About Nicotine in Vape Juice

The two that I have now are tobacco flavored and are each 3 mg. I'm shopping for different flavors and see that some sites say to start with full flavor, or 18 mg.

Is that the level that will give me the closest cigarette flavor? Issue is that I vape a lot compared to smoking, since there's only so much cigarette when I'm done I'm done. With vaping, I've had three hits since starting this paragraph. So if I got 18 mg and hit it like I am now I fear that I'll OD on the nicotine (or get a stomach ache or whatever you get from too much nicotine).

Am I good with the 3 mg or will I be ok with the 18 mg? I'd like to get the full flavor, but not at the expense of getting sick.

The nicotine level won't have much effect on flavor, unless it's old oxidized nic.

It might give a bit harsher feel, but not much taste difference.

What your vaping with, mod, atty and watts may have more effect on flavor than the nic level.

If your comfortable with your nic level now, keep it. New flavors might be difference you need.

I should add that many of us chain vaped heavily when we first quit smoking. It takes while to get over the other nasty crap in cigs that our bodies crave, not just the nicotine.

If your vaping like a madman to stay away from the coffin nails I'd jack the nic up. I started with 24mg and spiraled downward from there. Now I use 3-6mg, after almost three years of vaping.

Good luck, you'll find what suits you....!

zeeter said:

The two that I have now are tobacco flavored and are each 3 mg. I'm shopping for different flavors and see that some sites say to start with full flavor, or 18 mg.

Is that the level that will give me the closest cigarette flavor? Issue is that I vape a lot compared to smoking, since there's only so much cigarette when I'm done I'm done. With vaping, I've had three hits since starting this paragraph. So if I got 18 mg and hit it like I am now I fear that I'll OD on the nicotine (or get a stomach ache or whatever you get from too much nicotine).

Am I good with the 3 mg or will I be ok with the 18 mg? I'd like to get the full flavor, but not at the expense of getting sick.

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3 years ago. When I quit smoking for the first few months it was 18mg or 1.8 mg nicotine whatever they called it. I never got sick. Didn't O.D. I'm still here.

On a whim I went out and got a cigarette flavored vape. This one has 6mg of nicotine and is 60/40 PG/VG. Between that ratio and the added nicotine I think I'll be giving this bottle away. Too harsh.

I'm vaping at 50W which is the lowest my atomizer says I should be at. The other one I move between 60-65W.

I also got another mod, thus bringing my cost for vaping supplies up to around $300; about the same as I was paying for cigarettes.

zeeter said:

On a whim I went out and got a cigarette flavored vape. This one has 6mg of nicotine and is 60/40 PG/VG. Between that ratio and the added nicotine I think I'll be giving this bottle away. Too harsh.

I'm vaping at 50W which is the lowest my atomizer says I should be at. The other one I move between 60-65W.

I also got another mod, thus bringing my cost for vaping supplies up to around $300; about the same as I was paying for cigarettes.

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Start thinking more deeply about the cost factor.

18 mg is generally vaped at under 20 watts. Typically at around 10-15 watts. And in MTL style not direct lung inhale.
6 mg is too strong for most all vapers at 50 watts.

zeeter said:

On a whim I went out and got a cigarette flavored vape. This one has 6mg of nicotine and is 60/40 PG/VG. Between that ratio and the added nicotine I think I'll be giving this bottle away. Too harsh.

I'm vaping at 50W which is the lowest my atomizer says I should be at. The other one I move between 60-65W.

I also got another mod, thus bringing my cost for vaping supplies up to around $300; about the same as I was paying for cigarettes.

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Main thing.. it isn't costing you your life to vape. So there is your main saving right there. Also, it isn't going to be $300 every month like it would with cigarettes.
Nevermind what your atomizer says you should be at, it is only a recommended setting. Vape where you like. If it is to harsh, lower the wattage and open the airflow a bit. Less heat = less vapor, more air = less harsh vape.

I gave up tobacco flavors after 2 weeks. It just did not taste like a cigarette, and if it doesn't taste like a real cigarette.. why bother? I avoided tobacco flavors ever since. You know, cut the ties to cigarettes and commit to vaping. There are a whole lot of flavors that taste much better than tobacco flavored. Perfect Pecan (butter pecan tarts), Strawberry Strudel (strawberry poptart) Blueberry Delight (blueberry cheesecake), caramel apple, mixed fruit, etc etc.

The main thing I had a problem with, was the habitual smoking cravings.. like after meals, with coffee, before bed.. So I just took a 5 minute vape break. Sit and mouth to lung vape for 5 minutes, until the craving passes.

I started at 18mg, went to 6 for a couple months (when i switched from pen style to tank style) and down to 3mg when I started using drip atomizers. Now the 3mg is more of a security blanket than any actual need.

Vaping can be an expensive hobby... when you start collecting mods and atomizers. All you need it one. lol. I have.. 7? And most have a lot more.

gbalkam said:

Main thing.. it isn't costing you your life to vape. So there is your main saving right there. Also, it isn't going to be $300 every month like it would with cigarettes.
Nevermind what your atomizer says you should be at, it is only a recommended setting. Vape where you like. If it is to harsh, lower the wattage and open the airflow a bit. Less heat = less vapor, more air = less harsh vape.

I gave up tobacco flavors after 2 weeks. It just did not taste like a cigarette, and if it doesn't taste like a real cigarette.. why bother? I avoided tobacco flavors ever since. You know, cut the ties to cigarettes and commit to vaping. There are a whole lot of flavors that taste much better than tobacco flavored. Perfect Pecan (butter pecan tarts), Strawberry Strudel (strawberry poptart) Blueberry Delight (blueberry cheesecake), caramel apple, mixed fruit, etc etc.

The main thing I had a problem with, was the habitual smoking cravings.. like after meals, with coffee, before bed.. So I just took a 5 minute vape break. Sit and mouth to lung vape for 5 minutes, until the craving passes.

I started at 18mg, went to 6 for a couple months (when i switched from pen style to tank style) and down to 3mg when I started using drip atomizers. Now the 3mg is more of a security blanket than any actual need.

Vaping can be an expensive hobby... when you start collecting mods and atomizers. All you need it one. lol. I have.. 7? And most have a lot more.

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I hear you on the mods. Just seems that I get excited about things and tend to go overboard. I need at least two: my main one and something to use while that is charging. Fear being that I'll run out to 7-11 and get a pack of smokes to tide me over until the charge is complete. So I have two mods and one pen type for emergency use. Larger than a cigarette style but not too adjustable.

On the cravings, this is why I allow myself to vape inside the house. After a meal or a task I used to reward myself with a smoke. Now I just vape. And doing this inside the house has broken me of the habit of going outside. I think it's harder on my dogs than it is for me. Used to be I go out for a smoke and they go out, too. Now it's just them going out.

I'll finish up this one that I have - Royalty II by vapetasia at 3mg - that I really like and maybe try one of the flavored ones. Nothing too crazy as I don't see myself vaping cheesecake flavored juice. Well, actually I love cheesecake so maybe that's a bad example

The 6mg I got last night was way, way too harsh and I'm finding that the 3mg is fine for me. I might even be able to get away with 0mg. Though vaping all the time at 3mg probably amounts to the same as regular smoking intervals at 18mg. What I need to do is try a small bottle of 0mg and see if I'm craving it or if it's just the act of smoking that I'm addicted to.

Currently I'm researching making coils. We'll see how that turns out...

bobnat said:

Start thinking more deeply about the cost factor.

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Yeah, I don't think I'll be buying any more mods; maybe some atomizers at most. Still, $300 this month replaces my cigarettes and next month I'm looking at more like $35 for juice and maybe a new atomizer if I need it.

I vape inside,sometimes I go out on the deck and vape, the cat likes to come out with me. If 6mg is to harsh, you are probably getting a lot of vapor from your atty, so yeah, 3mg is better. I would give it about a year at 3mg before cutting it to 0. Or mix a bottle of 3mg with a bottle of 0mg to get used to lower nicotine. Eventually, you can just go to 0 if you like.

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/how-to-build-you-first-basic-coil-for-new-vapers.298828/
has a few basic coil builds for beginners. I had to press "play" using google chrome, but the videos do work.

Basically....if that idiot can build a coil, anyone can.

It depends on how much you want to vape. If you vape 18 mg's your not going to vape as much and will save money. If you buy 3 mg's you will tend to vape allot more to get that satisfying vape of nicotine that your craving. I started at 24 and didn't have to buy as much e juice. Now I vape 6mg's and my room is always foggy from chain vaping.

zeeter said:

Yeah, I don't think I'll be buying any more mods; maybe some atomizers at most. Still, $300 this month replaces my cigarettes and next month I'm looking at more like $35 for juice and maybe a new atomizer if I need it.

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In the beginning, it's easy to spend quite a bit. If you get into DIY the initial outlay can also be substantial. However, if you make your own juice then the cost of vaping drops dramatically. Everyday you don't smoke you save money, it never stops accumulating. It's great saving the money, especially for those where cigs are expensive. Where I live, the major brands are only $2.70 per pack, not very much at all. But most of us got into vaping to stop smoking. Saving money is just the icing on the cake.

zeeter said:

I hear you on the mods. Just seems that I get excited about things and tend to go overboard. I need at least two: .

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I'd say everyone needs a minimum of 3-4 at all times. These things are not designed to last very long and Murphy's Law dictates that if you only have two, they're both going to go on the same day. Then you'll buy some cigs. Fuck that! I've got 5 mods, 9 tanks and 3 rdas. If something goes, I don't have to panic. But as soon as one mod dies, I'll replace it.

zeeter said:

I hear you on the mods. Just seems that I get excited about things and tend to go overboard. I need at least two: my main one and something to use while that is charging. Fear being that I'll run out to 7-11 and get a pack of smokes to tide me over until the charge is complete. So I have two mods and one pen type for emergency use. Larger than a cigarette style but not too adjustable.

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Get LOTS -- so it's ALWAYS easier to find a way to vape than run to the store for cigarettes. Doesn't matter what you spend; that money doesn't turn into ashes in just a few minutes or hours or days -- I've got a few mods more than 3 yrs old!

zeeter said:

On the cravings, this is why I allow myself to vape inside the house. After a meal or a task I used to reward myself with a smoke. Now I just vape. And doing this inside the house has broken me of the habit of going outside.

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Bingo. It won't stink up the place the way cigarette smoke does, and it's not harmful to bystanders, so there is NO reason NOT to vape indoors. In your own home, anyway -- out in public, well, that could go either way, depending on if others are present and/or their opinions/prejudices -- but then there's always stealth vaping, in the bathroom. What the public doesn't know about will never hurt them.

zeeter said:

I'll finish up this one that I have - Royalty II by vapetasia at 3mg - that I really like and maybe try one of the flavored ones. Nothing too crazy as I don't see myself vaping cheesecake flavored juice. Well, actually I love cheesecake so maybe that's a bad example

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I found the whole idea of "smoking food" extremely weird... until I actually tried a blueberry muffin flavored vape.... that CURED me of wanting to vape anything tobacco-flavored, because the taste of blueberry muffins beats any tobacco ever grown. If you can get nicotine, throat hit, and similar behavior out of something that tastes way better than tobacco or tobacco-facsimile... why not?

zeeter said:

The 6mg I got last night was way, way too harsh and I'm finding that the 3mg is fine for me. I might even be able to get away with 0mg. Though vaping all the time at 3mg probably amounts to the same as regular smoking intervals at 18mg. What I need to do is try a small bottle of 0mg and see if I'm craving it or if it's just the act of smoking that I'm addicted to.

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The nicotine replacement is somewhat important, at least at first, but the "addiction" really is more about a decades-long ingrained behavior than chemical dependence, at least for most people -- some of us had or have a strong dependence on the MAOIs, and need WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids, of which nicotine is 95%) along with nicotine, but that's a different matter.

zeeter said:

Currently I'm researching making coils. We'll see how that turns out...

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And that is real freedom -- to make coils that vape the way YOU like, and not spend gadzillions of $$$ buying pre-made coils. Ditto that for making your own DIY ejuice -- that gives you the flavor YOU like, in the strength that YOU need, and will save EVEN MORE $$$.

The Powers That Be hate anything resembling actual freedom -- they want us chained forever; don't believe any of those talking heads that say they want you to quit smoking -- they really don't, because if all smokers quit, most of them would be out of a job.

Andria

I'm late on this...as usual...for me, and I speak only from my experience, I can taste the flavor of a juice better at lower nicotine. At higher nicotine levels, the actual flavor of the juice doesn't come through as much. I don't believe I am tasting the nicotine itself, but I think it hinders the true juice flavor. YMMV. If you want to try some real tobacco flavors try some NET, naturally extracted tobacco. Tobacco flavors made from flavoring is hit or miss. Some of them are very good and some are crap. I had a tobacco flavor once that tasted like licking an ashtray...an ashtray full of recently discarded cigs. It was nasty.

I got Peaches and Cream with 3 mg of nicotine yesterday. I was not inclined to get a sweat flavor, but find myself thoroughly enjoying this. It's a very nice aftertaste. I also got a caramel-mocha-tobacco flavor that I am enjoying.

what strength is suitable for the beginners, you guys have any suggestion?

levis said:

what strength is suitable for the beginners, you guys have any suggestion?

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Depends on the wattage you vape at and style of vaping.
Low wattage MTL style of vaping 12-18 mg.
V style tanks at 60 watts or higher 3 mg.
in between wattage 6 mg.

Your usage will of course vary and do not buy lots of one strength of juice until you see how it will work out.

The Cromwell said:

Depends on the wattage you vape at and style of vaping.
Low wattage MTL style of vaping 12-18 mg.
V style tanks at 60 watts or higher mg.
in between wattage 6 mg.

Your usage will of course vary and do not buy lots of one strength of juice until you see how it will work out.

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And it's far better to start low, and need more, than to start high, and feel like throwing up -- the latter could cure you of the desire to vape forever.

Andria

The Cromwell said:

Depends on the wattage you vape at and style of vaping.
Low wattage MTL style of vaping 12-18 mg.
V style tanks at 60 watts or higher 3 mg.
in between wattage 6 mg.

Your usage will of course vary and do not buy lots of one strength of juice until you see how it will work out.

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got it, thanks, man

I've been having some...let's call them "uncontrollable intestinal issues" recently. I vape at 3mg but vape a lot. And when I say uncontrollable, I mean right now, wherever I am, no matter what I'm doing, I have about 15 seconds to take care of business.

Too much nicotine? Too much VG?

I feel fine outside of these episodes. Headache at night that I know is due to too much nicotine. Thinking of cutting back to 1.5 if I can. Or getting a nicotine free bottle of the same recipe and mixing it with the 3mg. I really don't think it's a nicotine thing with me but rather a physical habit thing.

zeeter said:

I've been having some...let's call them "uncontrollable intestinal issues" recently. I vape at 3mg but vape a lot. And when I say uncontrollable, I mean right now, wherever I am, no matter what I'm doing, I have about 15 seconds to take care of business.

Too much nicotine? Too much VG?

I feel fine outside of these episodes. Headache at night that I know is due to too much nicotine. Thinking of cutting back to 1.5 if I can. Or getting a nicotine free bottle of the same recipe and mixing it with the 3mg. I really don't think it's a nicotine thing with me but rather a physical habit thing.

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Definitely sounds like a nic OD; it stimulates peristalsis. You could reduce it by lowering the mg, turning down the power/temp, or simply vaping less. If you know you're gonna vape a certain amount regardless, then either lower the mg or the power/temp.

Andria

AndriaD said:

Definitely sounds like a nic OD; it stimulates peristalsis. You could reduce it by lowering the mg, turning down the power/temp, or simply vaping less. If you know you're gonna vape a certain amount regardless, then either lower the mg or the power/temp.

Andria

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Thanks, Andrea, but I'm not entirely sure about that. It happens sometimes first thing in the AM and my body should be clear of nicotine during that time. Get up, let the dogs out, feed the cats, sit at computer, vape for fifteen minutes with a cup of coffee, and then fifteen minutes later it's time. I don't see how that could be nicotine. And I know I suggested it in my earlier post so I'm kind of contradicting myself.

Check with your doctor, it also could not even be related to vaping, as you said in the first part of your post.

Headaches are also a sign of dehydration. Try keeping a log for a week of exactly how much water you drink, just to eliminate that possibility.

zeeter said:

Thanks, Andrea, but I'm not entirely sure about that. It happens sometimes first thing in the AM and my body should be clear of nicotine during that time. Get up, let the dogs out, feed the cats, sit at computer, vape for fifteen minutes with a cup of coffee, and then fifteen minutes later it's time. I don't see how that could be nicotine. And I know I suggested it in my earlier post so I'm kind of contradicting myself.

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Hmm... guess it might even be something related to smoking cessation -- your body clearing out old toxins or something. Or, as Whiskey pointed out.. maybe not related to vaping at all.

Andria

Seems to be better today. I'm working from home and have been vaping all day. No issues. Could have just been something I ate yesterday.