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riburune

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everywhere i go people tell me not to buy Chines e liquid but the price so attractive 6-7$ for 100ml
and when i ask why not chines e liquids people mostly say they meant for low wattage
but how it can be if the PG/VG is 30/70 like other EU/US manufactures? where is the differences and what make the E liquids good for high wattage use ?

i am new and this subject seem so odd to me
 

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I my honest opinion, there may be some good ejuice coming from China, but I would not trust them. Remember, China is the place where toys were made with lead paint. China is the place where dog food came from that was shown to kill dogs because of poisonous ingredients. I would not take the chance. There are some reputable American juice companies that have very reasonable prices, you just have to look for them. To each their own, I just do not want to see the headline in the news " Ecig user dies from poisoned ejuice " because the media will certainly not look for the source of the juice. They will just assert that "All Ejuice Bad" narrative.

Just my 2 cents.
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PG, VG, Nic and flavoring. Those are the ingredients. All are very cheap and available.

I find it highly doubtful that any of those would be substituted for lead or dog food poison as the only reason to do so would be for cost savings. Every DIY'er knows how cheap it is to make juice.
 

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PG, VG, Nic and flavoring. Those are the ingredients. All are very cheap and available.

I find it highly doubtful that any of those would be substituted for lead or dog food poison as the only reason to do so would be for cost savings. Every DIY'er knows how cheap it is to make juice.
so there isn't real difference ?
 

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so there isn't real difference ?
Well if price is really that much of a concern for you, why not try to make your own liquid? That would be the cheapest route and there are plenty of people on this forum that would be more than willing to help you. Either way I wish you the best of luck. Happy vaping!

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I'd trust Hangsen juice over anyone from the states. My fav nic base is from China as well. Hiliq's products are very clean.
 

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Lead in baby toys, lead in pet toys, toxic pet food...IF you're willing to trust them after all that, enjoy your $6 100ml juice
sure, not every company is like that, but why risk it?
There are a bunch of US made juices at budget pricing, $15-20 for 120ml is pretty reasonable
 

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True, DIY is really cheap, super tasty, even, but not everyone wants to go that route. Tmaxx sells 120ml for about $12 and they have a lot of fans. Cruise the ejuice section here and you'll see lots of chatter for budget pricing, or even the vendors sections. Many run deals on multi packs, and even shipping deals. They're out there.
 

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I'd trust Hangsen juice over anyone from the states. My fav nic base is from China as well. Hiliq's products are very clean.
I would only vape authentic Hangsen over US if I had to buy. DIY is cheaper as well.
 

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You'd have to go to these countries, better yet, live there to understand them. As much as some people like to think they understand them, they have no point of reference but their own and it fails them. There is not one simple answer as to why the juice can't be trusted, but it can't be trusted. I've lived next door to India for 18 years. Half of this country is Indians and I'd stop vaping before I bought juice made by Indians. Same with the Chinese, it's just not worth the risk.
 

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Would I vape China's Juice again, probably but, why?

I have vaped China's Juices from FastTech and GearBest, descent flavor, low cost, 15 days delivery. Last week I order from Verde Valley vapes and I got 350ml for around $35 within 3 days. If you look around, you get good deals and fast turn around. If you time it right, you get really great deals within US and maybe start some DIY. Lots of members want to help you. I am waiting for some sirynges and will try a few recipes from Boogenshizzle, single flavors ones.
 

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so there isn't real difference ?

Sure there is. A real difference is in whether you live or die, right? China has ZERO regard for human life, however they have recently learned to love money. A lot of the ANTZ make a huge deal out of ejuice being "unregulated," but in America, there are many and varied consumer protections and laws, and America also has a terrific grasp of the fact that a dead customer can't buy anything else, and sick customers will tell everyone else (on the internet, no less!) not to buy the product that made them sick. China doesn't care if people die or get sick -- there are so damn many of them, why would they care? Just look at their damn air!

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so there isn't real difference ?

No. PG, VG, Nic and flavoring. Very simple. Very cheap.

Aside from that, if I go back far enough in the VU forum posts, I can show you US vendors and vape shops getting caught mixing their juice in bathrooms and whatnot. Or accusations of such.

I'd buy chinese juice but I DIY.
 

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You should see the picture of the corn that Kentucky Fried Chicken sold me. 1/4 of it was brown and soggy like it was leftover from the bottom of the container for a few days.
 

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It sounds like DIY would allay your cost issues, but I agree with the "China has no concern for your health" sentiment expressed by others.

I approach the Chinese eliquid issue in "risk/benefit" kind of way.
The risk of getting bad eliquid from China outweighs any benefit of a dollar or two saved.
 
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:thanks: the stories too scary so i decided to buy local from spicyvape and yaeliq not gonna risk it for now , maybe i will do some China liquid tests later but for now i rather just stop smoking.
Oh hey, Yealiq is a local for you? That's awesome. I've had their juice, received 5 huge bottles in a contest. They do have some tasty ones.
 

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View attachment 86499 It sounds like DIY would allay your cost issues, but I agree with the "China has no concern for your health" sentiment expressed by others.

I approach the Chinese eliquid issue in "risk/benefit" kind of way.
The risk of getting bad eliquid from China outweighs any benefit of a dollar or two saved.

Nice pic i like it

Oh hey, Yealiq is a local for you? That's awesome. I've had their juice, received 5 huge bottles in a contest. They do have some tasty ones.
what you liked best from all 5 can you recommend me some and to be honest i am afraid from trying anything that is not fruit:goat:seems to scary like all the cookies flavors and stuff
 

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Nice pic i like it


what you liked best from all 5 can you recommend me some and to be honest i am afraid from trying anything that is not fruit:goat:seems to scary like all the cookies flavors and stuff
No, don't be afraid of the cookies. Cookies vape really well. I DIY juice, and cookies are my all day every day vape.

I liked their Ecto Cooler, I think that's what it's called, Ecto something, LOL. I liked their Cookies Milkshake. I mentioned to a friend that I didn't care for the Pina Colada, at all, and he said the same thing, so I can't recommend that one. Another friend of mine really liked their Root Beer flavor. I tasted it, it was really pretty good. If you like vanilla custard, you might really enjoy their Ultimate Cake. With all that said, those were from what I chose, so I don't know if those are still available on his lists.
 

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If you want to learn to make your own ejuice the RIGHT WAY and pay $4 ish per 100 ml then pm me. Your first time will cost the most (buying equipment which is dirt cheap) and after that youll brew up 500ml and 2L batches of juice like nobodys business. Then you can vape like a horny dragon blowing smoke all day and night. 1.5L cost me about $120 at 5-8 mg nicotine, varies by flavour and personal choice. And more often than not mixing a bunch of delicious sounding flavours that go together in your head turns out amazing. Hardest part is steeping; letting the juice fully cure before use. But even the biggest names dont let juice fully cure before shipping it off to be sold.

long story short? China = no. DIY = oh yes.
 

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I'm a picky person and only like a handful of juices. I wouldn't buy juice from china but I will add that they were the first to make juice in labs / clean rooms.
 

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If you want to learn to make your own ejuice the RIGHT WAY and pay $4 ish per 100 ml then pm me. Your first time will cost the most (buying equipment which is dirt cheap) and after that youll brew up 500ml and 2L batches of juice like nobodys business. Then you can vape like a horny dragon blowing smoke all day and night. 1.5L cost me about $120 at 5-8 mg nicotine, varies by flavour and personal choice. And more often than not mixing a bunch of delicious sounding flavours that go together in your head turns out amazing. Hardest part is steeping; letting the juice fully cure before use. But even the biggest names dont let juice fully cure before shipping it off to be sold.

long story short? China = no. DIY = oh yes.

Why does 1.5 liter cost you $120??? Holy cow that's a lot but if you say so.. lol
 

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everywhere i go people tell me not to buy Chines e liquid but the price so attractive 6-7$ for 100ml
and when i ask why not chines e liquids people mostly say they meant for low wattage
but how it can be if the PG/VG is 30/70 like other EU/US manufactures? where is the differences and what make the E liquids good for high wattage use ?

i am new and this subject seem so odd to me

The Chinese only recently perfected unleaded baby formula...

jus sayin...
 

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Why does 1.5 liter cost you $120??? Holy cow that's a lot but if you say so.. lol

Maybe he meant $12 and hit the zero by accident? I can make a whole liter of mine, fairly expensive since I use 27% flavoring, for $60, so 1.5 liters would be $90. If he really meant $120 for 1.5L, maybe he buys that super-expensive nic (which is pretty much identical to the cheap stuff, but you can't tell people anything, they swear it's "better").

Andria
 

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And wasn't there some sorta "thousand milligram nic" snafu a couple years back?
I seem to vaguely remember a Chinee vendor that was sending out pure (hazmat suit pure :eek:)
nicotine as 100mg in order to subvert some shipping safety requirements?
That came to light here, didn't it?

I forgot the exact details but I remember the riot... :rolleyes:
 

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And wasn't there some sorta "thousand milligram nic" snafu a couple years back?
I seem to vaguely remember a Chinee vendor that was sending out pure (hazmat suit pure :eek:)
nicotine as 100mg in order to subvert some shipping safety requirements?
That came to light here, didn't it?

I forgot the exact details but I remember the riot... :rolleyes:

No.

There were people upset a chinese vendor sold pure nic and their shipping methods. No snafu involved in that one. It was mostly do gooders mad that somebody was selling pure nic.

And there were some peeps that ordered pure nic from various vendors and didn't dilute it but those were separate threads.
 

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PG, VG, Nic and flavoring. Those are the ingredients. All are very cheap and available.

I find it highly doubtful that any of those would be substituted for lead or dog food poison as the only reason to do so would be for cost savings. Every DIY'er knows how cheap it is to make juice.
I don't know Time...I remember watching a story about a a mysterious rash of people getting deathly ill...I think it was in Panama....had the doctors totally stumped as the patients seemed to have nothing in common.....turned out they were all using the same brand of cough medicine....made in China they were putting anti-freeze in the stuff. The Panamanian goverment went after the company sent a group of people to China to track down the owners and the factory....when they got to china they were told the company had gone out of bussiness and nobody knew where the owners were.....probably the owners were cousins of the minister of health,.
 
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I don't know Time...I remember watching a story about a a mysterious rash of people getting deathly ill...I think it was in Panama....had the doctors totally stumped as the patients seemed to have nothing in common.....turned out they were all using the same brand of cough medicine....made in China they were putting anti-freeze in the stuff. The Panamanian goverment went after the company sent a group of people to China to track down the owners and the factory....when they got to china they were told the company had gone out of bussiness and nobody knew where the owners were.....probably the owners were cousins of the minister of health,.

I get your point but I can't get over the irony.

People were having fits about chinese e-liquid back in early cig-a-like days because they were making it with antifreeze. The antifreeze was pg. :giggle:
 

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Why does 1.5 liter cost you $120??? Holy cow that's a lot but if you say so.. lol


because i buy the best quality ingredients. Mind you i like my flavours and nicotine on the heavy side. Also 85% VG means almost no PG. best quality VG cost alot more than PG. if im making it i want to craft a product that competes with a $30 per 30ml bottle. All my friends buy my ejuice for $20/60ml STEEPED PROPERLY. 3 of my buddies run .15-.2 double and tripple clapton builds and blast a 60ml bottle in 1-2 days. They love me dearly...
 

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And not to mention $120 for 1.5L of ejuice means a 60ml bottle cost me $5 to make including the plastic bottle itself. 60ml last me 5 days. I rebuild my coils. I spend about $35 per month between juice and coils vaping like a monster. Some people spend that much in a day or 2.
 

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No.

There were people upset a chinese vendor sold pure nic and their shipping methods. No snafu involved in that one. It was mostly do gooders mad that somebody was selling pure nic.

Oh... I KNEW I was a lil fuzzy on that story.:) Well at least I spelled the word nicotine right. :huh:
 

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because i buy the best quality ingredients. Mind you i like my flavours and nicotine on the heavy side. Also 85% VG means almost no PG. best quality VG cost alot more than PG. if im making it i want to craft a product that competes with a $30 per 30ml bottle. All my friends buy my ejuice for $20/60ml STEEPED PROPERLY. 3 of my buddies run .15-.2 double and tripple clapton builds and blast a 60ml bottle in 1-2 days. They love me dearly...
where do you buy your VG...link please...I buy mine from an herbalist it's Palm VG..
 

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I get your point but I can't get over the irony.

People were having fits about chinese e-liquid back in early cig-a-like days because they were making it with antifreeze. The antifreeze was pg. :giggle:

You made the assertion that there wouldn't be an economic incentive to alter the ingredients given the relative low cost of the ingredients. The key word here is relative. To an American or European, perhaps it wouldn't be due to our overall economic wealth. But in countries around the world that stuff is not as inexpensive as one would think. Therefore, they do have economic incentives to substitute or adulterate the ingredients.

One area in which we can see this daily is in the equipment we use. The Wismec RX 2/3 is a fine example. The wire that goes from the battery terminal to the power button is too thin. It will break eventually, as mine did. I replaced the wire with a thicker gauge. Wismec could have used the thicker gauge to begin with but it was an economic decision not to do so. The savings per unit is so small it seems insignificant. However, combine that with the other areas of the mod that also used less desirable components, such as the screws, the metal for the battery connectors, etc. Once all is taken into account, now the savings add up to a few pennies. Now multiply that by tens of thousands. Again, maybe the overall savings is only $10,000, for sake of argument. But the companies producing these are making lots and lots of stuff, not just Wismec mods. Multiply that 10k by 100 products and now the amount is huge money by US standards, never mind Chinese standards.

Finally, the large manufacturers in China are probably in business for the long haul so they have to count every penny. But who is going to get into the Juice business? We see in the US a massive influx of people into the juice business, many of whom have no idea what they're doing. Many are playing it for short-term gains. Now think about China and who will be making the juice. It's not going to be Foxconn, that's for sure. It's going to be some shithead and his best friend mixing this shit in their bathroom. There is no way you can safely say it isn't true.

As for the vaping industry policing itself, do you really think for a moment some guy in Shanghai is going to give a flying fuck about we say on these forums? Ultimately, we are always taking a risk on consuming products that go into our bodies. Life is full of so many risks. However, there is a quantifiable difference in the risks we take. Would you rather take the risk with some company in the US that has some presence in the vaping community or with a totally unknown quantity in China, a country which is opaque to an extreme?
 

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Maybe he meant $12 and hit the zero by accident? I can make a whole liter of mine, fairly expensive since I use 27% flavoring, for $60, so 1.5 liters would be $90. If he really meant $120 for 1.5L, maybe he buys that super-expensive nic (which is pretty much identical to the cheap stuff, but you can't tell people anything, they swear it's "better").

Andria


Good point! lol I was gonna try nic salts when I need more.. what're your thoughts on that Andria ? Worth the extra $?
 

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Good point! lol I was gonna try nic salts when I need more.. what're your thoughts on that Andria ? Worth the extra $?

I really couldn't say; by the time those came along, I was completely off WTA and decreasing my nic levels pretty rapidly.

But, in my opinion, nicotine addiction accounts for only perhaps 10% of the cigarette addiction; mostly the addiction is a) behavioral (perhaps 75%-85% of the total addiction), and b) the MAOIs *COMBINED* with nicotine COMBINED with near-instantaneous uptake from microscopic smoke particles. The nic salts *might* provide faster uptake, I dunno, but it seems to me that if they do, then that only serves to make vaping more addictive, in the same way that WTA makes it more addictive.

Unlike the ANTZ, I don't necessarily have a problem with the simple fact of addiction, if the addictive substance isn't *too* harmful -- and nicotine really isn't, in vaping dosages... but it appears that a lot of people seem to desire to free themselves from addiction, not just from smoking, but also from nicotine... so in that regard, nic salts (or anything else that seems to prolong or further the addiction) would seem counter-productive; the main benefit might be to help those with a SEVERE addiction to nicotine, and those seem to be about as rare as those of us who had the MAOI addiction and needed WTA to really make vaping work for us.

Andria
 

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Unfortunately i had trial and error and this line of product was the best to me. PG, VG, and 100mg/ml nic. No idea what the brand is, but this is the site and link. When i select flavours theres an option to sort them by most popular. It its not in the first page of that flavour section i dont really bother. That system has worked well as ive yet to buy anything even only decent on there. Everythig is the tits

https://www.diyejuicesupply.ca/
 

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It's not going to be Foxconn, that's for sure. It's going to be some shithead and his best friend mixing this shit in their bathroom. There is no way you can safely say it isn't true.

As for the vaping industry policing itself, do you really think for a moment some guy in Shanghai is going to give a flying fuck about we say on these forums? Ultimately, we are always taking a risk on consuming products that go into our bodies. Life is full of so many risks. However, there is a quantifiable difference in the risks we take. Would you rather take the risk with some company in the US that has some presence in the vaping community or with a totally unknown quantity in China, a country which is opaque to an extreme?

The vendor/s mixing in their bathroom and basement have been outed already. At least, the ones we know about so far. They were in the US. And, they had a large presence in the vaping community.

Your points are valid but fail to address that those same concerns happen here in the US, also.
 

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Oh... I KNEW I was a lil fuzzy on that story.:) Well at least I spelled the word nicotine right. :huh:
There was a (US) vendor that shipped out a bunch of mislabeled 200mg/ml nic, maybe a year or two ago. It was labeled as 100mg/ml, but it seems they may have caught that quickly. Not quick enough that a bunch of people did receive it.

Then there's a China vendor that was shipping out nic, no matter what strength, labeling as PG or VG, to avoid customs issues, or something. Last I heard, somewhat recently, they still ship that way.
 

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It seemed to me that many vapors who attack the Chinese Ejuice were nonsensical. Have you experienced Ejuice from China ?
You(attacker) are a limited outlook , I am from China . Thanks :xD::xD::xD:
 

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It seemed to me that many vapors who attack the Chinese Ejuice were nonsensical. Have you experienced Ejuice from China ?
You(attacker) are a limited outlook , I am from China . Thanks :xD::xD::xD:

Many people have a limited outlook and are biased based on misconceptions and lack of knowledge. I DIY and the only commercial e-liquid I still buy is one made in China. I can't duplicate the flavor no matter how I try so I just go ahead and buy it when I need more :D
 

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I just received a couple of Chinese e-Liquids and so far only tried one which although is not for me Black Guanyin because it is too sweet is a quality e-Liquid. I have 3 more to test and will keep updating as I go through the rest.
 

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I just received a couple of Chinese e-Liquids and so far only tried one which although is not for me Black Guanyin because it is too sweet is a quality e-Liquid. I have 3 more to test and will keep updating as I go through the rest.

I've tried about a couple dozen or so and some were just fine.... others, not so fine. :eek:
I can make the same statement about juice made here in North America.

The only one I buy is Karnoo Mango Shake from FT. Love this stuff and can't even come close to making it DIY.
 

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I have another called Prime 15 (Tobacco) which smells delicious but just did not have the free time to try it yet. Also have two Strawberry Blends that sweet lovely but that isn't vaping them. I have made some DIY that smelled awesome which was WTF?
 

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