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jasonandsarah

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I wasn't sure if anyone else saw this? The owner of armageddon mtg called out 3fvape for selling clones as authentic and they basically told him to bad?! Crazy and I guess they sold out quickly so there's going to be a lot of people that think they have the real deal and don't.

Here's the link if I copied it right lol
https://m.facebook.com/armageddonmf...41828.205505766528311/315063958905824/?type=3

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I wasn't sure if anyone else saw this? The owner of armageddon mtg called out 3fvape for selling clones as authentic and they basically told him to bad?! Crazy and I guess they sold out quickly so there's going to be a lot of people that think they have the real deal and don't.

Here's the link if I copied it right lol
https://m.facebook.com/armageddonmf...41828.205505766528311/315063958905824/?type=3

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Seems armageddon threatened to take action when they go to China in a few weeks. I doubt they will have a leg to stand on being in China.

So I take it these are not authentic but clones below in the pic?

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Taking the first one and comparing it I'd say yes but then again I've never owned one and clones are just way to good these days to say 100% from a picture. That is Unless of course your the owner of the company and then I'll take they're word for it.
I mean you'd think if they weren't 3fvape would of said way more then they did.
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I just spoke to armageddon, and yes they are clones from 3fvape
 

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3Fvape if they say Authentic it's authentic, some manufacturers get pissy when some retailers sell under their SRP.

I mostly stick with authentic, only buy Clones to test high end gear before I shell out for the Authentic. I've never had any issues with 3Fvape.

As for the threat of litigation, good luck, it's China. Also if they're butthurt about 3Fvape undercutting their SRP, that's one of the things of what you get when you have your shit manufactured in China.

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3Fvape if they say Authentic it's authentic, some manufacturers get pissy when some retailers sell under their SRP.

I mostly stick with authentic, only buy Clones to test high end gear before I shell out for the Authentic. I've never had any issues with 3Fvape.

As for the threat of litigation, good luck, it's China. Also if they're butthurt about 3Fvape undercutting their SRP, that's one of the things of what you get when you have your shit manufactured in China.

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Have no problem with clones but the vendor should state so with the word LIKE! if not authentic.
 

jasonandsarah

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This was a few weeks ago so they might of added "style" but it wasn't they're before from my understanding. Maybe 3fvape was under the impression they were authentic? Im not fully sure, but even if that was the case they should respond better to the confrontation with a decent explanation.
I know a lot of people trust 3fvape and that's why I wanted to post this. The more I look at the pics the more I think they're fakes.

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528 Customs got all butthurt at one of the China sites that was selling Goons at wholesale prices. 528 claimed they were clones, but they were authentic.
That was also 3fvape and 528 customs made them put the price up but I think they still have 'flash sales' on them.
 

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That was also 3fvape and 528 customs made them put the price up but I think they still have 'flash sales' on them.
I thought it was 3F, but wasn't sure if I remembered correctly.

Way I see it, they pay a Chinese company peanuts to make them, then charge a ridiculous markup, then try to smear someone when they're being undersold...fuck 'em.
Not saying for a fact Armageddon is doing the same thing, but the story has an awful familiar ring to it.
 

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528 Customs got all butthurt at one of the China sites that was selling Goons at wholesale prices. 528 claimed they were clones, but they were authentic.
Yep, I do remember that and it was 3Fvape who sold them at wholesale price.

Like I mentioned above, that's what you get when you have your product manufactured in China. They need to deal with it.

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I thought it was 3F, but wasn't sure if I remembered correctly.

Way I see it, they pay a Chinese company peanuts to make them, then charge a ridiculous markup, then try to smear someone when they're being undersold...fuck 'em.
Not saying for a fact Armageddon is doing the same thing, but the story has an awful familiar ring to it.

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Yeah @gakudzu spot on with the goon 3Fvape launched them at really low prices like the do all new product lines and 528 took issue with issue with it threatened to place an embargo on the wholesaler providing 3FVape with the goods unless they sold them at RRP

This is what I read on that situation anyway maybe the same with this one? I'm pretty sure since this has happened Armageddon have dropped thier prices on the apocalypse to $50 I might be wrong on this bit though
 

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Nope not wrong

http://armageddonmfg.com/product/apocalypse-gen-2-black-rda/

So I would read into this one as they are authentic now Armageddon have dropped thier price to stay competitive?

I've always wanted this RDA it's been in my wish list for ages might get the chance to snap one up without having to pay stupid money for it
 

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I thought it was 3F, but wasn't sure if I remembered correctly.

Way I see it, they pay a Chinese company peanuts to make them, then charge a ridiculous markup, then try to smear someone when they're being undersold...fuck 'em.
Not saying for a fact Armageddon is doing the same thing, but the story has an awful familiar ring to it.
Yep

If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, guess what?

I have absolutely no sympathy for them, none for they made the conscious business decision to have their products manufactured in China. They need to get over it and accept the consequences of their decision.

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Me, IMO no real advantage over the Goon.

I've spent well over $100 on a few RDA'S (and over $150 devices like the Squape) so I have no issues with paying for premium Gear. But if the Device is manufactured in China don't be greedy assholes ya know. An example of greed is dotMod gear and the Sherman RTA ;)

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It's a Kardashian??? :)

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120lbs psi lips, saline tits, fat ass? She's one fugly plastic human being, hell doubt it has much actual of the human species in it.

I seriously see absolutely nothing attractive about the mindless Bimbo ya know.

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jasonandsarah

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I'm not going to debate all this stuff but I will say in my eyes if it's a clone then I wouldn't buy from 3fvape again. If it's not a clone then it is what it is and I'm not going to worry much about msrp.

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Yep

If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, guess what?

I have absolutely no sympathy for them, none for they made the conscious business decision to have their products manufactured in China. They need to get over it and accept the consequences of their decision.

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yeah it's pretty funny they expect honor among thieves...
 

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Can someone link me too where it says these are made in China? Everything I can find says they're completely designed and manufactured in the good old USA?
Again I'm asking because Idk? I don't own one (well technically I do because I just bought an Elite v2)

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Can someone link me too where it says these are made in China? Everything I can find says they're completely designed and manufactured in the good old USA?
Again I'm asking because Idk? I don't own one (well technically I do because I just bought an Elite v2)

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Looking over their website a few minutes, I see NOTHING that states where their stuff is manufactured

Typically, companies that actually manufacture in the US shout it out bigtime - as well they should ;)
 

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It's not as simple as it looks folks.
1. Armageddon makes all their stuff in FL. Not China.
2. Unfortunately a Chinese company legally registered the name Armageddon & Apocalypse in China.
3. They then cloned the FL made Apocalypse and sold it under the Chinese Armageddon company name.

That's the story as told on Not Another Vape Show last Sunday.
 

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It's not as simple as it looks folks.
1. Armageddon makes all their stuff in FL. Not China.
2. Unfortunately a Chinese company legally registered the name Armageddon & Apocalypse in China.
3. They then cloned the FL made Apocalypse and sold it under the Chinese Armageddon company name.

That's the story as told on Not Another Vape Show last Sunday.

You'd think the US folks would be plastering Made in the USA all over their website if it was so

I can't find shit, though I did give up looking after 7 or 8 minutes
 

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They do, actually they state "Style "

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If you look at the pic above I posted from there website it says authentic, but they might of changed it up after I asked 3FVape where they bought them.
 

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It's not as simple as it looks folks.
1. Armageddon makes all their stuff in FL. Not China.
2. Unfortunately a Chinese company legally registered the name Armageddon & Apocalypse in China.
3. They then cloned the FL made Apocalypse and sold it under the Chinese Armageddon company name.

That's the story as told on Not Another Vape Show last Sunday.
If this is confirmed then I hope Armageddon mfg needs to get this taken care of and soon. This also would explain "if" the RDA listed as authentic is a Clone, 3Fvape got duped. There are many other Vendors who have gotten duped with Fakes.
You'd think the US folks would be plastering Made in the USA all over their website if it was so

I can't find shit, though I did give up looking after 7 or 8 minutes
Exactly, I don't believe they are made in the US for if their gear was it would be advertised as so.

In any case let the drama continue.

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3Fvape if they say Authentic it's authentic, some manufacturers get pissy when some retailers sell under their SRP.

I mostly stick with authentic, only buy Clones to test high end gear before I shell out for the Authentic. I've never had any issues with 3Fvape.

As for the threat of litigation, good luck, it's China. Also if they're butthurt about 3Fvape undercutting their SRP, that's one of the things of what you get when you have your shit manufactured in China.

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this^ we seen 528 do the same with the goon 3f sold. turned out they were authentic. companies just trying to protect their margins and not allow the MSRP to be lowered. Asmodus did it with a few suppliers. It happens a lot, and most manufacturers won't honor warranty if it's sold below MSRP but it doesn't mean they are fake.
 

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If you have your gear manufactured in China don't be surprised if they pull some shady shit. It is China after all. And if u want to make sure u are getting a legit product and not a clone don't BUY from China. With that being said if u are a company that wants to sell products for $100+ for a RDA or other atomizer and u had it manufactured in China for dirt cheap than shame on u for price gouging the very community of vapers that has supported you. I see it so often that a up and coming company is putting out top notch products that are made in our own back yards and communities and we as a community support them. We pay more for the quality and to support a local company putting out innovative products. Said company makes a few bucks and expands and we all say "great job" and look at them as a example of what can happen with hard work and solid products. But then somewhere along the line they decided to say screw it we are gonna have our shit mass produced in China so we can sell more of our product, and on top of that we are gonna charge the same damn amount of money and maybe even more since we are so well known now. That is where I have a problem. If u sell vape equipment at authentic top of the line prices but u have it mass produced by the same damn company that is cranking out tobeco RDAs then I have no sympathy for you when u get burned. After all u burned us when u over charged us for your "authentic" atomizers.


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Nope not wrong

http://armageddonmfg.com/product/apocalypse-gen-2-black-rda/

So I would read into this one as they are authentic now Armageddon have dropped thier price to stay competitive?

I've always wanted this RDA it's been in my wish list for ages might get the chance to snap one up without having to pay stupid money for it
Wow glad I didnt buy one last month at my local b&m! Now its definetly on my hit list. Along with the death trap and the dpro...its never ending. Ugh!

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You'd think the US folks would be plastering Made in the USA all over their website if it was so

I can't find shit, though I did give up looking after 7 or 8 minutes

If this is confirmed then I hope Armageddon mfg needs to get this taken care of and soon. This also would explain "if" the RDA listed as authentic is a Clone, 3Fvape got duped. There are many other Vendors who have gotten duped with Fakes. Exactly, I don't believe they are made in the US for if their gear was it would be advertised as so.

In any case let the drama continue.

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I agree with you both. Take pictures of your Factory, post it online. Done.

If he's telling the truth than i wish him all the success in confronting the Chinese imitators. If he's not, he's lost all credibility.

He stated on the show that he's going to bring a film crew along when he visits the chinese factory. We will see.
 

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Wow glad I didnt buy one last month at my local b&m! Now its definetly on my hit list. Along with the death trap and the dpro...its never ending. Ugh!

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LoL yeah know the feeling dusty got the deathtrap on mine as well!
 

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and the price war is on
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this is on 3fvape now as parft of a weekend long flash sale
It appears all the authentics are gone and they now only have STYLED ones
 

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I agree with you both. Take pictures of your Factory, post it online. Done.

If he's telling the truth than i wish him all the success in confronting the Chinese imitators. If he's not, he's lost all credibility.

He stated on the show that he's going to bring a film crew along when he visits the chinese factory. We will see.

I have reread the Facebook post a couple of times and see a few interesting points

Most of which the authentic atties are obviously (to me) made in China, or else why would an American be going to China?

Guess he could be a tourist but unlikely

Second, it could be that the factory they contract with made extra under the table and is selling them out from under Armageddon, in which case they need to go after their manufacturer, not the third party seller
 

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I think there is a lot of BS involved here just like with the Goon and with Manhattans before that and they dropped the price on their own site to 40 dollars with SS deck and 50 with @whateverthefuckelse@ and they have brass tube mods for stupid money. I don't see anything on either their site or Facebook that says anything is manufactured in the U.S. it all stinks pretty bad.
 

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the fact 3fvaoe change dthem form authentic to styled and dropped their price about 85% says alot right there
 

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I've seen clones available before the genuine!
Interesting story - I've had an authentic 24mm Dotmod RDA for about 6 months now. Straight from Dotmod. The Chinese sites have been selling clones of it for a little while now. The thing is, Dotmod STILL hasn't released them yet!
 
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theres no assumptions to make. yesterday or the day before i did a search on their site for armegeddon and it pulle dup all teh colors and said authentic as Smokie posted a picture of it.
Today you get no results for amegeddon but you get results for apocolypse and they are on sale for $6.99 originally 8.99 and they say STYLED. I am not making any assumptions im presenting facts
 

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"Your" facts or assumptions in my opinion, and I would rather hear what 3FVape has to say. No matter what you think or say nothing will change what I want to hear or from who.
 

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I mentioned earlier that the owner of Armageddon was on a you tube vape show explaining his side of the story.
This was Not Another Vape Show Episode #105 in case the link above doesn't work.
He starts explaining the story at 14:30. Whether you believe him or not, is up to you. I don't own either a authentic or a clone, so I just don't know what's what. I know it would be easier to believe his stuff is made in the USA if he would just post a picture of his factory.
 
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I mentioned earlier that the owner of Armageddon was on a you tube vape show explaining his side of the story.
Thos was Not Another Vape Show Episode #105 in case the link above doesn't work.
He starts explaining the story at 14:30. Whether you believe him or not, is up to you. I don't own either a authentic or a clone, so I just don't know what's what. I know it would be easier to believe his stuff is made in the USA if he would just post a picture of his factory.
Yep, Rat Fuck Piece of shit China Fake's.

Feel bad for the legit Florida company, fucking Chinese are shitting out Fakes, that's what China does.
 

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