Thank you, I always end up short, or stupid long and wasteful.
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Idk man funny thing was the flavor wasn't super nasty. It was off for sure but not terrible. Since I was at work I quickly dry burned and plunged it in some water a few times, steam cleaned those babies and they cleaned up real nice! I always carry a cotton sheet with me in case of emergency so I was able to wick and get back to vaping. Thats why I love rebulding! If shit hits the fan I can take care of it and not have to find coils to buy on a lunch break
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Very nice, looks great and one of a kind. Only wish I could do something like that. Glad she liked it.
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Thanks, This definitely is the best place to learn.Wowwww! Those are some awesome coils. I'll catch up to the big boyz soon
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Theres alot of us coming up on this forum right now. Lets keep it up and keep learning from eachother! Hopefully we will find our niche and start creating new ideas. Personally I'm loving this hobby!Wowwww! Those are some awesome coils. I'll catch up to the big boyz soon
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I'm limited on time to but im just going to start prepping some sticks each night. I'll take like 45min to prep 6-10 ribbon wire sticks one night and another night ill do the same with alien decores and a 3rd night i'll stagger/paraclap in preperation for stags or ssfc. Then on the weekend when time allows ill put them together and spin the wraps. Thats the plans at least. Ill let you know how it works out.
I was afraid to post these having seen the high level of skill here, but, I must start somewhere. Only building a few weeks but not every day. I am hoping I can spent more time at it in the future and learn some more advanced techniques. Even though I rarely get my builds finished correctly, and waste tonnes of wire I find it quite calming for some reason.
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yeah man it seems like a new 'my first alien' every week lately...i remember when there was two or three people tops that could do them here. this place is a good place to come up, and it just gets better the more people there are
decided to try alien staples because i wasnt happy with the last stagg attempt. 12 x .3mm ka1/38ss316 5 2.5mm wraps .11 ohms
Nice! I didn't see you mention frames, is that a pure staple with an alien wrap?yeah man it seems like a new 'my first alien' every week lately...i remember when there was two or three people tops that could do them here. this place is a good place to come up, and it just gets better the more people there are
decided to try alien staples because i wasnt happy with the last stagg attempt. 12 x .3mm ka1/38ss316 5 2.5mm wraps .11 ohms
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@whiteowl84 If you don't mind dropping some more tips on us, how did you prep your 10x 32g alien you did a while ago? Particularly around the swivel end. I hot glued my 8x 32g on both ends with as much even tension as possible, then folded the last 1/2'' or so around the swivel and it pretty much wrecked the cores. Ended up with 5 strands parallel and 3 underneath in that last pic. .
edit- beware atomizer wick 38g comes off way too curly to para clap without dual spool technique, I now see why choice wire is preferred.
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When i 1st did aliens i used this tiny paper clip with a hole drilled in the middle and rubber epozied to the jaws. Im gonna use it again when I attempt an 8-10 core. 1/2" at a time probably.
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Not a build but as it was discussed in this thread, I thought id share the results of my Goon polished up. I think I should have started with 200-400 grit paper as there is some minor machining lines remaining. These aren't really visible to the naked eye though just the photo picked them up. Happy with the results.
I made a jig to polish with as my chuck couldn't hold the ego-510 I had. Came out a few times and then it was destroyed by the chuck. FDV 510 I had spare and a bolt with the head cut off threaded into the base. Worked pretty well.
I made a jig to polish with as my chuck couldn't hold the ego-510 I had. Came out a few times and then it was destroyed by the chuck. FDV 510 I had spare and a bolt with the head cut off threaded into the base. Worked pretty well.
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Why is it when coiling staples, the wire curls up on it's own ?
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The trick with making aliens with 32g is Raymo's cattracks technique. I was making a cattrack and aliened it instead.
For this I'm assuming we're doing a 10x 32g core. Take 5 pieces of straightened 32g 20" long and loop the swivel. Grab them and force them flat with your fingers. Keep holding them and pull the slack out then hotglue them close to the swivel. Wrap some ribbon around the cores so they bunch just a little bit then squeeze it flat with nylon or flat pliers. Now what comes off the swivel should be flat and parallel. Grab all of it and pull letting your fingers slide to the very end. If it's all parallel hot glue about 1" from the end. Wrap with ribbon and flatten. Now just bind the very end together and put it in the drill. Pull the drill and put a slider on the cores right in front of the last piece of ribbon and flatten it.
Stretch your decore as much as possible so it doesn't need any tension to wrap it. Otherwise you're going to get alot if twist and cores collapsing.
Now you just keep that slider in front of your wrap. Move it down about 1/2" and wrap up to it, stop, move the slider and wrap. Keep doing that till you get to the end.
Hammer/roll your wire flat.
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For this I'm assuming we're doing a 10x 32g core. Take 5 pieces of straightened 32g 20" long and loop the swivel. Grab them and force them flat with your fingers. Keep holding them and pull the slack out then hotglue them close to the swivel. Wrap some ribbon around the cores so they bunch just a little bit then squeeze it flat with nylon or flat pliers. Now what comes off the swivel should be flat and parallel. Grab all of it and pull letting your fingers slide to the very end. If it's all parallel hot glue about 1" from the end. Wrap with ribbon and flatten. Now just bind the very end together and put it in the drill. Pull the drill and put a slider on the cores right in front of the last piece of ribbon and flatten it.
Stretch your decore as much as possible so it doesn't need any tension to wrap it. Otherwise you're going to get alot if twist and cores collapsing.
Now you just keep that slider in front of your wrap. Move it down about 1/2" and wrap up to it, stop, move the slider and wrap. Keep doing that till you get to the end.
Hammer/roll your wire flat.
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You can just use ribbon for stuff that needs cores held flat. If you set up an alien so every core has equal tension on it you really don't need anything to hold it flat.When i 1st did aliens i used this tiny paper clip with a hole drilled in the middle and rubber epozied to the jaws. Im gonna use it again when I attempt an 8-10 core. 1/2" at a time probably.
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Anything adding weight to the cores is going to make it wobble like crazy when you open the drill up.
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yup just an alien staple, no frames. 12 plys of ribbon and a 26g decore for the wrap.
You aren't pulling hard enough.
It takes alot of tension to coil all ribbon because as you side bend it you're working tension down the wire. If you pull it hard enough and get that first wrap perfect the rest should coil pretty easily.
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Yeah thats what i used when i 1st started doing aliens and hadnt learned to get even tension on all wires. Now i may use it for the 8 core aliens.
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Thanks whiteowl84, next time I'll use 4 longer pieces (since I'm doing 8, don't have 22g for decore) and fold it around like you said with the ribbon binders. Mainly just practicing para claptoning and I have a bunch of 32g I don't really use anymore so I figured what the hell. Plus I'm curious to how it vapes 
In the mean time I did a pretty shabby pitchfork ssfc skip fuse, probably the craziest thing I've attempted so far. The angles on the final fuse are weird, they start to get sharper n sharper until I skip another space and then it starts ok and after a couple more inches repeats. Don't know if I'm doing anything wrong but it looks kool imo. Frames : 28K + 2x .4R // Core: 4x .4R, .4R // Wrap 38g N80
In the mean time I did a pretty shabby pitchfork ssfc skip fuse, probably the craziest thing I've attempted so far. The angles on the final fuse are weird, they start to get sharper n sharper until I skip another space and then it starts ok and after a couple more inches repeats. Don't know if I'm doing anything wrong but it looks kool imo. Frames : 28K + 2x .4R // Core: 4x .4R, .4R // Wrap 38g N80
Do you pull with your hands or nylon pliers?
I just don't do all ribbon builds anymore. With 0.3mm it's easy but 0.4mm sucks to coil.
The easy way is to put one end in a vice and pull the other end around your mandrel.
I can't coil anything worth a fuck so unless it's 0.3mm (which I'm out of) I just frame it.
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The easy way is to put one end in a vice and pull the other end around your mandrel.
I can't coil anything worth a fuck so unless it's 0.3mm (which I'm out of) I just frame it.
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I hear that bro..you remember the pic of my first and only all ribbon stick? It was depressing as hell.
Yep. Sure do. Lol
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That's the s**t that happens to me right there.
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@raymo2u you know that alien plateau build you created mate what gauges did you use to do it? Been trying to make an inlay on top like that ...does it naturally form that plateau?
No this is not mine this is Raymos pic just using it for reference
Still trying whiskeys build got the ribbon and frames on just need to Alien it now
No this is not mine this is Raymos pic just using it for reference
Still trying whiskeys build got the ribbon and frames on just need to Alien it now
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5X 28N80/36N80 Roundwire Staggerton.
Pssst... this was a bitch to build.
Slowly does it I bet hehe very nice matey
I used 28g decore. Core is 28g/12ply .4R@raymo2u you know that alien plateau build you created mate what gauges did you use to do it? Been trying to make an inlay on top like that ...does it naturally form that plateau?
No this is not mine this is Raymos pic just using it for reference
Still trying whiskeys build got the ribbon and frames on just need to Alien it now
Good luck recreating this....so far I havent made a second length yet...There isnt a inlay on the Plateau, its flat across the top, that is what separates it from a Double Hump Enigma...(Ive had to argue for it a few times)
The Wrap goes inward, rises and then cuts straight across and then mirros the patter....just like a Plateau, that how it got the name.
If your looking for a Inlay, try a Double Hump Enigma...they are great for inlays.
Some of the Inlaid DHE's Ive done:
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Thanks mate they are absolutely awesome! That first colour shot is something else! So what materials for this one are needed would like to try both your creation and this one!I used 28g decore. Core is 28g/12ply .4R
Good luck recreating this....so far I havent made a second length yet...There isnt a inlay on the Plateau, its flat across the top, that is what separates it from a Double Hump Enigma...(Ive had to argue for it a few times)
The Wrap goes inward, rises and then cuts straight across and then mirros the patter....just like a Plateau, that how it got the name.
If your looking for a Inlay, try a Double Hump Enigma...they are great for inlays.
Some of the Inlaid DHE's Ive done:
I got a question; I was practicing some more with ribbon and heres what I did. I had a piece of 28g left over from something and wanted to use it. I stuck it between 3 strips of .4 ribbon (I know the 28 was too small but .4 is all I had) folded the ribbin in half to make it 6 ply with a piece of 28 in the center. Glued it all together on both ends when good and tight. Then I staggered some 36g over 26g, framed out the ribbon stack and glued both ends. I used the folded end of ribbon for a loop to attach to the swivels. Everything was laying nice and strait. I very lightly fused it all together with some 40g and thats when the problem started.
I guess what happend was the wires started to twist and bind. There was so much tension the ribbon busted out of alignment in 2 places, mostly towards the ends. What can I do to combat that? I have no fucking clue how people can keep corrugated wire strait when fusing. Its insane. Anyways, any suggestions would help. I still got 4 decent coils out of the 12 or 14" stick. I'd still like things to go more smoothly! This crap took me 2 hours!
Heres a pic of one of the ends. I didn't finish wrapping cause, well...roadblock.
I guess what happend was the wires started to twist and bind. There was so much tension the ribbon busted out of alignment in 2 places, mostly towards the ends. What can I do to combat that? I have no fucking clue how people can keep corrugated wire strait when fusing. Its insane. Anyways, any suggestions would help. I still got 4 decent coils out of the 12 or 14" stick. I'd still like things to go more smoothly! This crap took me 2 hours!
Heres a pic of one of the ends. I didn't finish wrapping cause, well...roadblock.
There is just too much tension.
Corrugated builds aren't that bad to wrap for most of us.
See how your ribbon cores and frame are connected and stuck together? Don't do that.
Just float what ever between the frames and let ribbon sliders hold it in.
Don't pull on the drill and don't pull on the spool either. When I paraclap stuff like 4ply the ribbon sags when I fuse it because there isn't any tension on it so the swivels won't lock up or slow down.
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Corrugated builds aren't that bad to wrap for most of us.
See how your ribbon cores and frame are connected and stuck together? Don't do that.
Just float what ever between the frames and let ribbon sliders hold it in.
Don't pull on the drill and don't pull on the spool either. When I paraclap stuff like 4ply the ribbon sags when I fuse it because there isn't any tension on it so the swivels won't lock up or slow down.
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So attach the frames to the swivel and leave the center loose? It's still easy to fuse even though the wires arent pulled tight with the drill?
Well it's not attached to the frames but it's not loose. If you're prep is good the ribbon will be straight and when you pull the frames tight they'll be straight.
You don't need tension on the ribbon, you just need it to stay straight while you fuse around it.
If you ever need to pull the drill or fuse wire something is wrong.
The weight of my drill is enough for me to do almost everything including 10x 32g core aliens with a massive 36g wrap.
When people say the prep is everything, this is what they mean. You shouldn't have to pull and fight with it.
I float everything, when I add layers, make SSFCs or even corrugated shit.
Staggs are the only thing I do where I actually leave the original loop in place but that core isn't hooked to the drill it's hooked to the frames I'm adding.
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You don't need tension on the ribbon, you just need it to stay straight while you fuse around it.
If you ever need to pull the drill or fuse wire something is wrong.
The weight of my drill is enough for me to do almost everything including 10x 32g core aliens with a massive 36g wrap.
When people say the prep is everything, this is what they mean. You shouldn't have to pull and fight with it.
I float everything, when I add layers, make SSFCs or even corrugated shit.
Staggs are the only thing I do where I actually leave the original loop in place but that core isn't hooked to the drill it's hooked to the frames I'm adding.
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Here's a little build I'm working on. This all stays about the same no matter what I do. The only difference between this and a SSFC is I paraclap 2 wires then place the frames around the stack. Them the frames are glued to each other so the ribbon isn't trapped then I work from there with my frame gap set.
This stack of ribbon started out wavy as hell so I worked it straight. This us a key reason you don't just glue stuff because then there's no play at all and you can't change it. Binding can always come back off and you can force the ribbon stack to change shape.
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I used to run into this kinda shit all the time when i used swivels. Keeping tension on them makes em bind up, too little tension and the cores go all wacky. That's why i like the SpinLT, i just loop everything through and you can put as much tension on the cores as you need and it never affects the way it spins.
Also, if you ever need to readjust your cores you can just warm the glue back up and slide your fingers down the cores to straighten them and hold them until it sets again.
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Thanks for the tips man I'll have to practice some more. Lessons learned, rewards earned
Beautiful stack right there man! Thats what I'm trying to learn right now...ribbin shitHere's a little build I'm working on. This all stays about the same no matter what I do. The only difference between this and a SSFC is I paraclap 2 wires then place the frames around the stack. Them the frames are glued to each other so the ribbon isn't trapped then I work from there with my frame gap set.
This stack of ribbon started out wavy as hell so I worked it straight. This us a key reason you don't just glue stuff because then there's no play at all and you can't change it. Binding can always come back off and you can force the ribbon stack to change shape.
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I used 28g decore. Core is 28g/12ply .4R
Good luck recreating this....so far I havent made a second length yet...There isnt a inlay on the Plateau, its flat across the top, that is what separates it from a Double Hump Enigma...(Ive had to argue for it a few times)
The Wrap goes inward, rises and then cuts straight across and then mirros the patter....just like a Plateau, that how it got the name.
If your looking for a Inlay, try a Double Hump Enigma...they are great for inlays.
Some of the Inlaid DHE's Ive done:
Use SS for Colors like the frst 2 pics, everything SS nd pulse and hold at 20w and strum then on the back of the coils while they are heating up...hold the power on until you get the color where you wnt it, bump it up 2w-5w if its too slow but you do want to watch the color come in...
Tried aliens again failed miserably.
Just got the goon lp in today so since I failed with the aliens I did a fused 24ss Clapton. This thing is a bitch to build on, lacks space. Did a 3.5mm and it didn't fit. Rebuilt. Did a 3mm and I juuust got it in there with the cap... we will see if it vapes and it's too tight might have to rebuild again which kinda sucks.ifnall else fails I'll use the goon cap for it.
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Just got the goon lp in today so since I failed with the aliens I did a fused 24ss Clapton. This thing is a bitch to build on, lacks space. Did a 3.5mm and it didn't fit. Rebuilt. Did a 3mm and I juuust got it in there with the cap... we will see if it vapes and it's too tight might have to rebuild again which kinda sucks.ifnall else fails I'll use the goon cap for it.
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Tried aliens again failed miserably.
Just got the goon lp in today so since I failed with the aliens I did a fused 24ss Clapton. This thing is a bitch to build on, lacks space. Did a 3.5mm and it didn't fit. Rebuilt. Did a 3mm and I juuust got it in there with the cap... we will see if it vapes and it's too tight might have to rebuild again which kinda sucks.ifnall else fails I'll use the goon cap for it.
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I usually build at 2.5 on the LP. 3 will fit but it's tight.
Yeah should have gone with 2.5 and compensated with an extra wrap. Next time. It vapes rather well though I'm surprised.
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I swear I just posted these...oh well I'll try again.
Simple interlocks SS and Kanthal. 0.06
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Hmmm.. Simple for you... LOLI swear I just posted these...oh well I'll try again.
Simple interlocks SS and Kanthal. 0.06
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I can tell anyone how to make anything I'm able to make. I do things as simple as possible so it's easy and it works. Ray has a similar approach
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If you ever want to know how to make something just ask me and I'll make a picture tutorial.
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