Can you ruin sub ohm tanks? Muted flavor across several tanks with new coils.

Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

I have 4 sub-ohm tanks. UWell Crown 1, Arymi Gille, Horizon Duos, and Big Baby Beast. I have tried new coils in all these tanks. I've cleaned all the tanks by soaking in Vodka and scrubbing with a toothbrush. I've tried all extra o-rings and tanks. I start by poking small holes in the new coil with a bobby pin. I prime the coils by soaking them in juice, letting them sit in the tank for 60 minutes, starting a minimal wattage and working my way up. This muted taste begins even at the lowest wattage and never dissipates. I have tried "breaking in the new coils" by smoking a tank or two of juice at low wattage and this terrible flavor never goes away or gets better. I know I am not damaging the coils because the wattage never reaches the recommended minimum. I've tried several juices so I know the juice is good. I have tried different mods. In every tank I get this muted flavor, not burnt just muted. They all have this similar no taste experience. The first few coils worked great but after that the experience has not been good. I can build a dual coil RDA and it works great.

Is it possible I left the original coils in the tanks too long and it damaged the tanks irreparably? I find this hard to believe but if this is the case I will try a new tank.

Any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated.

Huckleberried · Jul 22, 2017

I know this will sound like a cop out, but it does remind me of vaper's tongue. Are you vaping several flavors, or just one all the time? Staying hydrated?

Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

I use several different flavors and drink water during the day. I've read about this and considered it. I The only reason I doubt this is because I can build a dual coil RDA and the flavor is amazing.

Huckleberried · Jul 22, 2017

Hmm. Well, I'm not a dripper, but I've always heard that the flavor is top notch. Do you think that maybe you're experiencing the difference between the two? Since you've cleaned them out, primed your coils, and still have taste in other gear, that's really all I got, LOL.

I haven't used factory type coil tanks in a while. I love the flavor from RTAs and RDTAs. Sorry I'm really no help on that.

I've also read, out in the forum, that sometimes the flavor with factory coils might need to be around the minimum, or closer to the max, even somewhere in between. Have you tried turning up your wattage on those? You mentioned using them below or closer to the minimum. You might need them higher to make that pop more.

I feel like I'm not great help, but I'm certain you'll get more responses.

Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

Thanks, Huckleberry. After verifying that the flavor isn't changing at lower wattage and after a good bit up vaping I have turned the wattage up to near maximum for a few hits and it's the same flavor at lower wattage. I feel like I have tried everything honestly, I was hoping that I was missing something. I am just out of ideas.

Huckleberried · Jul 22, 2017

Well some factory coils do suck, and we've all gotten bad ones, BUT with this many tanks you've tried out, I wouldn't necessarily call it that. Very weird.

It's early on a Saturday, so I'm sure people are playing catch up, or sleeping in, LOL. Hopefully you get it figured out soon. Good luck to ya, and I'm sorry I wasn't really any help.

JuicyLucy · Jul 22, 2017

I agree with Huck here - I think you are merely finding the rebuildable coils produce better flavor

Also haven't used factory coils in a very long time, but when I made the switch to rebuildables, factory coils immediately seemed very muted or even nasty in comparison

IMFire3605 · Jul 22, 2017

You also need to take into account, most, not all, but most factory pre-fabricated coils do mute flavors a bit. The fact you are having trouble with a UWell Crown and a Smok Big Baby beast, 2 of the best flavor tanks on the market, it could be subconscious, in the back of your mind, especially if you drip a lot.

Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

JuicyLucy said:
I agree with Huck here - I think you are merely finding the rebuildable coils produce better flavor

Also haven't used factory coils in a very long time, but when I made the switch to rebuildables, factory coils immediately seemed very muted or even nasty in comparison

I've only built 2 mediocre dual coil builds to try a debunk my issue. Hoping it was my mod or juice or vapors tongue. I can confirm all these tanks worked perfect for one or two coils. I agree that there has to be another explanation but the flavor is awful, not just muted. Thanks for your input though.

Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

IMFire3605 said:
You also need to take into account, most, not all, but most factory pre-fabricated coils do mute flavors a bit. The fact you are having trouble with a UWell Crown and a Smok Big Baby beast, 2 of the best flavor tanks on the market, it could be subconscious, in the back of your mind, especially if you drip a lot.

Agreed. I do not drip a lot, just tried it in an attempt to troubleshoot. The Gille tanks were super cheap so I bought several of them. They worked great out of the box for one or two coils. I would buy another tank and again, it would work great. But after going through a few coils it ended up just like my other Gille tanks.

The Huntress · Jul 22, 2017

Huckleberried said:
I know this will sound like a cop out, but it does remind me of vaper's tongue. Are you vaping several flavors, or just one all the time? Staying hydrated?

This, yes, this. I've only been vaping for 5 weeks. When I first just quit the sticks I was sucking my fav juice so much I might as well have been mainlining the shit.
I went through my 3 tanks 6 coils and my wife testing them saying they were fine....when I googled the problem....vapors tongue. 3 days of menthol(yuck) nasal sinus rinses, hot showers and saunas, finally I could taste again!
In order to not have this happen, first a ton f water, second- I switch flavors 3-4 times a day. It can still happen cause I only Vape Tobaccos, so every other day or so I load up stone Angel sauce and that really helps.
Huntress

JuicyLucy · Jul 22, 2017

Thermatico said:
Hoping it was my mod

The mod itself is going to have no bearing at all on flavor - it fires the attie, that's it

While mods can be inaccurate or misbehave in other ways, they do not ruin coils unless fired too hot and that is operator error, not a mod ruining anything

Still think it's likely vapers tongue, which can also make it so that juices taste nasty

Happened to me for a few hours last week, everything tasted gross rather than muted

bobnat · Jul 22, 2017

I believe many of us underestimate how much water we truly need normally. Add vaping into your life and the need rises dramatically. I find myself getting dehydrated a lot these days because it's so fucking hot here and I like to spend time outside. I notice the quality of flavor of my juices varies wildly during the course of a day and I attribute it to my hydration.

Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

JuicyLucy said:
The mod itself is going to have no bearing at all on flavor - it fires the attie, that's it

While mods can be inaccurate or misbehave in other ways, they do not ruin coils unless fired too hot and that is operator error, not a mod ruining anything

Still think it's likely vapers tongue, which can also make it so that juices taste nasty

Happened to me for a few hours last week, everything tasted gross rather than muted

It may very well be vapors tongue. The only reason I think it's not is because it taste fine in the RDA I built to test. I tried everything and broke down and built an RDA just to see if they flavor improved.

Is it impossible to think that I've burnt the first one or two coils in all these tanks too long and ruined the tank? The only constant has to be the tanks that once worked in the past. I don't think it can be new the coils since I've been through so many different new ones with no improvement.

I appreciate everyone's suggestions!

JuicyLucy · Jul 22, 2017

IME, you sense of taste changes quickly with vaping, and when you go up a notch in quality, what seemed great one day is not after having something better, such as factory coils vs your own

For some people it is that fast and simple

Huckleberried · Jul 22, 2017

JuicyLucy said:
IME, you sense of taste changes quickly with vaping, and when you go up a notch in quality, what seemed great one day is not after having something better, such as factory coils vs your own

For some people it is that fast and simple

This, yep.

I learned how to make coils by rebuilding old Protank coils, and even the improvement on those was astounding. Better tanks, since then allowed me to even reduce the amount of flavoring I need. I had one of those out a few months back, just to see how it vaped, compared to what I use now. SHOCKING, the difference between what I used to think tasted good, and what DOES taste good, LOL.

Safe to say, a protank is really no comparison to the types you're using now, but from what I used to like, then having better quality... there's the comparison. I remember chatting with a couple friends that kept getting me to try out some wicking that I had, and never tried, so I finally tried it out. Even that shocked the crap out of me.

Little subtle changes, and differences can make so much difference with vaping. I'm just saying that when you have total control of your build, your wicking material, and even your juice, for that matter, a whole new world opens up. Maybe it's just that you've had a taste of that total control, and you liked it, and your taste buds got shocked at what they didn't get, LOL.

forza · Jul 22, 2017

Vape tongue.

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Thermatico · Jul 22, 2017

I am going to buy and RTA. Any suggestions?

Thanks to everyone for your ideas.

ChrisL · Jul 23, 2017

Might try wicking up the pre installed coils on the RBA deck that came with your BBB tank, or pop in some new ones. It's easy to build on, and the flavor is as good or better than the T-8 coils, which I do like.

Huckleberried · Jul 23, 2017

Everything I have is more geared toward a MTL-ish vape, so I won't be much help on that part. Pretty much everything I have is for a single coil. Aromamizers are popular, and the Boreas has a TON of fans that are still fans after a couple years. Plus, they have a good price tag on them at eciggity, I think. TENOFF might still work for 10% off, too.

gbalkam · Jul 27, 2017

Try lower airflow, smaller drip tip, start your power at low wattage and work your way up (So you don't cook your wick on the lower airflow setting).

gbalkam · Jul 27, 2017

Thermatico said:
I am going to buy and RTA. Any suggestions?

Thanks to everyone for your ideas.

Since I noticed your post was about flavor, I suggest a Tsunami or TwistedMesses. I have several RDAs and the Tsunami is tops for flavor with TwistedMesses coming in at a close second. (TM gives bigger clouds though)

IMFire3605 · Jul 27, 2017

RTA tanks top of my suggestion list would be the Serpent Mini, single coil but a dang flavor beast and very reliable, older but still a great tank the Griffin or Griffin25.

RDTA I'd suggest the Limitless, stay away from the Moonshot, but most RDTA's are a bear to wick properly as the juice is pulled from below, they are a revamp of the old Genesis style tanks, only a horizontal coil configuration compared to a vertical, and the Limitless is pretty easy to wick, take off the refill ring, drape your wicks in, reseat the ring, prime and fill with juice.

gbalkam · Aug 10, 2017

Thermatico said:
It may very well be vapors tongue. The only reason I think it's not is because it taste fine in the RDA I built to test. I tried everything and broke down and built an RDA just to see if they flavor improved.

Is it impossible to think that I've burnt the first one or two coils in all these tanks too long and ruined the tank? The only constant has to be the tanks that once worked in the past. I don't think it can be new the coils since I've been through so many different new ones with no improvement.

I appreciate everyone's suggestions!

RDA are geneerally top of the line for flavor. Use clapton coils, 2.5mm or 3.0mm inner diameter, small bore tip and half open air *or to taste* smaller tip, less air = better flavor. Just not to much power or you burn your wick.
start low and work up to your happy spot.

gbalkam · Aug 10, 2017

IMFire3605 said:
RTA tanks top of my suggestion list would be the Serpent Mini, single coil but a dang flavor beast and very reliable, older but still a great tank the Griffin or Griffin25.

RDTA I'd suggest the Limitless, stay away from the Moonshot, but most RDTA's are a bear to wick properly as the juice is pulled from below, they are a revamp of the old Genesis style tanks, only a horizontal coil configuration compared to a vertical, and the Limitless is pretty easy to wick, take off the refill ring, drape your wicks in, reseat the ring, prime and fill with juice.

I use ijoy RDTA COMBO.. I like it, it has 2 build decks included. So you can build damn near anything on it.

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