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have been smoking cigs for 40 yrs.trying so hard to quit.transitioned from chem smokes to organic american spirits years ago to wean off chems .then started buying untreated organic whole leaves from farming co-ops and process them myself .i am failing at quitting ,and people online are recommending vape but they say there is away to vaporize organic tobacco and not use chem liquids ...is there? i am extremely chem sensitive and want to quit smoking bad enough to risk another addiction like vaping if it means my lungs will be saved but i have tried e cigs at convenience store ,wasted 15$ ,and i cant taste anything ,i need something strong .i need tobacco taste only that is just like tobacco ,no sweet smells or anything ,just tobacco .is that possible ? and if so ,is it expensive? i pay maybe 50$ a year on filters and papers ,100$ on tobacco leaves ,and cannot afford that much less something more expensive ,and my goal is to be rid of the habit all together ,i just need help and cant/wont use the ineffective patches and gums . anyway ,grateful for any advice
 

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You'll never find an eliquid that tastes exactly like a cigarette.
a NET (naturally extracted tobacco) eliquid will be as close as you will get.
 

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However it IS possible to find a vape that is *similar* to the taste of the cigarettes you smoked -- but it may take a lot of trials, to find it. When I had my very first puff of MyFreedomSmokes' Virginia, I knew I had found the way to quit a 39 yr smoking habit.

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I gave up on trying to find a tobacco vape that I liked well enough to keep using one. I had a very tough time quitting smoking, because of that. I did venture into other flavors that helped me put down cigarettes, but that's not what you're interested in. There are a lot of fans here of "tobacco" vapes, but that burning tobacco taste is pretty tough to duplicate.

There are a lot of tobacco liquids that taste like an unsmoked cigarette smells, LOL.
 

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I gave up on trying to find a tobacco vape that I liked well enough to keep using one. I had a very tough time quitting smoking, because of that. I did venture into other flavors that helped me put down cigarettes, but that's not what you're interested in. There are a lot of fans here of "tobacco" vapes, but that burning tobacco taste is pretty tough to duplicate.

There are a lot of tobacco liquids that taste like an unsmoked cigarette smells, LOL.

It is difficult to *duplicate* it, because of the lack of the burning bitterness. However it *is* possible to come *close*, though you kinda have to adjust yourself to the taste of PG/VG vapor, a feat in its own right. Vapor is always going to be sweeter than smoke, because nothing is burning, but I really hate to see people discourage newbies and wannabe vapers, telling them that it's impossible -- it's not entirely impossible, though it's difficult; the Virginia flavor I found came very close to the bittersweet taste of Virginia Slims, and the addition of Tobacco Absolute, and Flash, can boost the similarity quite a bit -- tobacco absolute for the smoky, ashy sort of taste, and Flash for the throat hit -- I started using Flash, I think, in my 2nd month as a vaper, because I NEEDED more TH than I could get from the simple bottom-coil clearos I used then... I still use Flash, though I use it now primarily because 3mg of nicotine doesn't provide much TH, even with the great TH that an Achilles RDA provides. Another additive called "bitter wizard" can also help, since it helps to counteract the natural sweetness of PG/VG, and give some of the bitterness that smokers are accustomed to.

I urge the OP, don't give up, and don't believe that it's "impossible" -- it's not; but it might be challenging -- if you want it enough to keep looking and keep trying, that's half the battle right there.

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Nope, didn't say impossible, just can be trial and error. Without turning it into a DIY thread, which she's not looking for, I used to use Black Fire for the burning taste of a vape I mixed for someone else. He was happy with it.

@wannaquit, if you're not opposed to this idea, I could move this to the ejuice section where you would surely get some really great suggestions for a ready made liquid that might get you there.
 
You'll never find an eliquid that tastes exactly like a cigarette.
a NET (naturally extracted tobacco) eliquid will be as close as you will get.
ok ,thanks ,so its NET (naturally extracted tobacco) i am looking for then .i am hoping to go to one of these vape shops around here and need to know what to ask for ,lol .i just need off these cigs so bad
 

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I looked high and low to find a juice that would let me get off cigarettes, when I quit.
I was a 2 pack a day smoker and 2-4 cigars a week
I tried probably 20-30 juices at first, some good while other we're terrible!
I finally narrowed down to 2 that would let me quit, neither were close to identical but both were close enough to satisfy me.
Swaggar from pink spot
https://pinkspotvapors.com/gourmet-e-liquid-flavors/top-sellers/swagger-e-liquid-refill.html
and backwoods bear from vaping tiger
http://www.vapingtiger.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=0123_backwoods
were the only two that worked.
Both are rich thick full bodied tobacco flavors that did a good job filling the void for me.
NET juice didn't do anything for me though. Everyone is different; which is what makes vaping work. If one thing doesn't work for you, there is always a planB
 
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It is difficult to *duplicate* it, because of the lack of the burning bitterness. However it *is* possible to come *close*, though you kinda have to adjust yourself to the taste of PG/VG vapor, a feat in its own right. Vapor is always going to be sweeter than smoke, because nothing is burning, but I really hate to see people discourage newbies and wannabe vapers, telling them that it's impossible -- it's not entirely impossible, though it's difficult; the Virginia flavor I found came very close to the bittersweet taste of Virginia Slims, and the addition of Tobacco Absolute, and Flash, can boost the similarity quite a bit -- tobacco absolute for the smoky, ashy sort of taste, and Flash for the throat hit -- I started using Flash, I think, in my 2nd month as a vaper, because I NEEDED more TH than I could get from the simple bottom-coil clearos I used then... I still use Flash, though I use it now primarily because 3mg of nicotine doesn't provide much TH, even with the great TH that an Achilles RDA provides. Another additive called "bitter wizard" can also help, since it helps to counteract the natural sweetness of PG/VG, and give some of the bitterness that smokers are accustomed to.

I urge the OP, don't give up, and don't believe that it's "impossible" -- it's not; but it might be challenging -- if you want it enough to keep looking and keep trying, that's half the battle right there.

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ok ,thanks .i started off near half a century ago with marlboro ,,now i smoke a really thick strong organic burley leaf and i swear it just cant be strong enough for me .when we were kids ,even hospitals were full of indoor smokers.we had 2-5 adults smoking inside the home our entire childhood ,so ,addicted before i even tried smoking myself .lungs are hurting ,and i am just not getting through a whole day without one so far .as broke as i am ,i have to do something to get me through this and everyone online tells me this stuff helped them .just wanting to know what i would even ask for in a store.i guess around here some stores actually let you try stuff ,but i get confused between vaporizers and e cigs and whatever.some pot smoking people say they use a vaporizer to smoke their pot ,couldnt i do the same with tobacco or does it have to be liquid stuff ? i dont know if i am talking about the same device or what ?
 

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Right, those typically aren't up for discussion here, based on their intended use, but I do understand what you're saying, and it did cross my mind, too. I honestly know nothing about them, as to would that work for your intention. I don't see why not, but really don't know, myself.

People call ecigs all kinds of things, and some do call them vaporizers, too. Typical ecigs (mod, personal vaporizers, etc..) that we use, use separate tanks that hold liquid.
 
I looked high and low to find a juice that would let me get off cigarettes, when I quit.
I was a 2 pack a day smoker and 2-4 cigars a week
I tried probably 20-30 juices at first, some good while other we're terrible!
I finally narrowed down to 2 that would let me quit, neither were close to identical but both were close enough to satisfy me.
Swaggar from pink spot and backwoods bear from vaping tiger were the only two that worked.
Both are rich thick full bodied tobacco flavors that did a good job filling the void for me.
ok thank you ,i will copy these down so when i go to that shop i can ask them .hoping i dont have to buy a bunch of stuff then have it be something i cant use .i have 3 pounds still of natural organic whole leaves as i was buying 10 pounds at a time for the year .so dont really know if i need something to actually vaporize that as they say it wont hurt my lungs if it doesnt combust? or if i need to rely on whatever it is that burn the juice stuff so i can put these cigarettes down for good .if i can burn the tobacco without burning it and it wont hurt me ,plus reduce my need that would work so i could wean off ,but if i have to go with liquid i will .i am just retarded when it comes to this whole concept .so the 2 flavors you said worked for you ,do they have high nicotene content ?
 
Right, those typically aren't up for discussion here, based on their intended use, but I do understand what you're saying, and it did cross my mind, too. I honestly know nothing about them, as to would that work for your intention. I don't see why not, but really don't know, myself.

People call ecigs all kinds of things, and some do call them vaporizers, too. Typical ecigs (mod, personal vaporizers, etc..) that we use, use separate tanks that hold liquid.
ok ,thanks for clearing that up ,.its the liquid smoking things you guys are talking about then .wish they had more specifically different names ,lol
 

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ok thank you ,i will copy these down so when i go to that shop i can ask them .hoping i dont have to buy a bunch of stuff then have it be something i cant use .i have 3 pounds still of natural organic whole leaves as i was buying 10 pounds at a time for the year .so dont really know if i need something to actually vaporize that as they say it wont hurt my lungs if it doesnt combust? or if i need to rely on whatever it is that burn the juice stuff so i can put these cigarettes down for good .if i can burn the tobacco without burning it and it wont hurt me ,plus reduce my need that would work so i could wean off ,but if i have to go with liquid i will .i am just retarded when it comes to this whole concept .so the 2 flavors you said worked for you ,do they have high nicotene content ?
What I used was purely liquid. The natural tobacco stuff didn't work for me. The NET juices burned up my coils so fast that it became a fruitless venture.
These liquids both burned cleaner(what I vape now is much cleaner burning).
The nic content is going to depend on a few things.
-How much you smoked
- what gear you are using

As a 2 pack a day smoker using a 1.8 ohm coil at 12w at the time, I was vaping around 18mg nic juice at first.
Now, using a 0.1-0.2 ohm coil at around 70-90w I'm vaping 3 my nic.
More vapor production, means more vapor hence more nic coming in at once therefore I need lower nic juice. But I burn through 15-20ml of juice a day.
At times I go back to vaping 1ohm at 20 watts and use 6mg nic.
Those juices i mentioned are available in higher nic content


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pk ,thanks for clearing that up ,.its the liquid smoking things you guys are talking about then .wish they had more specifically different names ,lol
Oh there's a ton of different ones, lots of manufacturers. All kinds of really weird names, LOL. Some are sticks, others more boxy looking, some small, others HUGE! Me, I like the feel of a smaller boxy type. Typically they're the size of a pack of smokes, or smaller. Tanks come in different sizes, too. Some have premade coils that you can swap out, while others you build your own coils. There are many avenues when it comes to vaping. No way is the wrong way, it's tailor made to suit the individual's needs. Initial start up might be a little bit, but in the long run, it's save me a lot of money vs buying cartons of smokes every week.
 

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ok ,thanks .i started off near half a century ago with marlboro ,,now i smoke a really thick strong organic burley leaf and i swear it just cant be strong enough for me .when we were kids ,even hospitals were full of indoor smokers.we had 2-5 adults smoking inside the home our entire childhood ,so ,addicted before i even tried smoking myself .lungs are hurting ,and i am just not getting through a whole day without one so far .as broke as i am ,i have to do something to get me through this and everyone online tells me this stuff helped them .just wanting to know what i would even ask for in a store.i guess around here some stores actually let you try stuff ,but i get confused between vaporizers and e cigs and whatever.some pot smoking people say they use a vaporizer to smoke their pot ,couldnt i do the same with tobacco or does it have to be liquid stuff ? i dont know if i am talking about the same device or what ?

Yes actually you *could* (sorta) vape actual tobacco; the technology is usually called "heat not burn", and it's somewhat safer than actually smoking tobacco; perhaps it could act as a bridge, to make the switch to vaping in a way that's more similar to smoking, but letting you get used to a "technological" answer to the "I wanna smoke" craving. I daresay you could use the same hardware as those being used for "that other stuff" that we can't talk about here on the forum, so if you have access to some kind of (old term) "head shop", they might be able to assist with that. If you think that might interest you, I'd highly recommend getting a quality tobacco such as those intended for pipes; none of the added junk that's in cigarettes.

But for the most gain in safety, you'd be better off with actual vaping -- none of the toxic and/or addictive chemicals that exist naturally in tobacco, except nicotine, which lets you gradually taper it down far more easily than you could ever do with actual tobacco. And it really does work; I smoked for 39 yrs, hopelessly addicted, and vaping is the first and only thing that's EVER worked for me to not just quit, but STAY quit -- that's the hard part! My doctor is totally on board with it, because of how it helps a hardcore smoker STAY quit. I did have a brief (1 month) relapse to "dual use" (smoking and vaping) after I'd been smoke free for nearly 4 months, but it had everything to do with an emergency appendectomy and later horrible recuperation, than with any real desire to smoke -- and vaping allowed me to quit cigarettes AGAIN, though granted, it was a bit harder the 2nd time.

A NET might provide what you're looking for, since you know the varietal that you were smoking, but they can be a bit pricey. Maybe look around, google is your friend! and you might be able to find something that perhaps isn't an actual NET, so might cost less, but provide a flavor that suits you. But like Huck said, the flavor is rather more like the fragrance of the tobacco itself, rather than the taste of burning it. I was able to go with that, because I used to run those VA Slims back and forth under my nose for 5-10 mins before I lit them, I loved that scent so much. :D

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I smoked 16 - 17 cigarettes (Marlboro red) per day on average for more than 20 years. A little over 5 months ago I walked into a vape shop and I never smoked again excepting one cigarette, which was on my third day (when I thought my mod was broken, but then almost immediately found out afterwards that it wasn't).

I started out with an RDA that had a custom made fused clapton dual coil build in it, that ohmed out at .3 ohms, and was vaping it at 80 watts. The only real difficulty was learning how to wick properly, and also my own personal observation that 6mg/ml nicotine is too strong whereas 3mg/ml is too weak for vaping on an RDA if you've just come off cigarettes so every time I had to re-drip I was dripping the 6mg first, then adding just a few drops of 0mg straight on top of that... just enough to get rid of all the burning harshness. The only juices with tobacco flavoring in them that I have vaped are Charlie Noble Pistachio RY4 and Beard Vape Co. NO. 00 (Sweet Tobaccocino). I just learned to accept from the start that vaping is not smoking so there is no way to get good flavor in vaping without also sacrificing real tobacco flavor. Instead, I was (and am) convinced that the fairly high density and quantity of the vape that I got from these decent quality custom made coils on this RDA, in conjunction with being able to chain vape like a madman, are critical success factors to quit smoking. Almost everyone I know who has tried to quit smoking by using a relatively cheap, fairly low or low-medium powered device such as an Eleaf iStick Pico equipped with something like an Aspire Cleito 120, for example, has completely abandoned vaping after some months and is now back to smoking cigarettes. Me, I own 10 mods and 14 RDAs right now.
 
ok ,thanks everyone ,going to have to learn all the new lingo i guess ,lol.going to make my way to a vape shop this week and see what i can find.thanks so much for your input
 

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ok ,thanks everyone ,going to have to learn all the new lingo i guess ,lol.going to make my way to a vape shop this week and see what i can find.thanks so much for your input
Most of them will allow you to sample flavors, so that'll help.
 

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If you want to try your hand at mixing there are a couple flavors that I would suggest if you are interested.
 

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Here is a link to a VU member who makes NETS at a very reasonable cost.

Have several bottles from him and it is great stuff at very low cost compared to most premixed juices

Contact Vash and tell him what you are currently smoking - he may be able to help you out

Vash of EtherVapes Premium E liquids $13 for 50ml
 

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I would add that this takes effort. Continuing to smoke takes no effort, really. It's our default mode, something we can easily revert to if needed, or wanted. There is a learning curve to all of this and it takes persistence and determination. The curve can be steep and that depends on what you decide to do, such as DIY and coil building. However, it's a relatively short curve in order to reach where you need to be to not revert to cigarettes. Almost all of us here will attest that it's worth the time and effort. Just do not give up when it gets frustrating.
 

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I would add that this takes effort. Continuing to smoke takes no effort, really. It's our default mode, something we can easily revert to if needed, or wanted. There is a learning curve to all of this and it takes persistence and determination. The curve can be steep and that depends on what you decide to do, such as DIY and coil building. However, it's a relatively short curve in order to reach where you need to be to not revert to cigarettes. Almost all of us here will attest that it's worth the time and effort. Just do not give up when it gets frustrating.

This exactly. Smoking is easy -- and so is getting some godawful disease from it. If you'd rather skip the godawful diseases -- or at least, lessen your chances, stop adding to the cumulative risk -- then some effort is necessary, and WORTH IT.

Most things that are worthwhile do require some effort.

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A NET might provide what you're looking for, since you know the varietal that you were smoking, but they can be a bit pricey. Maybe look around, google is your friend! and you might be able to find something that perhaps isn't an actual NET, so might cost less, but provide a flavor that suits you. :D

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I have close to 50 bottles of River Bottom Fog Sauce (about 8 different flavors) that I scooped up when they were going out of business but the nic is now WAY out of my range (16 and 20 mg/ml)
I should list it in the classifieds .
I've been meaning to but just became too lazy:(
 

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I have close to 50 bottles of River Bottom Fog Sauce (about 8 different flavors) that I scooped up when they were going out of business but the nic is now WAY out of my range (16 and 20 mg/ml)
I should list it in the classifieds .
I've been meaning to but just became too lazy:(

Yep, the classifieds here are awesome -- I was able to score an SX Mini M class for $37! I loved those the very first time I saw them, but that $199 or more retail price... yow. WAYY out of my reach. So by waiting on someone's Mini M to start peeling its paint... I got it dirt cheap! :giggle: I got an authentic Kayfun Lite Plus for an amazing price, too!

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WTAs will help curb stomp that craving also.
If you want it out of your juice another suggestion if you just need that quick WTA fix is snuff.
 

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WTAs will help curb stomp that craving also.
If you want it out of your juice another suggestion if you just need that quick WTA fix is snuff.

WTA is amazing stuff, BUT you need to be actually smoke-free for at least a week, 10 days, to really see any benefit from it -- it won't provide the motivation or will to lay the coffin nails down, it just smoothes the bumpy ride a bit after you already have. Took my cravings completely away, but it was almost as hard weaning off WTA, as quitting smoking cold-turkey -- the only benefit is that it's easier to titrate than actual cigarettes, and thus do a progressive step-down over a long period of time, which is pretty much impossible with cigarettes.

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