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GorGon27

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I had a few sets of 30Q,3000 MAH. They were very old. One finally vented in another mod so I tossed them all. They were already getting finicky. I just got a case of brand new 25R's. Got a deal. I fully charged all of them. I cannot get them to work at all in 2 Reuleaux, 3 Triade DNA200, 2 Triade DNA200. I checked them with a Multimeter. 4.22V. They work in an AL85 a SnowWolf and a SX Mini G class. Why the heck are they not working in the DNA mods? Is it because the discharge curve was set to 3000MAH cells? I doubt it is that. They fit very tight but will not power on any of the DNA mods. I know all the mods are working because they worked with the 30Q until I threw them away. I also cannot get them to power on with VTC5's. Do these 20 Amp batteries have a shorter button or something? I doubt that is it either how tight the new ones fit. Sometimes if I hold the fire button or turn the top battery they will light up the display for a moment with no battery bar. This has to be a contact issue then but I cannot figure it out. What can possibly be wrong? Help!

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At a Vape shop. They are Legit. The VTC5's I got along time ago do not work either. I will get some pics. He just gave me a deal because he feels everyone wants the 3000MAH. So for a case he got rid of them. to me 2500X3 Vs. 3000X3 does not matter much. Plus in the 250 you really should have 20 amp batteries IMO.
 
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The positive button on my authentic 25R's is a bit below the wrap/insulator on the top. whereas on my other HG2's and such it is slightly above.
This is likely your trouble.

If the positive end fits on a flat surface instead of a button....
 
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Not too good with a camera.
 

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Oh man. any fix? You can see it already ripped the wrapper. those 3x18650 DNA's fit very tight.
 
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There is no ring on the 250. It has polarity protection. Well I guess I got screwed on what I thought was a good deal. Dammit to hell.
 
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GorGon27 said:
There is no ring on the 250. It has polarity protection. Well I guess I got screwed on what I thought was a good deal. Dammit to hell.
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He's talking about that white insulator ring under the battery wrap at the top positive post of the battery. If the positive contact of the mod is not making contact due to the positive post of the battery is below the wrap and insulator ring in orientation, and the positive contact of the mod is like a flat washer on a spring, the two could potentially not make contact. In that instance I'd look at the LG HE2/HE4 both 20amp CDR 2500mah like the 25R and quite reliable, after that, especially for a DNA250, the better battery would be the Sony VTC5A (2500mah @ 25amp CDR). Also in a regulated mod like a DNA, Ohms only come into effect to determine voltage needed for set watts and the mod safety checking the Ohms are in its operating range (Example 0.1 to 3.0ohms).

Watts Set/Lowest Battery Voltage/98%=Max Amps (the 98% is the Efficiency generally of a DNA board, lowest voltage is generally 3.2v per battery, in a series multibattery that is 3.2v X Number of batteries)

250 Watts/9.6/98%=26.5731amps needed which would push the VTC5A a bit, but if pulled at 25% to 15% battery charge left you would still be in the safety zone of CDR
 
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GorGon27 said:
Oh man. any fix? You can see it already ripped the wrapper. those 3x18650 DNA's fit very tight.
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You need to replace the wrapper on that one on the left; the pic is very blurry but it appears to be showing metal thru the tear, which means even if it worked, DON'T USE IT TILL IT'S RE-WRAPPED!

battwrap.com

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No kidding, Andria. This guy dumped batteries he did not want on me. I still got a good deal. Lot's of other mods I can use them in. In a bit I will go to a guy I know who will take care of me with the right thing. He may be a snob because he only sells DNA devices but I see that as a good thing. He mostly specializes in lost vape and USA custom boxes. So he will know what batteries I need. The only issue is I will pay like $8 each but that is okay. The VTC5 does not work. Do not know about the VTC5"A".
 
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GorGon27 said:
No kidding, Andria. This guy dumped batteries he did not want on me. I still got a good deal. Lot's of other mods I can use them in. In a bit I will go to a guy I know who will take care of me with the right thing. He may be a snob because he only sells DNA devices but I see that as a good thing. He mostly specializes in lost vape and USA custom boxes. So he will know what batteries I need. The only issue is I will pay like $8 each but that is okay. The VTC5 does not work. Do not know about the VTC5"A".
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Check out https://liionwholesale.com/ -- they have completely legit batteries at wholesale prices; you can't go wrong with them. I do sometimes buy from illumn.com, but liionwholesale is my favorite -- and both will throw in a battery box with every pair sold.

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Thanks. However I went to my guy and it appears I have 9 DNA250 mods that have mysteriously died with no batteries in them. They were all working when I took the batteries out. The batteries were at the end of their life. So I have no idea. I decided I am going to stick with custom made Lipo boxes. It is a far more advanced battery than LI-Ion. I just rotate them. Some are charging and I am using One or Two. Of course this is big bucks but I am tired of LI_Iion. Too much headache. Other people don't like Lipo because they only have one box at those prices. It seems Almost every custom 250 box is Lipo now. That might say something. The thing is a lot of these have custom batteries up to 12,000 MAH. They just take 10-14 hours to charge. I find like 3000MAH is a better compromise. Also they are not the same. 3000MAH of Lipo is like 5000MAH of LI-Ion. I am just personally tired of LI-Ion. That is just me though. BTW, the batteries are indeed real and they do in fact work. It must have been pulling out those bad batteries killed everything. I have no clue.
 
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GorGon27 said:
Thanks. However I went to my guy and it appears I have 9 DNA250 mods that have mysteriously died with no batteries in them. They were all working when I took the batteries out. The batteries were at the end of their life. So I have no idea. I decided I am going to stick with custom made Lipo boxes. It is a far more advanced battery than LI-Ion. I just rotate them. Some are charging and I am using One or Two. Of course this is big bucks but I am tired of LI_Iion. Too much headache. Other people don't like Lipo because they only have one box at those prices. It seems Almost every custom 250 box is Lipo now. That might say something. The thing is a lot of these have custom batteries up to 12,000 MAH. They just take 10-14 hours to charge. I find like 3000MAH is a better compromise. Also they are not the same. 3000MAH of Lipo is like 5000MAH of LI-Ion. I am just personally tired of LI-Ion. That is just me though. BTW, the batteries are indeed real and they do in fact work. It must have been pulling out those bad batteries killed everything. I have no clue.
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No way have 9 DNA mods failed at the same time with no batteries in them- bad luck can happen, but 9?


You definitely didn't short the positive to the negative on any of the DNA200's did you? I would be very skeptical if 'my guy' told me this. EDIT- seeing as they are DNA250's, this doesn't count- something is wrong here. Did he sell you the batteries by any chance?

As for Li-Po being far more advanced than Li-ion, that is not really true. Both are a type of Lithium Ion cell/battery, just in a different housing.
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Can you post a screenshot of device monitor?
 
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conanthewarrior said:
No way have 9 DNA mods failed at the same time with no batteries in them- bad luck can happen, but 9?
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But he admitted to having at least one of the old batteries vent in one device so I'm not going to second guess what those batteries and the DNA boards have been through.
 
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One seems dead. The others light up dim with no battery bar or say waranty service. I figured I used batteries past their lifespan and I have paid for it dearly. The ripped battery is just something the Triades do. I know it is bad. I went to 18650 mods from Lipo's because because you have non stop vaping. Just swap them out. However my custom Lipo boxes are much nicer than LV or Wisemec to begin with. IMO. I have enough of them that by the time one is dead others are fully charged. I find that removable battery mods for me at least are a can of worms. So to speak. Ripped wrappers. shorts, no contact, worn contacts. I thought it was going to be better but my experience was bad. I know many people do fine with them. Plus as I said the custom mods are much nicer anyways. No paint peeling off Etc. It is of interest that nearly ever custom DNA 200/250 mod uses a Lipo. With removeables there is too much margin for user error. Not to mention I have 10 Thumbs. I am not an idiot but I am an elderly sick man and it is just going to cause me more headaches. I have no doubt a guy that is healthy and say up to 60 years old has no issue withthem. It is my fault but it does suck. Even before I used bad batteries I had nothing but problems. For me it is very difficult to even insert the batteries. Lipo's are not a problem if you have at least a few. Or will wait to vape as one charges. It is entirely my fault I killed all those but there are some circumstances. I have ben vaping since it's inception so it is not newbie mistakes. It is my age and health. For instance I find it very difficult to put the batteries in a Triade due to how tight they fit. To another person it would not be a problem. So that's that. Back to Lipo's for me. This problem is solved Lol. Although I just lost a couple grand of mods but I am not crying about it.
 
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GorGon27 said:
One seems dead. The others light up dim with no battery bar or say waranty service. I figured I used batteries past their lifespan and I have paid for it dearly. The ripped battery is just something the Triades do. I know it is bad. I went to 18650 mods from Lipo's because because you have non stop vaping. Just swap them out. However my custom Lipo boxes are much nicer than LV or Wisemec to begin with. IMO. I have enough of them that by the time one is dead others are fully charged. I find that removable battery mods for me at least are a can of worms. So to speak. Ripped wrappers. shorts, no contact, worn contacts. I thought it was going to be better but my experience was bad. I know many people do fine with them. Plus as I said the custom mods are much nicer anyways. No paint peeling off Etc. It is of interest that nearly ever custom DNA 200/250 mod uses a Lipo. With removeables there is too much margin for user error. Not to mention I have 10 Thumbs. I am not an idiot but I am an elderly sick man and it is just going to cause me more headaches. I have no doubt a guy that is healthy and say up to 60 years old has no issue withthem. It is my fault but it does suck. Even before I used bad batteries I had nothing but problems. For me it is very difficult to even insert the batteries. Lipo's are not a problem if you have at least a few. Or will wait to vape as one charges. It is entirely my fault I killed all those but there are some circumstances. I have ben vaping since it's inception so it is not newbie mistakes. It is my age and health. For instance I find it very difficult to put the batteries in a Triade due to how tight they fit. To another person it would not be a problem. So that's that. Back to Lipo's for me. This problem is solved Lol. Although I just lost a couple grand of mods but I am not crying about it.
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Sorry to hear they are doing this- is it possible to post a screenshot of the mods in Device monitor? We might be able to help you get them running again.

Mods with built in batteries do sound like they suit you better I agree, with you mentioning your age and illness. I find some mods difficult to get batteries in and out of, and I am 27, so it must be very hard for you.

It would be nice to get them working though, even if you didn't use them I am sure they would help someone else make the switch to vaping :)
 
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Not sure if this applies, but I had a VERY hard time getting batteries into my minibooks, without mangling the wrappers... till some brilliant soul suggested either removing or loosening the atty first, or just putting the battery in before attaching the atty... it works like a charme; you still have to be careful to keep the battery level so both ends go in more or less at the same time, but it's MUCH easier if the atty isn't attached; the 510 post that touches the battery gives a bit, if the atty isn't there, or if it's loosened a good bit.

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The Triades are known battery rippers. The concept is stupid. They ned a better design. I mean I can put batteries in a Fuchai Lol. One mod it looks like the fuse blew. The others it is a contact issue. They are so used and worn, hardly any brand of battery will make contact now.

I think I said this but it is interesting almost all custom mods are Lipo. They are nicer anyways. The real issue is cheap Chinese junk. Plus it is well used. Than once again because they are just cheap junk the batteries fit so tight. Until they get so lose they do not make contact! There is no comparison to good custom mods. If anyone can afford them don't think twice. I am tired of these production mods failing. I thought for a while 18650's was a great idea but not for me.

I can plainly see what is with each one in device manager. The issue is not really even 18650 or Lipo. I am just done with production mods. How I thought the Triade was better than like say a TopHat I have no clue. If anyone can only get a production mod I would not suggest this design. It is all that exists though. I am afraid you are going to throw out $150. Or forget the dna and quite frankly the Two battery mods should last longer. Or encounter some other failure. I don't know. Some Chinese mods are awesome, most are not.

I am not trying to start a heated debate honestly. It is just my opinion after losing thousands of dollars. Sure, I am mad.
 
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