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This forum has probably more genuinely good mixers and contributors than any media outlet I'm familiar with. I think it's wonderful that we have so many here who are generous enough to contribute their work. There are some shared freely and some offered at a miniscule cost that is a fraction of what it's worth when compared to the savings passed on to us as vapers. Each recipe is well thought out by the original poster and something they're proud of, or they wouldn't be sharing.

The aforementioned brings me to this point....taste is always subjective. There's always a chance that you will taste something completely different in a recipe than what the recipe creator or the majority tastes. You may think a mix would taste better with a flavor substitution or omission. Suggestions or opinions are always welcome (at least on my end), but to blatantly tell an OP that they "should have used" another flavor or vendor or to tell another member in that same thread that they should use something else or do something completely different is rather rude. You want to make something I've posted differently, go right ahead and make it to suit your tastes. But don't insult any member generous enough to share their work by attempting to rewrite it in the OP's thread. They've made it the way they've made it because it tasted good. Don't "grade" it. Suggestions are welcome; audacity is not.

I've seen this in several recipe threads here lately and just felt the need to say something.
 
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Teresa P said:
This forum has probably more genuinely good mixers and contributors than any media outlet I'm familiar with. I think it's wonderful that we have so many here who are generous enough to contribute their work. There are some shared freely and some offered at a miniscule cost that is a fraction of what it's worth when compared to the savings passed on to us as vapers. Each recipe is well thought out by the original poster and something they're proud of, or they wouldn't be sharing.

The aforementioned brings me to this point....taste is always subjective. There's always a chance that you will taste something completely different in a recipe than what the recipe creator or the majority tastes. You may think a mix would taste better with a flavor substitution or omission. Suggestions or opinions are always welcome (at least on my end), but to blatantly tell an OP that they "should have used" another flavor or vendor or to tell another member in that same thread that they should use something else or do something completely different is rather rude. You want to make something I've posted differently, go right ahead and make it to suit your tastes. But don't insult any member generous enough to share their work by attempting to rewrite it in the OP's thread. They've made it the way they've made it because it tasted good. Don't "grade" it. Suggestions are welcome; audacity is not.

I've seen this in several recipe threads here lately and just felt the need to say something.
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LOL, you sound like me. I posted a rant, much like this a long time ago. Seems I offended people by doing it LMAO. I agree with you. When someone posts a recipe it's their thread. If another person posts a completely different one, based on that in the same thread... start a thread with the recipe.
 
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Well said Teresa!

Different strokes for different folks, if we all had the same tastes there wouldn't be a large variety of flavors.

It also makes a difference on the tank, coil and MTL vs DL, some mixes work better for different styles of vaping.

Use what works for you and understand that everyone is different.

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Suggestions or opinions are always welcome (at least on my end), ...
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I've never seen your "end", butt I'm sure it's just fine. :D

Knowing full well that before the Boogie Man goes to sleep he checks under his bed for Huckleberried... certainly keeps me in check. :yes:


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I've never seen your "end", butt I'm sure it's just fine. :D

Knowing full well that before the Boogie Man goes to sleep he checks under his bed for Huckleberried... certainly keeps me in check. :yes:


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So you'll understand if I refrain from posting pics? :teehee:
 
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What if a picture posted here reveals TeresaP is really one of those Kardashian sisters? :rolleyes:
I think we must respect her anonymity!

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Don't criticize the ingredients dude:teehee:
 
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It also makes a difference on the tank, coil and MTL vs DL, some mixes work better for different styles of vaping.
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And the wattage! I *still* get some grief about my strawberry & cream recipe, though it's come down in flavoring percentages a lot, from 31% to 26% -- apparently a lot of folks find the use of 14.5% INW shisha strawberry quite shocking. But these people should keep in mind that I vape at LESS THAN 10 WATTS!

If I vaped at some ridiculous wattage as so many do these days, then sure, I could probably do with a lot less flavoring. But a) I don't wanna go thru 30ml of juice a day, and b) my asthma forbids me from using that much heat, or having that much vapor in my lungs in a single day, or even in one puff in that single day!

If you vape at something over 20 or 30 watts and you find a recipe that seems promising but uses a lot of flavoring... JUST HALF THE PERCENTAGES! It's really not that hard, nor is it necessary to continually point ridiculing fingers at someone who does need a lot of flavoring just to taste it. Some folks got off more lightly with the damage done to their tastebuds over years and decades of smoking... some of us damn near killed our tastebuds and may or may not ever get them completely back.

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And the wattage ..... keep in mind that I vape at LESS THAN 10 WATTS!
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That's a VERY good point and one that I never actually considered before. As I'm trying others' recipes and making a few of my own it never dawned on me that the wattage would make that much of a difference. I'll be sure to keep that in mind when others are trying any juice that I make as well. ;)
 
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I was listening to Scope666 on Mod Envy awhile back, who has his own line of juice. His opinion is that most recipes are definitely created for the type of setup the mixer uses, which makes total sense. Almost a duh - except I'd never thought of it that way either. So something made for dripping at .5 ohms is not going to taste the same on a .25 RTA, etc.

That's why we as mixers almost always customize/ adjust recipes to our own liking. I think Teresa wants everyone to be nice about how we talk about it :)
 
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Wattage and/or temperature if doing TC can make a huge difference in the taste of certain flavors. Most chocolates and for me, peanut butter vapes have to be vaped at lower wattages or temps or the flavors get thrown off. I also have one I vape (Bear Claw) that looses all the subtle nuances of the filling flavors ( cinnamon, almond) if not vaped at lower temps.
 
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I was listening to Scope666 on Mod Envy awhile back, who has his own line of juice. His opinion is that most recipes are definitely created for the type of setup the mixer uses, which makes total sense. Almost a duh - except I'd never thought of it that way either. So something made for dripping at .5 ohms is not going to taste the same on a .25 RTA, etc.

That's why we as mixers almost always customize/ adjust recipes to our own liking. I think Teresa wants everyone to be nice about how we talk about it :)
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ABSOLUTELY! I was just reading a thread where somebody had a total of about 3-4% flavouring and I thought ... 'WOW ... That's low!'. But they also mentioned that they were vaping on an RDA at .25 ohms. Also certain very concentrated flavours must generally be kept at low percentages. My RDA is at .5 ohms and the tank that I normally vape on is around .6 ohms in TC mode. There are soooo many variables to consider and then add in that each person tastes things quite differently and you'd have better luck winning the lottery! ;)
 
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JuicyLucy said:
I was listening to Scope666 on Mod Envy awhile back, who has his own line of juice. His opinion is that most recipes are definitely created for the type of setup the mixer uses, which makes total sense. Almost a duh - except I'd never thought of it that way either. So something made for dripping at .5 ohms is not going to taste the same on a .25 RTA, etc.

That's why we as mixers almost always customize/ adjust recipes to our own liking. I think Teresa wants everyone to be nice about how we talk about it :)
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All true! I'm hooked on my Boreas tanks, my coils range from .18 to .35 depending on the mood and the juice, and 82w has become my "sweet spot" for just about anything. I've revisited older recipes that were heavenly in a Kanger mini at 28w, but taste like swill in what I use now. It happens.

What I really wanted to say would be better posted in the "Say It Here" thread, but I decided to be nice for a change. :giggle:
 
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All true! I'm hooked on my Boreas tanks, my coils range from .18 to .35 depending on the mood and the juice, and 82w has become my "sweet spot" for just about anything. I've revisited older recipes that were heavenly in a Kanger mini at 28w, but taste like swill in what I use now. It happens.

What I really wanted to say would be better posted in the "Say It Here" thread, but I decided to be nice for a change. :giggle:
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Yeah, the Boreas was my first "I think I need to adjust my juice" attie also :cool:
 
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Teresa P said:
All true! I'm hooked on my Boreas tanks, my coils range from .18 to .35 depending on the mood and the juice, and 82w has become my "sweet spot" for just about anything. I've revisited older recipes that were heavenly in a Kanger mini at 28w, but taste like swill in what I use now. It happens.

What I really wanted to say would be better posted in the "Say It Here" thread, but I decided to be nice for a change. :giggle:
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That's really why I decided, very early in my vaping history, that I absolutely hate dual coils: I was trying to upgrade from the starter tiny clearos, and got an original Nautilus... and it totally fucked up the ejuice i used then, a nice Virginia flavor from MFS. I guess it was because of the heat. When I got a Kayfun, my next attempt at an upgrade, no problems with the flavor, though I sure got a lot more of it, and a lot better TH too.

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Teresa P said:
So you'll understand if I refrain from posting pics? :teehee:
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all valid points above. anyone who says "this is the way and how its done" hasnt been mixing long enough
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Exactly, anyone who is absolute in something like mixing your own juice doesn't understand how this works.

Apart from FA, we're often mixing rebottled flavours which adds 1 or 2 degrees of complexity.
We mix these at different PG/VG ratios which complicates things even further.
More importantly, we vape on very different setups that vastly alter the perception of flavour from the exact same mix. From the atomiser design itself, to wicks, airflow, power usage or temperature, coil shape and size.
Finally, some of us seem to perceive different notes from certain flavours. I for example taste a strange off-note from orange and lime flavours. Others taste black pepper in lots of flavours, were others don't.


Most of us though are just making suggestions on possible alternatives based on our experience. For example, I recently tested Flavorah Rich Cinnamon, which I consider the best one out there. So many people use the mediocre at best CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl, whereas you can get much better and versatile results with Flavorah's. Instead of keeping this to myself since I only make juice for me and my friends and don't release recipes, I choose to share this as often as possible because this is how I found out about it to begin with.
 
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And the wattage! I *still* get some grief about my strawberry & cream recipe, though it's come down in flavoring percentages a lot, from 31% to 26% -- apparently a lot of folks find the use of 14.5% INW shisha strawberry quite shocking. But these people should keep in mind that I vape at LESS THAN 10 WATTS!

If I vaped at some ridiculous wattage as so many do these days, then sure, I could probably do with a lot less flavoring. But a) I don't wanna go thru 30ml of juice a day, and b) my asthma forbids me from using that much heat, or having that much vapor in my lungs in a single day, or even in one puff in that single day!

If you vape at something over 20 or 30 watts and you find a recipe that seems promising but uses a lot of flavoring... JUST HALF THE PERCENTAGES! It's really not that hard, nor is it necessary to continually point ridiculing fingers at someone who does need a lot of flavoring just to taste it. Some folks got off more lightly with the damage done to their tastebuds over years and decades of smoking... some of us damn near killed our tastebuds and may or may not ever get them completely back.

Andria
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From a scientific approach, if you're vaping MTL (which I assume you are at <10W), then you should need less flavouring. More importantly, we're at an early stage of vaping and we don't know the effect of flavouring on our bodies. FA is doing some cell studies but besides that there isn't anything else out there. If you want to be on the safe side, you want to minimise your exposure to flavourings.
On the other hand, you probably go through 1/3 of the volume of liquid, compared to DTL vapers, thus mitigating the possible risks of using flavourings in high percentages.
 
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From a scientific approach, if you're vaping MTL (which I assume you are at <10W), then you should need less flavouring. More importantly, we're at an early stage of vaping and we don't know the effect of flavouring on our bodies. FA is doing some cell studies but besides that there isn't anything else out there. If you want to be on the safe side, you want to minimise your exposure to flavourings.
On the other hand, you probably go through 1/3 of the volume of liquid, compared to DTL vapers, thus mitigating the possible risks of using flavourings in high percentages.
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No, if I want to be on the safe side, I'll stay the hell away from CIGARETTES, which means staying happy with my vape. If I can't fucking taste it, I sure as hell won't be happy with it. Making a mix with less than 10% or even 20% flavoring means I won't taste it, so I won't like it, so I won't vape it... so good chance I'll start thinking about CIGARETTES. Yeah, that'd be safe. :facepalm:

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No, if I want to be on the safe side, I'll stay the hell away from CIGARETTES, which means staying happy with my vape. If I can't fucking taste it, I sure as hell won't be happy with it. Making a mix with less than 10% or even 20% flavoring means I won't taste it, so I won't like, so I won't vape it... so good chance I'll start thinking about CIGARETTES. Yeah, that'd be safe. :facepalm:

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Thank you, Andria....just....thank you.....:D
 
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Thank you, Andria....just....thank you.....:D
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I'm just sick to fucking DEATH of all these folks who willingly inhaled for fucking DECADES every goddamned noxious chemical that BT could think to put in a cigarette now having their panties in a wad about the safety of FUCKING FLAVORS. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!!!!!!!! DEATH BY FUCKING NITPICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


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I'm just sick to fucking DEATH by all these folks who willingly inhaled for fucking DECADES every goddamned noxious chemical that BT could think to put in a cigarette now having their panties in a wad about the safety of FUCKING FLAVORS. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!!!!!!!! DEATH BY FUCKING NITPICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


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:hug:... dear friend, you have absolutely made my day. :blowkiss:
 
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:hug:... dear friend, you have absolutely made my day. :blowkiss:
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Heh.. I'm glad. :)

But this is why, even though I personally choose flavors that I'm either certain or pretty sure have no diketones, I throw no stones nor give any guff to those who don't make that choice -- cigarettes have a lot more diketones, the actual evil diacetyl, than anyone will EVER get from vaping, so I can't see it's really that big a risk.

My own choice is more of an acknowledgment of my own personal neuroses: I have asthma, which causes shortness of breath on a regular basis. The ONLY reported symptom of actual bronchiolitis obliterans is "shortness of breath." So, if I knowing vaped diketones, every single time I felt shortness of breath (everyday, in other words), my borderline hypochondria would kick in, and I'd be SURE that I was about to die. So it's just better if I just don't go there. :D Folks who don't have asthma -- roughly 75% of everybody -- obviously have no such issues. I doubt if hypochondria is any more prevalent than asthma, though who knows, with all the Rx commercials nowadays; hypochondria might be a raging epidemic. :giggle:

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