So about a week ago i bought a Manhattan Copper from a friend of mine, he told me when i bought it that the battery and coils were pretty old and that they probably have to be replaced. Since then i have watched videos of the clouds it is supposed to produce and havent been able to get anywhere near that. Granted i have not yet replaced the coils or battery so that could be the issue. Fyi im completely new to the mod world and have no idea really what im doing. And advise on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
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Copper manhattan not performing right.
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Oh boy...
Let's start at the beginning with a few questions...
Do you have an ohm meter?
What battery did it come with?
Do you have a charger, and is the battery charged?
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Let's start at the beginning with a few questions...
Do you have an ohm meter?
What battery did it come with?
Do you have a charger, and is the battery charged?
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No ohm meter, all the battery says is IMR 18650 2100mAh 3.7V, and yes i have a charger and have charged it.
Ok... until you have access to an ohm meter, I suggest you put the mod on a shelf...
What color is the battery wrap?
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What color is the battery wrap?
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It sounds as though the battery might be a Sony VTC4... that's a good cell if it hasn't been abused.
Most shops can check your resistance for you, yes. Buy they cannot build for you or install coils.
Until you've acquired an ohm reader, an understanding of ohms law, and some basic building skills... a mech is just not the best thing to start with...
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Most shops can check your resistance for you, yes. Buy they cannot build for you or install coils.
Until you've acquired an ohm reader, an understanding of ohms law, and some basic building skills... a mech is just not the best thing to start with...
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Get a regulated mod, an ohm reader and study your ohms law. Use that regulated mod to vape with until you have a good understanding of ohms law and can build some nice coils, also picking up a coil master or similar kit will be of good help to you when you're starting, I've been building coils for over a year and I still use mine. Once you understand ohms law and can build good coils get that Manhattan out and start using it. Also there's plenty of info on this forum, just take a look at the sticky topics and do some research.
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There is a learning curve past changing cotton when it comes to building.
But first, are you using prebuilt coils for a subtank or building?
In either case, having an ohm meter and a working understanding of ohms law is essential when using a mechanical mod.
Until you do, stick with a regulated mod. Nowadays with good 200-300w mods being under 50$, they are easy to get and maintain for safety sake; without sacrificing the vape experience.
But first, are you using prebuilt coils for a subtank or building?
In either case, having an ohm meter and a working understanding of ohms law is essential when using a mechanical mod.
Until you do, stick with a regulated mod. Nowadays with good 200-300w mods being under 50$, they are easy to get and maintain for safety sake; without sacrificing the vape experience.
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For now, either put the mech away, or even sell it to replace it with a good regulated mod.
No one without an understanding of Ohms law, let alone how to change the wick on a coil should be using a mechanical mod. A regulated mod suits the majority of vapers much better than a mech, and are pretty much idiot proof barring things like batteries and using it in the bath.
Not a dig at you OP by any means, but just use a regulated mod for a good while.
No one without an understanding of Ohms law, let alone how to change the wick on a coil should be using a mechanical mod. A regulated mod suits the majority of vapers much better than a mech, and are pretty much idiot proof barring things like batteries and using it in the bath.
Not a dig at you OP by any means, but just use a regulated mod for a good while.
I fail to realize how using a regulated mod will somehow build you up to use a mech. After 20 years of using a regulated mod you'll still be just as retarded in regards to how to use a mech.
So just learn to use it and use it.
First thing you need to do is get an ohm meter, they're cheap and most places that sell vape shit should carry them, if they don't scratch that place from the list because they suck.
After that you need to figure out what batteries you have and if possible just get some new ones, I get mine from liionwholesale.com but there are a few other places like it. Make sure you get high drain batteries, I recommend Sony vtc5a as imo they're the best.
Now that you have that out of the way you can learn to build or buy pre-made coils, if you're using them sonys I recommend working with a .2 resistance, imo vape will kind of suck but if I recommend any less the resistance nazi idiots will crawl out from beneath the shit holes where they live and thirst for my blood.
Now that your shit is set up and vapes safely, learn to use it. Learn to take a few rips and put it down when it gets too warm you will learn to gauge how warm is too warm and will learn to gauge when to change cells after vape has gotten too weak.
Only way to learn to use it is to use it and enjoy it. Cheers.
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So just learn to use it and use it.
First thing you need to do is get an ohm meter, they're cheap and most places that sell vape shit should carry them, if they don't scratch that place from the list because they suck.
After that you need to figure out what batteries you have and if possible just get some new ones, I get mine from liionwholesale.com but there are a few other places like it. Make sure you get high drain batteries, I recommend Sony vtc5a as imo they're the best.
Now that you have that out of the way you can learn to build or buy pre-made coils, if you're using them sonys I recommend working with a .2 resistance, imo vape will kind of suck but if I recommend any less the resistance nazi idiots will crawl out from beneath the shit holes where they live and thirst for my blood.
Now that your shit is set up and vapes safely, learn to use it. Learn to take a few rips and put it down when it gets too warm you will learn to gauge how warm is too warm and will learn to gauge when to change cells after vape has gotten too weak.
Only way to learn to use it is to use it and enjoy it. Cheers.
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The seller TOLD you the battery may not be good..... Assume it's bad and replace it.
Describe the build you are using?
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Describe the build you are using?
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Ah yes. Safely. You just told someone with zero knowledge to vape at .2 ohms. So this dude will go out and buy two .2 ohm coils to stick in the atty, and be vaping at .1 ohm.
Clouds brah! You can learn that stupid safety shit later!
He would probably get a better vape out of it than a .2...Ah yes. Safely. You just told someone with zero knowledge to vape at .2 ohms. So this dude will go out and buy two .2 ohm coils to stick in the atty, and be vaping at .1 ohm.
Clouds brah! You can learn that stupid safety shit later!
I knew you lurking resistance nazis wouldn't let it slide, at least I tried lol
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Well im p sure the battery is shit so im definitely going to get a couple of new ones, and the rda i have is a darkhorse by steam angel
On a freshly charged battery (4.2 Volts), you're going to be pulling 35 Amps off of that cell. There are currently NO batteries on the market rated for that.
Where it might be possible to use the devulice with the new battery and current build, it would nit be considered safe. It's Russian Roulette. It's putting a pipe bomb next to your face and pressing the button with the hope that nothing bad will happen.
Someone else will undoubtedly chime in something about pulse rate and voltage drop and call me a sissy for playing it safe.
Yes. I am playing it safe. I prefer my face and hands in their current configurations.
I had decided after my first several cautionary posts to just walk away, but when I see something like this and think of the bad press that the vaping community will endure when yet another person blows a mod up in their face, I have to say something.
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Where it might be possible to use the devulice with the new battery and current build, it would nit be considered safe. It's Russian Roulette. It's putting a pipe bomb next to your face and pressing the button with the hope that nothing bad will happen.
Someone else will undoubtedly chime in something about pulse rate and voltage drop and call me a sissy for playing it safe.
Yes. I am playing it safe. I prefer my face and hands in their current configurations.
I had decided after my first several cautionary posts to just walk away, but when I see something like this and think of the bad press that the vaping community will endure when yet another person blows a mod up in their face, I have to say something.
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The battery says 3.7 V on it if that changes anything. And so would it be smart to instead use only one coil?
3.7 volts is the nominal voltage on most liion batteries. They start at 4.2 and discharge to around 3...
Using a single coil would double your resistance, and halve the current (amp) draw. IF it's a decent 20 amp battery, you'd be much safer. IF it's a 10 amp cell, you're still on dangerous ground.
When safely using a mech mod, it's vital to be aware of your mod, your atty, your coil, and your battery... describe your battery, please...
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Using a single coil would double your resistance, and halve the current (amp) draw. IF it's a decent 20 amp battery, you'd be much safer. IF it's a 10 amp cell, you're still on dangerous ground.
When safely using a mech mod, it's vital to be aware of your mod, your atty, your coil, and your battery... describe your battery, please...
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That's a 15-20 amp battery. IF authentic.
That is likely an LG HG2. It is an 18 to 20 amp. You're on the edge, but should be safe with a single coil...
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I would HIGHLY recommend acquiring an LG HB2, 4, or 6, or Sony VTC5a going forward.
That, and an ohm meter... must have an ohm meter...
Get an ohms law calculator on your phone, or bookmark Steam-Engine.org... or both...
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That, and an ohm meter... must have an ohm meter...
Get an ohms law calculator on your phone, or bookmark Steam-Engine.org... or both...
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A dual parallel box or high powered regulated box will handle them... just not a mech...
Don't take my word for it... google Mooch battery... he's an electrical wizard and test most all the available batteties and posts the results of his tests...
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Fuck me another one who has no fucking idea what Ohms law is, no idea about even the basics of battery safety and I doubt has experience even building a basic coil.
This is what you need to know before touching a Mech.
1.Ohm's law, http://www.steam-engine.org/ makes it easy and there's even an app on it for Android
2.Batteries, fucking batteries, take good care of your batteries and know them!!!!!!!
a.Avoid shit batteries like eFest who rewrap rejects with grossly inflated amp ratings. Stick with authentic LG, Sony or Samsung from reputable (not eBay or Amazon) sources, great places that I get authentics from are -
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/
b.Stick well within Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) Not the "pulse"
c.Keep up to date with what Mooch tests and battery ratings, follow his posts on Facebook and his Blog and only use his recommend batteries.
d.In Mod's with multiple batteries, marry them.
e.Get some battery wraps, they're cheap and easy to re-wrap batteries. Any nicks,tears or what ever don't be stupid and just re-wrap.
3.Don't build stupid low a good builder can chuck and get awesome dense vape from a good build. It's simple, with 20 CDR Amp batteries -
a.Single battery mod's you're fine with .2 ohms on up
b.Dual Parallel you're fine with .15 on up. Parallel you take the full CDR of one battery then add 1/2 the CDR of the next battery
c.Series you double the voltage but you share the amps . So a series you build high with a lot of wire mass no lower that .4 ohms.
4.Make sure you don't have any shorts. For an extra caution any new build I will vape on a regulated mod for a few drips or with a tank about a 1/4 tank. This is to insure nothing wonky with my build like shorts.
5.Careful if it's not in your hand, if it doesn't have a lock on the button and you put it in your pocket (which I really don't recommend) insure nothing else is in your pocket and it's loose. Don't want to put it in your front pocket and blow your dick off ya know
6.Last but certainly NOT the least, keep it clean! Clean it when you first get it "before" you even use it and clean it on a regular basis.
a.Ultrasonics are a very good investment, got mine off Amazon for around $25.
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This is what you need to know before touching a Mech.
1.Ohm's law, http://www.steam-engine.org/ makes it easy and there's even an app on it for Android
2.Batteries, fucking batteries, take good care of your batteries and know them!!!!!!!
a.Avoid shit batteries like eFest who rewrap rejects with grossly inflated amp ratings. Stick with authentic LG, Sony or Samsung from reputable (not eBay or Amazon) sources, great places that I get authentics from are -
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/
b.Stick well within Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) Not the "pulse"
c.Keep up to date with what Mooch tests and battery ratings, follow his posts on Facebook and his Blog and only use his recommend batteries.
d.In Mod's with multiple batteries, marry them.
e.Get some battery wraps, they're cheap and easy to re-wrap batteries. Any nicks,tears or what ever don't be stupid and just re-wrap.
3.Don't build stupid low a good builder can chuck and get awesome dense vape from a good build. It's simple, with 20 CDR Amp batteries -
a.Single battery mod's you're fine with .2 ohms on up
b.Dual Parallel you're fine with .15 on up. Parallel you take the full CDR of one battery then add 1/2 the CDR of the next battery
c.Series you double the voltage but you share the amps . So a series you build high with a lot of wire mass no lower that .4 ohms.
4.Make sure you don't have any shorts. For an extra caution any new build I will vape on a regulated mod for a few drips or with a tank about a 1/4 tank. This is to insure nothing wonky with my build like shorts.
5.Careful if it's not in your hand, if it doesn't have a lock on the button and you put it in your pocket (which I really don't recommend) insure nothing else is in your pocket and it's loose. Don't want to put it in your front pocket and blow your dick off ya know
6.Last but certainly NOT the least, keep it clean! Clean it when you first get it "before" you even use it and clean it on a regular basis.
a.Ultrasonics are a very good investment, got mine off Amazon for around $25.
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That was actually very kind of the shop owner to give you a decent battery completely free! That sounds like a good shop, it is a LG HG2 which isn't the best out there for mechs, but it is still a safe battery as long as you follow a few things.
As you are going to use the mod anyway, I can only advise you some things to stay safe. Read up on ohms law, there are many calculators such as at http://www.steam-engine.org/ohm.asp .
You really, really need something to measure the resistance of your build. If something becomes loose, the resistance will change, and there is always the chance of shorts. If for some reason your mod won't fire, don't carry on trying to use it. Find out why it isn't firing, fix it, then use it. Continuing to try to fire it in a short situation could lead to the battery venting.
0.12 is far too low for a single tube mech, especially with a LG HG2. Taking one coil out to raise the resistance will put you at around 0.24, which is within your batteries amp rating.
Regularly inspect your batteries, make sure there is no rips or tears in the wrapper. If there is, do not use it until you have rewrapped it. If you do use it, best case scenario is the mod autofires and will not stop. Worst case is a hard short, and a big bang, taking whatever is near it with it.
I do NOT mean to seem like I am demonizing mech mods, I currently have one next to me as I am using it at the moment. As long as you follow the basics, you will be fine, but please make sure you do know the basics.
It isn't like your mod is suddenly going to turn evil when it finds out you don't know Ohms law lol, but it is best to know it so you can grasp what is going on. Please get a meter too.
Also, enjoy your mod. I do think it is likely a regulated mod would be better for you, but the shop owner had given you a battery to use, and also helped you with a build so it seems they are sure you was going to use the mod, and I do realise cost is an issue. As it is the only mod you have, just do a little bit of reading, and it will treat you well.
As you are going to use the mod anyway, I can only advise you some things to stay safe. Read up on ohms law, there are many calculators such as at http://www.steam-engine.org/ohm.asp .
You really, really need something to measure the resistance of your build. If something becomes loose, the resistance will change, and there is always the chance of shorts. If for some reason your mod won't fire, don't carry on trying to use it. Find out why it isn't firing, fix it, then use it. Continuing to try to fire it in a short situation could lead to the battery venting.
0.12 is far too low for a single tube mech, especially with a LG HG2. Taking one coil out to raise the resistance will put you at around 0.24, which is within your batteries amp rating.
Regularly inspect your batteries, make sure there is no rips or tears in the wrapper. If there is, do not use it until you have rewrapped it. If you do use it, best case scenario is the mod autofires and will not stop. Worst case is a hard short, and a big bang, taking whatever is near it with it.
I do NOT mean to seem like I am demonizing mech mods, I currently have one next to me as I am using it at the moment. As long as you follow the basics, you will be fine, but please make sure you do know the basics.
It isn't like your mod is suddenly going to turn evil when it finds out you don't know Ohms law lol, but it is best to know it so you can grasp what is going on. Please get a meter too.
Also, enjoy your mod
. I do think it is likely a regulated mod would be better for you, but the shop owner had given you a battery to use, and also helped you with a build so it seems they are sure you was going to use the mod, and I do realise cost is an issue. As it is the only mod you have, just do a little bit of reading, and it will treat you well.
Check out IMR. They are completely honest with amperage and mah,no clones or fakes, the best price I have found.
There is an app called VAPE TOOL, it's free. It will tell you not only the ohms of the build you have in mind, it will also give you the amperage. A brownie,they call it,ous really only 18 amp battery. You do not go over your battery rating and a mech is perfectly safe with a good wrap and insulator, the white washer on the positive end.
There's also a guy on YouTube that has the equipment to test batteries. He goes by the name "mooch". He's the guy when it comes to 18650 batteries true amperage and mah. Hope some of this helps!