Yeah ... like the first 60 days was!
More likely that it's a ploy to get traffic to their website or any attention they can get. 
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Yeah ... like the first 60 days was!
More likely that it's a ploy to get traffic to their website or any attention they can get. 
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Yeah ... like the first 60 days was!
Just like a naughty neglected child... getting negative attention is better than NO attention.
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Just like a naughty neglected child... getting negative attention is better than NO attention.
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Just have to say I agree. The plot thickens and they do need a public shaming.
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Inexperienced is not something they are allowed to claim. They have been told a lot of people are finding this article to be misleading yet they refuse to take it down.
At this point we can safely say this article was completely designed to bolster the sales through shady tactics.
I have to disagree with you. Aspen Valley owns a business that sells their own private label of juices and they have a YouTube channel where they perform reviews.
Inexperienced is not something they are allowed to claim. They have been told a lot of people are finding this article to be misleading yet they refuse to take it down.
At this point we can safely say this article was completely designed to bolster the sales through shady tactics.
What I meant by "inexperienced" was that they aren't very good at marketing. I find most vape shops owners are pretty lacking when it comes to advertising and marketing and business savvy. Having been a senior marketing consultant for a large marketing firm in my heyday, I take note of things like this.
It doesn't bother me that they use such tactics. They don't work and they will piss people off but that's their problem. All I look for is the products I want at the price I want...shipped fast. They aren't the only company in history that used scare tactics and (even if false) to try to gain or retain customers.
They're scared because the competition is fierce in vape, profit margins aren't what they used to be, and they are scared shitless as to the future of their business and the future of vape. Oh well, such is life.
If you don't like what they do, don't buy from them. There are a plethora of other places to buy from.
It doesn't bother me that they use such tactics. They don't work and they will piss people off but that's their problem. All I look for is the products I want at the price I want...shipped fast. They aren't the only company in history that used scare tactics and (even if false) to try to gain or retain customers.
They're scared because the competition is fierce in vape, profit margins aren't what they used to be, and they are scared shitless as to the future of their business and the future of vape. Oh well, such is life.
If you don't like what they do, don't buy from them. There are a plethora of other places to buy from.
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I agree
And it would work for a lot of people due to all the other disinformation out there regarding vaping
It's also a myopic view of the industry. Spreading misinformation like they have may, and it's a big may, help them in the short term. However, it's feeding right into the narrative of BT and BP. In the long run it will hurt them as much as everyone else in the industry. They are small and they'll get run over as well.
As far as ignoring them, yes, that's an option. But as one wise man once said, Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own truth. When people publicly spread falsehoods, everyone has an obligation, whether they live up to it or not, to name it. Call a lie a lie, a liar a liar. Stop with the politically correct bullshit that has twisted and corrupted the perceptions of so many Americans. Not only do I have the obligation, I have the right to do so. So fuck them and their lies. As for those who don't agree, fine, but don't tell me what I should or should not do. There are enough idiots and assholes in the world trying to tell us how to live our lives, yet they can't run their own lives properly.
As far as ignoring them, yes, that's an option. But as one wise man once said, Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own truth. When people publicly spread falsehoods, everyone has an obligation, whether they live up to it or not, to name it. Call a lie a lie, a liar a liar. Stop with the politically correct bullshit that has twisted and corrupted the perceptions of so many Americans. Not only do I have the obligation, I have the right to do so. So fuck them and their lies. As for those who don't agree, fine, but don't tell me what I should or should not do. There are enough idiots and assholes in the world trying to tell us how to live our lives, yet they can't run their own lives properly.
Ah, very true, very true. But they did not lie. Because DIY juice making can, in fact, be dangerous for some people. Some people are not safe in the way that they do things (they are clumsy) and, for those people, handling concentrations of nicotine can be dangerous, even if only mildly.
Just as driving a car is more dangerous for some than for others.
Some people should not even vape. Take those stories you heard (if they are even true) about babies and toddlers getting nicotine poisoning because their parents left the e-liquid where the toddler could access it. In those cases, e-liquid alone is very dangerous.
So I could write an article about how eliquid is dangerous because toddlers can get hurt from it if they get a hold of it.
I would not be lying in the slightest. I just would only be telling part of the truth and leaving out the part that proper parenting and using your brain, when part of the equation, can mitigate that risk to a degree where it becomes a non-issue.
But I would not be lying. I would only be lying if I said in the article that there was nowhere you can hide your ejuice so that a toddler cannot access it or if I said ejuice, just being present in the house, can kill toddlers even if they don't touch it.
The site mentioned in this thread isn't harming the vaping industry. Government officials already know the risks of handling nicotine bases. The only people they are attempting to hurt are the DIY suppliers, whom they feel are their competitors (but they aren't because probably 85% of people who seek to buy pre-made nicotine are not interested and will never be interested in DIY - not even if ejuice were to be banned by the govt. This is why I called them inexperienced marketers).
Well let's call it naive then. Naive if they think negative advertising is a good thing in the long run. And naive - as in the only type of customers who would actually believe that kind of bullshit.
Ah, very true, very true. But they did not lie. Because DIY juice making can, in fact, be dangerous for some people. Some people are not safe in the way that they do things (they are clumsy) and, for those people, handling concentrations of nicotine can be dangerous, even if only mildly.
Just as driving a car is more dangerous for some than for others.
Some people should not even vape. Take those stories you heard (if they are even true) about babies and toddlers getting nicotine poisoning because their parents left the e-liquid where the toddler could access it. In those cases, e-liquid alone is very dangerous.
So I could write an article about how eliquid is dangerous because toddlers can get hurt from it if they get a hold of it.
I would not be lying in the slightest. I just would only be telling part of the truth and leaving out the part that proper parenting and using your brain, when part of the equation, can mitigate that risk to a degree where it becomes a non-issue.
But I would not be lying. I would only be lying if I said in the article that there was nowhere you can hide your ejuice so that a toddler cannot access it or if I said ejuice, just being present in the house, can kill toddlers even if they don't touch it.
The site mentioned in this thread isn't harming the vaping industry. Government officials already know the risks of handling nicotine bases. The only people they are attempting to hurt are the DIY suppliers, whom they feel are their competitors (but they aren't because probably 85% of people who seek to buy pre-made nicotine are not interested and will never be interested in DIY - not even if ejuice were to be banned by the govt. This is why I called them inexperienced marketers).
Well made points.
I'm not a lawyer, but in the US when sworn in to testify in a court, one swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. If you violate any of those, it's perjury. I'm sure there is a quite arcane definition of the word, but in the end, it's just lying. That being said, inexperience doesn't mitigate culpability, neither does ignorance. I don't believe the message was done in ignorance, it was a deliberate choice of words and maybe they had a lawyer who looked it over, maybe not. But it is a distortion, if not a direct lie. That distinction may make them innocent of lying in a court of law, but they're still assholes who shot themselves and the industry in the foot.
I'm fairly certain that most of us here have seen enough semantical games pulled off by jerks our whole lives who then hide behind words, hoping their actions will be ignored. I, for one, don't need apologists to try to correct my perception of what is clearly just a plain asshole of an act.
Right, but they aren't in court AND they aren't lying. They are just taking the negative aspects of DIY ejuice and dwelling on ONLY those aspects with the intent of scaring anyone thinking of getting into DIY to not get into it and to keep buying pre-made juice, preferably from them lol. This isn't lying, it is fear-mongering. Not illegal.
No liars here, just idiotic, inexperienced, scared marketers...a dime a dozen. They aren't comfortable in their own ability as business owners, so they use negative marketing tactics. It's an old, but common story among small business owners.
That fucking shit is STILL up on their site. Its just so insulting - I can't walk and chew gum at the same time either apparently - I am too stupid to follow a fucking recipe. Um duh I cook food and follow recipes and yes, even make up my own recipes. I do the same when mixing a cocktail. Why wouldn't I do the same with my eliquid? I have even operated a deep fryer, used a gas grill and even used sharp knives in my own home - far more dangerous than mixing eliquid. Condescending bullshit there.
The folks at Aspen Valley can claim all they want that the article was posted incorrectly and they are looking into it.
It's been up for months. Obviously they never had intentions of making this right and the claims of it being a mistake are a joke
At the end of the day they don't care about the DIY community because we aren't sending our money in their direction to begin with.
It's been up for months. Obviously they never had intentions of making this right and the claims of it being a mistake are a joke
At the end of the day they don't care about the DIY community because we aren't sending our money in their direction to begin with.
Someone is trolling that channel pretty hard too because of their juice article.
Normally I don't agree with trolling but I have to admit a few comments made me laugh.
Once it became aparent they had no interest in taking the article down I stopped viewing their channel. I wasn't sending them money because I DIY so the only way I can show my disapproval is by not giving them any views.
Thats incredible. The proof is in the pudding right there! I think AVV needs to get some aloe on that burn
@Aspenvalleyvapes there is 1 easy way to fix this.
Simply remove the damn article from your website & fire the person who posted it.Then publicly apologize on all your social media sites.
Doing anything else at this point is just digging your own grave.
As my grandfather used to say.
"If you ever find yourself in a hole...it's time to stop digging!"
Simply remove the damn article from your website & fire the person who posted it.Then publicly apologize on all your social media sites.
Doing anything else at this point is just digging your own grave.
As my grandfather used to say.
"If you ever find yourself in a hole...it's time to stop digging!"
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Heh... maybe it was the owner of the company who posted it, trying to get some revenue back from all the DIYers.
Now he's too ashamed to 'fess up. Andria
AVV, your youtube content is good. But the blog thing... its billy mays shit. You should stick to the shop. reviews from a shop owner, gotta be taken with a grain of salt IMHO.
"But why make e-juices when you can use companies like Aspen Valley Vapes to satisfy your vaping needs?"
"The simplest way to avoid buying fake e-juices is to buy all of your e-juices from sellers you trust. Companies like Aspen Valley Vapes take the time to obtain quality e-juices direct from vaping manufacturers so that everything you buy is authentic."
"We can’t forget one of the best online stores for e-liquids and vaping products: Aspen Valley Vapes!"
Meh !!!
occasionally there is some good information on the blog, but its hard to find in between the complete bullshit and advertisements for your site (ON YOUR SITE, seriously why are you advertising yourself on your own site... your already there).
"But why make e-juices when you can use companies like Aspen Valley Vapes to satisfy your vaping needs?"
"The simplest way to avoid buying fake e-juices is to buy all of your e-juices from sellers you trust. Companies like Aspen Valley Vapes take the time to obtain quality e-juices direct from vaping manufacturers so that everything you buy is authentic."
"We can’t forget one of the best online stores for e-liquids and vaping products: Aspen Valley Vapes!"
Meh !!!
occasionally there is some good information on the blog, but its hard to find in between the complete bullshit and advertisements for your site (ON YOUR SITE, seriously why are you advertising yourself on your own site... your already there).
Possibly.Heh... maybe it was the owner of the company who posted it, trying to get some revenue back from all the DIYers.
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I've been many things in my life, but a mind reader isn't 1 of those things.
Sure. but we are also allowed and even required in defense of DIY to call em out.
Lolol
That whole thing was sickening to read. Disgusting what some people will do to make a little money.
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