for sure no wismec/joytech/eleaf, or specific rewiever, fanboy, and i'm just a more of a technical-tests/numbers trusting kinda guy myself and fully understand the quality have gone down and it's a draw of luck how good your device will function in regards of tolerances and such on a non-optimal design in the first place.

Anyway, I liked the OP showing screenshots of different mods TC curves from AF's device-monitor, and would like if others would do the same, if OK with OP of course! :)

Here's a quick shot from my predator(v2) with a dual 24G SS316L 9 wrap spaced 3mm ID coil in my beloved OBS engine, and it for sure resembles this in the feeling of the smoothness of the vape. The default wismec firmware where great too imho, as Daniel's scopes demonstrated and the AF improves it even more in feel imho. The firing-delay I also feel has gone down imho. Note, I never use anything other than roundwire simple coils, as prefer to make the coils myself and not buy them, and i'm not good enough to make complex coils myself and frankly don't wanna bother with them, as they most probably gives more flavor and vapor but also needs more power to run and longer cool-down-time...

TFR/SS316L, everything default and no PI regulation, and the SS316 option which I guess is TCR based, shows similar result:
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SirRichardRear

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...Just wanted to reiterate that i'm for sure no wismec/joytech/eleaf, or specific rewiever, fanboy, and i'm just a more of a technical-tests/numbers trusting kinda guy myself and fully understand the quality have gone down and it's a draw of luck how good your device will function in regards of tolerances and such on a non-optimal design in the first place.

Anyway, I liked the OP showing screenshots of different mods TC curves from AF's device-monitor, and would like if others would do the same, if OK with OP of course! :)

Here's a quick shot from my predator(v2) with a dual 24G SS316L 9 wrap spaced 3mm ID coil in my beloved OBS engine, and it for sure resembles this in the feeling of the smoothness of the vape. The default wismec firmware where great too imho, as Daniel's scopes demonstrated and the AF improves it even more in feel imho. The firing-delay I also feel has gone down imho. Note, I never use anything other than roundwire simple coils, as prefer to make the coils myself and not buy them, and i'm not good enough to make complex coils myself and frankly don't wanna bother with them, as they most probably gives more flavor and vapor but also needs more power to run and longer cool-down-time...

TFR/SS316L, everything default and no PI regulation, and the SS316 option which I guess is TCR based, shows similar result:
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The prblem with the device monitor is it doesn't actually show anything tested, it reports back what the chip itself thinks. Same for Escribe. All it does is tell u what the chip thinks it's doing much like the screen itself.

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mhertz

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The prblem with the device monitor is it doesn't actually show anything tested, it reports back what the chip itself thinks. Same for Escribe. All it does is tell u what the chip thinks it's doing much like the screen itself.

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Lol, yeah, I was actually right now coming back to make an edit to my post and state that this obviously wasen't meant as proof of accuracy, or related to our previous discussion, but was too late... Thanks anyways :)
 

mhertz

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Not related to anything, but a side-thing I love about TC, is that it forces you to become a great wicker to not have shit results, and this is also something to think about for all those trying TC and hating it so switches back to powermode as thinking TC isn't for them...

I've watched a bunch of youtube vids where wicking was also done over the years, and imho few do it properly or optimal lets say... People think that because cotton expands when wet, then you need to wick rather loosely, though you'll quickly find in TC that this isn't optimal... Yes cotton expands when wet, though the sheer heat actually makes it shrink!, hence I wick alot tighter than most youtube vids i've seen, which means more stable TC and that I can go higher than otherwise(if wanted) in powermode... ;)
 

MarkS

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Not related to anything, but a side-thing I love about TC, is that it forces you to become a great wicker to not have shit results, and this is also something to think about for all those trying TC and hating it...

I've watched a bunch of youtube vids where wicking was also done over the years, and imho few do it properly or optimal lets say... People think that because cotton expands when wet, then you need to wick rather loosely, though you'll quickly find in TC that this isn't optimal... Yes cotton expands when wet, though the sheer heat actually makes it shrink!, hence I wick alot tighter than most youtube vids i've seen, which means more stable TC and that I can go higher than otherwise(if wanted) in powermode... ;)

It really is a learned art to get it just right. Too tight and you get poor wicking too loose and you get lower to poor performance.


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mhertz

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Indeed! Though imho the notion that you'll choke the coil, while of course is a possibility, isn't happening unless you go crazy and because of the shrinkage it can take alot more than many think ;) To me atleast, it means better wicking and heat-stability when going tighter than many do - it lasts longer too and reminds of rayon imho when done like that...

Anyway, sorry for rambling off-topic there all of a sudden...
 
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SirRichardRear

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Lol, yeah, I was actually right now coming back to make an edit to my post and state that this obviously wasen't meant as proof of accuracy, or related to our previous discussion, but was too late... Thanks anyways :)
It's all good ;)

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MarkS

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I'm still waiting for someone to show a thorough quantitative testing (with NIST traceable calibrated equipment) showing the variation of the resistance due to the 510/grounding. Yes, to get a real handle on it takes some high end equipment and a controlled environment (I use to use equipment that could do it in a previous occupation and had the metrology lab to do it in). Sure wish I had access to that now so we could really put these types of issues to rest and call out crap manufacturing with hard irrefutable evidence instead of conjecture and inference. But then again, it would take quite the investment to test a significant number of each Mod (randomly obtained) to statistically "prove" that the whole line is crap.

It's good that AF firmware improves the Mods performance and allows more user customized settings to achieve (or come closer to achieving) their desired vaping experience.

I personally am through with the Chinese Mod machine just churning out thousands of Mods and not backing them with a good warranty or customer service. I've decided to build my own custom Mods the right way with quality parts. It's not cheap but I fully expect performance with longevity.

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Carambrda

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I'm still waiting for someone to show a thorough quantitative testing (with NIST traceable calibrated equipment) showing the variation of the resistance due to the 510/grounding. Yes, to get a real handle on it takes some high end equipment and a controlled environment (I use to use equipment that could do it in a previous occupation and had the metrology lab to do it in). Sure wish I had access to that now so we could really put these types of issues to rest and call out crap manufacturing with hard irrefutable evidence instead of conjecture and inference. But then again, it would take quite the investment to test a significant number of each Mod (randomly obtained) to statistically "prove" that the whole line is crap.

It's good that AF firmware improves the Mods performance and allows more user customized settings to achieve (or come closer to achieving) their desired vaping experience.

I personally am through with the Chinese Mod machine just churning out thousands of Mods and not backing them with a good warranty or customer service. I've decided to build my own custom Mods the right way with quality parts. It's not cheap but I fully expect performance with longevity.

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Off topic: Conjecture and inference are not so bad, as everyone is still entitled to his/her own personal opinion. But this guy has written a whole story about Chassis Ground YOU KNOW plainly contradicts true technical knowledge of the concept so a lot more has been going on [in this thread and in practically every other thread about Wismec] than "conjecture and inference". I personally own only three Chinese regulated mods (one of which is my Sifu B-Tab, and that I don't use to actually vape on). The only other regulated mods that I own are two identical (aside from which color) PWM mods by Surric Vapes. Rest are 11 mech mods. I like how the Surric Vapes vapes, but statistically AND factually, it is also the only one of my regulated mods that did break. The part of which was broken was the fire switch, and before someone asks, nope, I didn't abuse the switch or anything like that. Reason I own two of these mods is because the first one broke, and because like I said I like how it vapes. (And I think it looks nice.)

On topic: I agree it's good that AF firmware improves the mods' performance and allows certain [in this particular price range anyway] totally UNIQUE features to achieve [some people's] desired vaping experience in such a way that other, "comparable" regulated mods currently are NOT IN ANY WAY capable to come close to achieve.
 

cloudblast

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...Just wanted to reiterate that i'm for sure no wismec/joytech/eleaf, or specific rewiever, fanboy, and i'm just a more of a technical-tests/numbers trusting kinda guy myself and fully understand the quality have gone down and it's a draw of luck how good your device will function in regards of tolerances and such on a non-optimal design in the first place.

Anyway, I liked the OP showing screenshots of different mods TC curves from AF's device-monitor, and would like if others would do the same, if OK with OP of course! :)

Here's a quick shot from my predator(v2) with a dual 24G SS316L 9 wrap spaced 3mm ID coil in my beloved OBS engine, and it for sure resembles this in the feeling of the smoothness of the vape. The default wismec firmware where great too imho, as Daniel's scopes demonstrated and the AF improves it even more in feel imho. The firing-delay I also feel has gone down imho. Note, I never use anything other than roundwire simple coils, as prefer to make the coils myself and not buy them, and i'm not good enough to make complex coils myself and frankly don't wanna bother with them, as they most probably gives more flavor and vapor but also needs more power to run and longer cool-down-time...

TFR/SS316L, everything default and no PI regulation, and the SS316 option which I guess is TCR based, shows similar result:
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Hey, just wondering if a quad coil build is possible inside the obs engine
 

HondaDavidson

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Hey, just wondering if a quad coil build is possible inside the obs engine
Idk about that atty.... but if you use a small enough coil... you can always put 2 coils where 1 was..... just comes down to physical space limitations.

I've done quad builds in a Kayfun v1....

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David Wolf

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Lol, yeah, I was actually right now coming back to make an edit to my post and state that this obviously wasen't meant as proof of accuracy, or related to our previous discussion, but was too late... Thanks anyways :)
Very true the monitor doesn't prove accuracy of temperature, I've tested a Pico mod with an ego one clr SS coil with a thermocouple to prove that it's not accurate with factory settings. What the monitor does do quite well is let you know how stable your control settings are, and that's worth a lot.
 

Giraut

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Here's a trick if you need to measure your mod's internal resistance to program it in ArcticFox: if you don't want to order a DNA calibration tool and you already own a Comp Lyfe R2 mod cleaning mandrel, simply saw off the hex end, file it flat and polish it to a mirror finish with #1000 sandpaper.

Not only will you have a tool with dual use, but you'll also be able to use the mandrel on non-hybrid mods also. I've never understood what the hex bit was for anyway...

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downInTn

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So what exactly do you need to do with these mods to fix them? Solder a ground wire from the 510 to the battery sled?

I got an Evic Primo V2 that freaks out in TC with the "atomizer short'' and TCR errors. I'd like to try and fix it.
 

HondaDavidson

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So what exactly do you need to do with these mods to fix them? Solder a ground wire from the 510 to the battery sled?

I got an Evic Primo V2 that freaks out in TC with the "atomizer short'' and TCR errors. I'd like to try and fix it.
More likely just need to tighten post screws...

Or try a different FW build... if it's not erroring in VW mode it's likely a issue reading the coil. Could just be weak connections.

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downInTn

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More likely just need to tighten post screws...

Or try a different FW build... if it's not erroring in VW mode it's likely a issue reading the coil. Could just be weak connections.

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I've tried three different attys one of which works flawlessly with Arctic Fox on my Pico. They all work fine in VW mode, it's strange. I've used it for a few months now never trying TC mode. I finally got around to putting a build in an atty for TC mode and it errors. I can get a few puffs then... atomizer short or tcr error. Turn the mod off and back on or take the atty off and put it back on, same thing happens.
 

HondaDavidson

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I've tried three different attys one of which works flawlessly with Arctic Fox on my Pico. They all work fine in VW mode, it's strange. I've used it for a few months now never trying TC mode. I finally got around to putting a build in an atty for TC mode and it errors. I can get a few puffs then... atomizer short or tcr error. Turn the mod off and back on or take the atty off and put it back on, same thing happens.
I was getting errors like that on a couple of the dailies....with my pico.. updates fixed.. think i saw talk of issues on your mod and solutions. On the AF forum. Regardless if you ask on their forum the developers might have fix..

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Did you lock the resistance in TC mode ?
If I'm playing around with the TC mode on the Pico's I use the monitor a lot to follow it up and see what's happening on the mod and try out different settings, could be help full to pinpoint your problem. So far I'm not a TC fan and like the Power mode and a preheat curve more.
 
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downInTn

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I just upgraded ArcticFox to the latest firmware, set some profiles up with my PC and now it seems to be working without any issues.

I hadn't done any updates since my initial setup and just assumed hardware issue from the tone of this thread. I was pretty far behind on builds, didn't even know they had moved downloads to the forum.
 

HondaDavidson

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I just upgraded ArcticFox to the latest firmware, set some profiles up with my PC and now it seems to be working without any issues.

I hadn't done any updates since my initial setup and just assumed hardware issue from the tone of this thread. I was pretty far behind on builds, didn't even know they had moved downloads to the forum.
AF is a software development project...... Technically you could say it hasn't even reach BETA status... maybe now it in a Beta status. . Since they are no longer doing daily updates. pretty much they are just tweaking and adding new devices these days.

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dropin_biking

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Shit whoops, I just started a thread about this firmware. My bad. But yeah, it seriously kicks ass. Brought a lot more features and adjustability to my iStick QC200. I really love the monitoring tool. Blows the factory firmware out of the water. I will make sure my next mod is compatible with this.
 

CorallineAlgae

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I finally jumped on the ArticFox bandwagon. Installed it on a Predator, Pico and an eVic Primo mini. Loving it so far. Wish it was available for the Charon TC 218.
 

2c5000

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so the Evic series of mods are junk? the 510 connection sucks? ive got an Evic VTC mini, VTwo mini, and plan on copping a Primo because i love them so much. i have not installed AF on anything yet. the only time i ever had issues with TC jumping was because my posts werent tight.

im going to put AF on the VTC mini tonight. see what its all about. this thread has me wanting to crack open my Evic devices and replace the wires and resolder them. then again ive never had any issues.
 

downInTn

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so the Evic series of mods are junk? the 510 connection sucks? ive got an Evic VTC mini, VTwo mini, and plan on copping a Primo because i love them so much. i have not installed AF on anything yet. the only time i ever had issues with TC jumping was because my posts werent tight.

im going to put AF on the VTC mini tonight. see what its all about. this thread has me wanting to crack open my Evic devices and replace the wires and resolder them. then again ive never had any issues.

My Primo V2 has been solid... so far. I've used it heavily for the past three or four months. I'm not sure what the issues are that others are having with the 510 but I haven't had any.
 

David Wolf

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so the Evic series of mods are junk? the 510 connection sucks? ive got an Evic VTC mini, VTwo mini, and plan on copping a Primo because i love them so much. i have not installed AF on anything yet. the only time i ever had issues with TC jumping was because my posts werent tight.

im going to put AF on the VTC mini tonight. see what its all about. this thread has me wanting to crack open my Evic devices and replace the wires and resolder them. then again ive never had any issues.
I have AF on two Picos and a VTC mini, working fine on all. The big display on the VTC Mini is nice for AF, but I like the compact size of the Pico 75W best. Have a Pico 25 on the way, will put AF on that as well after I play with the native firmware a few days.
 

HondaDavidson

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so the Evic series of mods are junk? the 510 connection sucks? ive got an Evic VTC mini, VTwo mini, and plan on copping a Primo because i love them so much. i have not installed AF on anything yet. the only time i ever had issues with TC jumping was because my posts werent tight.

im going to put AF on the VTC mini tonight. see what its all about. this thread has me wanting to crack open my Evic devices and replace the wires and resolder them. then again ive never had any issues.
I don't have evic. . But my Pico75 af really just gives me more adjustability..... it's still t n e same mod as with own firm ware.... but i do have more control over how it vapes. Profiles and preheat curve functions aline make it better worth the change.

And if you don't like AF..... if you keep a copy of original FW... you can always go back. At least with a pico it's easy to go back to Eleaf FW.

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2c5000

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so i never got around to installing this and just DL'd the "tools" file and "firmware" file from the Arctic Fox site, but i cannot open it on my mac. can this only be opened in Windows? is there a mac DL for it? what am i missing here?
 

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