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A cool guy on my youtube chanel has given me 120 ml's of 400 mg's of nicotine? Do you think I should use it or no?
 

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Never heard of 400mg nicotine...100mg is pretty pure as far as i know...Me personally, i wouldnt.
 

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Honestly i dont know...i wouldnt flush it as it gets in the water system...pouring it outside would kill whatever grass you got im sure....See if you get any more responses..ive never seen 400mg nicotine advertised before so thats why i responded..Maybe there is a" higher content" but ive never seen it...100 mg is as high as ive seen listed for sale anywhere so far.
 

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I would get a Nicotine test kit to find out what you have. How is it labeled and can you post a picture of the label?
 

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"pure nicotine" is 1000mg/ml
995mg/ml is the strongest I've seen.
IF it's 400mg/ml you can dilute it down to 100mg/ml by adding 3 parts PG or VG to one part of your 400mg/ml.
Do be VERY careful about not inhaling or spilling any on your skin.
If you don't feel safe about it, then take it to your local vape shop for proper disposal.
 

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I suggest identifying exactly what it is before doing anything especially opening the bottle.
 

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I would put 360ml of VG and/or PG into a 500ml bottle and add the 120ml of 400mg to it. This will give you 100mg base. USE EXTREME CAUTION AND PROTECTIVE GEAR. Safety goggles, nitrile gloves, and protective armwear. Do it over a sink in case anything spills. Cap it WELL, and give it gentle shakes every once in a while until thoroughly mixed.

I still have a liter of 300mg that I haven't needed to open yet.




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Well apparently there is more than 100mg nic lol....so if its legit nic you can use it but make it 100mg as suggested above.

1ml of 100mg base will give just over 3% nic content in a 30ml bottle of mixed juice...This is what i use in my personal mixing.

If its legit it was a nice gift..500ml of 100mg lasts a very long time if you use low nic... over 500 30ml bottles at 3% nic.
 

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get a kit to test it as well. so you know it is 400mg/ml it may be lower or higher
 

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A cool guy on my youtube chanel has given me 120 ml's of 400 mg's of nicotine? Do you think I should use it or no?

100mg is 10% concentration; 400mg would be 40% concentration. I wouldn't use it in that form, but it would be stupid to get rid of it. Just add 3 parts PG or VG to bring it to 100mg strength. (120ml nic, so 360ml PG or VG). I would recommend PG if youi're going to store it in the freezer (which is the best place to store it!), because VG gets so thick in the freezer.

Andria

ETA: and when you're fooling with the 400mg, pouring it, etc, DEFINITELY wear gloves, and try to not get your face too close it, in case it should spatter.
 

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100mg is 10% concentration; 400mg would be 40% concentration. I wouldn't use it in that form, but it would be stupid to get rid of it. Just add 3 parts PG or VG to bring it to 100mg strength. (120ml nic, so 360ml PG or VG). I would recommend PG if youi're going to store it in the freezer (which is the best place to store it!), because VG gets so thick in the freezer.

Andria

ETA: and when you're fooling with the 400mg, pouring it, etc, DEFINITELY wear gloves, and try to not get your face too close it, in case it should spatter.
Thats what I was thinking. Thanks allot.
 

MagicJosh

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I would put 360ml of VG and/or PG into a 500ml bottle and add the 120ml of 400mg to it. This will give you 100mg base. USE EXTREME CAUTION AND PROTECTIVE GEAR. Safety goggles, nitrile gloves, and protective armwear. Do it over a sink in case anything spills. Cap it WELL, and give it gentle shakes every once in a while until thoroughly mixed.

I still have a liter of 300mg that I haven't needed to open yet.




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Im going to use a mask as well. I use one for my art work.
 

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If its 1000mg you got nic for a couple years or so..lol..If he said 400 though its probably close to that..still check it for safety reasons.
 

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10 posts ago I said to get a test kit and now this is possibly 1,000 MG/ML? Asked to see the label on it but never got to see it.
 

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Just speculation on his part..he said hes getting a kit to test it.
 

MagicJosh

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10 posts ago I said to get a test kit and now this is possibly 1,000 MG/ML? Asked to see the label on it but never got to see it.
This is what he sent me.
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No labels. Thats why I want to be sure and test it for the hell of it. I just met the guy, you never know. He could be reading this for all I know.
 

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To me that is one of those times I would say when in doubt don't but that is just my opinion. Just met the guy and trust something you are going to put in your body? Maybe I am overly cautious.
 

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To me that is one of those times I would say when in doubt don't but that is just my opinion. Just met the guy and trust something you are going to put in your body? Maybe I am overly cautious.
I feel the same way. Trust me. This isn't easy for me. When I opened the mail that day I got super light headed from the nic & the hot weather.
 

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I feel the same way. Trust me. This isn't easy for me. When I opened the mail that day I got super light headed from the nic & the hot weather.
Honestly, I don't think a mask would help. It won't block nic unless it's designed for that.

If you test it open it in the garage, if you have one, with the door open.

Other than a company, I don't know why anyone would but nic so strong. It's beyond dangerous.
 

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I suggest identifying exactly what it is before doing anything especially opening the bottle.

Have to agree with @SteveS45 100% here. I would be paranoid about this gift being an 'Internet YouTube celeb' and have to rule-out:
  • enemies, jealous 'competition' or viewer that wants to do you harm
  • tobacco lobby that wants to make you the poster boy for a major vaping accident
  • an experiment to synthesize their own nic, gone horribly wrong
  • other stuff ... fentanyl, AIDS, fecal matter ... who knows???
Assuming it really is pure 400mg/ml nic, at room temp (68F) nic will vaporize ... which is probably why opening the package got you dizzy. The concentrations alone in the packaging are probably off the charts. You need a hazmat outfit and SCUBA gear, self-contained respirator with its own air supply; don't think there is a safe way to even open and test the nic content.

First Responders should use a NIOSH-certified Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear (CBRN) Self Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA) with a Level A protective suit when entering an area with an unknown contaminant or when entering an area where the concentration of the contaminant is unknown. Level A protection should be used until monitoring results confirm the contaminant and the concentration of the contaminant.​

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750028.html
 

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Have to agree with @SteveS45 100% here. I would be paranoid about this gift being an 'Internet YouTube celeb' and have to rule-out:
  • enemies, jealous 'competition' or viewer that wants to do you harm
  • tobacco lobby that wants to make you the poster boy for a major vaping accident
  • an experiment to synthesize their own nic, gone horribly wrong
  • other stuff ... fentanyl, AIDS, fecal matter ... who knows???
Assuming it really is pure 400mg/ml nic, at room temp (68F) nic will vaporize ... which is probably why opening the package got you dizzy. The concentrations alone in the packaging are probably off the charts. You need a hazmat outfit and SCUBA gear, self-contained respirator with its own air supply; don't think there is a safe way to even open and test the nic content.

First Responders should use a NIOSH-certified Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear (CBRN) Self Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA) with a Level A protective suit when entering an area with an unknown contaminant or when entering an area where the concentration of the contaminant is unknown. Level A protection should be used until monitoring results confirm the contaminant and the concentration of the contaminant.​

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750028.html
Im getting rid of it. Thats final. I will never open it.
 

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I appreciate all the info guys. Im going to ask my local trash man how to discard it.

Might want to do a little research on how to dispose of Hazardous Materials or you might get charged for disposal or worse yet a fine. No sure of regulations in your area.
 

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Being that 100MG/ML Nicotine should be handled with extreme care I am thinking this is 4 times as dangerous if it really is what it is supposed to be.
 

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Im getting rid of it. Thats final. I will never open it.
Throwing it in the trash is not the best way to get rid of it, you don't want anyone to have the potential for coming into contact with it at that strength. Personally I would slowly pour it down the sink with the water running slightly (no splashing) wearing gloves and goggles or a face shield. The nicotine will dilute and break down.
Had it been properly labeled and you trust the guy I would have diluted it to 100mg and used it as some suggested. Unlabeled, no way.
 

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Google "Hazardous Waste" disposal in the city you live in, or a nearby bigger city, if there isn't one. I got an immediate hit for the area I'm in.
 

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Personally, I'd use the above suggestions if it were 200mg, and cut it down. I don't know how safe I'd feel splitting up a 400mg, though. Just can't say I'd order it, purposely.
 

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Im just not going to open it. Because when I opened the box when I received it I felt really weird from the hot fumes. I never want to feel like that again. All day I was sick feeling.
 

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:bliss::bliss:
Google "Hazardous Waste" disposal in the city you live in, or a nearby bigger city, if there isn't one. I got an immediate hit for the area I'm in.
We have one here. I bet they shitz their pants and blink cluelessly when you tell them it's 400mg/ml nicotine, make 47 phone calls and say we can't take that lol :D
 

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first i will confirm your decision to not open it the best course of action. you would also need a vacuum hood to be able to safely handle the nic. to even test or mix it down. i would reach out to your local police about how to handle hazardous waste disposal failing that find a local farmer who may know the best course in how to handle it and dispose of it... Farms can and do use nic for pesticide sometimes
 

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If it was 1000 mg then one drop on your skin could kill you.
 

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If it was 1000 mg then one drop on your skin could kill you.
If it's 400mg/ml PG nic as he's talking about one drop is ~ 1/40th of a ml, so a drop would be 10mg of nic, and you would have to leave it on your skin to let it soak in to get that. Pretty sure I would wash that drop off and go about my day. :rolleyes:
Now at 1000mg/ml that drop might be 25 mg of nic and I would wash that off right away to make sure I only got a tenth of that, and hope I could survive a 2.5 mg dose haha. It's definetly dangerous at those high doses but no need to exaggerate a drops not killing anyone.
 
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If it's 400mg/ml PG nic as he's talking about one drop is ~ 1/40th of a ml, so a drop would be 10mg of nic, and you would have to leave it on your skin to let it soak in to get that. Pretty sure I would wash that drop off and go about my day. :rolleyes:
Now at 1000mg/ml that drop might be 25 mg of nic and I would wash that off right away to make sure I only got a tenth of that, and hope I could survive a 2.5 mg dose haha. It's definetly dangerous at those high doses but no need to exaggerate a drops not killing anyone.
I wrote 1000 mg, which would be 99.99 % pure and yes one drop on skin would kill you. You had better have a respirator and gloves working with this stuff. I did not say this is what they had who knows what it is, I'm just pointing out how dangerous pure nic is.
 

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In high concentrations, nicotine is deadly. In fact, one drop of pure nicotine on the tongue will kill someone. It is so lethal that is has been used as a pesticide for centuries.

Ingested maybe but one drop on your skin will not kill you.
 

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In high concentrations, nicotine is deadly. In fact, one drop of pure nicotine on the tongue will kill someone. It is so lethal that is has been used as a pesticide for centuries.

Ingested maybe but one drop on your skin will not kill you.
It has been written that one drop on the shin could kill you so how can you say it could not. Your skin absorbs!
 

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Because it will not be pleasant and anyone with half a brain would be washing it off from skin irritation. It also will not be absorbed instantaneously or completely thru the skin fast enough.
 

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Because it will not be pleasant and anyone with half a brain would be washing it off from skin irritation. It also will not be absorbed instantaneously or completely thru the skin fast enough.
Sure you would wash it off if you knew it was there. But then you would have to be a friggen idiot to fool with this stuff to begin with.
 

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Even the claim all over the internet, on health sites, anti vaping sites, government sites that a drop of pure nicotine (about 25 to 30 mg nicotine oral dose) on the tongue will kill you are not true. For anyone wanting to know more about the true toxicology of Nicotine, and the origins of the false Lethal Dose values around the internet, read this from the Annals of Toxicology:

" Indeed, more recent studies have shown that intravenous administration of up to 5 mg of nicotine, corresponding to 25 mg oral, i.e., 50 % of the allegedly lethal dose, led to only minor adverse effects, such as coughing and nausea (Henningfield et al. 1983; Gourlay and Benowitz 1997). "


Fun reading for those interested in facts, not fiction:
How much nicotine kills a human? Tracing back the generally accepted lethal dose to dubious self-experiments in the nineteenth century
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880486/

 
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