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always9988

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Not to mention, ILLEGAL ALIENS CANNOT RECEIVE FOOD STAMPS. It takes a lot of paperwork and a long ass process to see a dime of public assistance, it's virtually impossible for illegal people to receive federal assistance.
 

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I recall some strange humans complaining about the past president playing golf.
Well you have another one to complain about :)
Lets hear it.
Or was that just partisan sheep whining?
 

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Let's focus on #3 for a moment. "Every dollar spent on food stamps returns 2 dollars to the US economy."

Where does that two dollars come from? Does it just magically appear? Is it grown on trees?

Something doesn't add up. If I took the statement at face value, the US should not have a deficit nor a debt. Because, for it to be true, it would also equally apply to all government spending. Last I checked, there was a record number of food stamp recipients but GDP has remained stagnant and the US debt is increasing, not decreasing. That's not what I'd expect with a doubling of cash infusion into the economy from money "created" from food stamps. But then, liberal math never adds up.
 

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Let's focus on #3 for a moment. "Every dollar spent on food stamps returns 2 dollars to the US economy."

Where does that two dollars come from? Does it just magically appear? Is it grown on trees?

Something doesn't add up. If I took the statement at face value, the US should not have a deficit nor a debt. Because, for it to be true, it would also equally apply to all government spending. Last I checked, there was a record number of food stamp recipients but GDP has remained stagnant and the US debt is increasing, not decreasing. That's not what I'd expect with a doubling of cash infusion into the economy from money "created" from food stamps. But then, liberal math never adds up.
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The number for that specific fact may not have been the most current. The number on this info graphic is the most current I found, the numbers came from congressional budget office. Can't really get a more accurate number than that
 

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The number for that specific fact may not have been the most current. The number on this info graphic is the most current I found, the numbers came from congressional budget office. Can't really get a more accurate number than that

that is because the money is eaten up by retailers who accept the "food stamps".
Yes they sometimes pay more taxes because of it but not always.

It is money into the economy not the govt coffers.
 

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And if I'm not spending my last dollar on groceries to feed my kids (hypothetically) I can now buy them new shoes instead of hand me downs, or a new backpack, etc etc etc
 

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Sweden... I turn the TV off for one weekend and now we have Sweden. What in the actual fuck is going on here? Bowling Green Massacre, Terror Attack in Atlanta, now bullshit fake news about Sweden. I'm afraid to ask, but what's next?
 

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Sweden... I turn the TV off for one weekend and now we have Sweden. What in the actual fuck is going on here? Bowling Green Massacre, Terror Attack in Atlanta, now bullshit fake news about Sweden. I'm afraid to ask, but what's next?
no, all this demostrates is your ignorance of world events.
 

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Sweden... I turn the TV off for one weekend and now we have Sweden. What in the actual fuck is going on here? Bowling Green Massacre, Terror Attack in Atlanta, now bullshit fake news about Sweden. I'm afraid to ask, but what's next?

It was last year... Potus heard about it from faux news.... he used it to scare people in Florida again....


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Let's focus on #3 for a moment. "Every dollar spent on food stamps returns 2 dollars to the US economy."

Where does that two dollars come from? Does it just magically appear? Is it grown on trees?

Something doesn't add up. If I took the statement at face value, the US should not have a deficit nor a debt. Because, for it to be true, it would also equally apply to all government spending. Last I checked, there was a record number of food stamp recipients but GDP has remained stagnant and the US debt is increasing, not decreasing. That's not what I'd expect with a doubling of cash infusion into the economy from money "created" from food stamps. But then, liberal math never adds up.
no,no,no......don't do it...it's like trying to teach geometry to a fucking chimp.
 

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no, all this demostrates is your ignorance of world events.

It wasn't a yes or no question asshole. I asked what's next. What fake bullshit is really next, more of a rhetorical question but you apparently think you know everything there is to know about everything so please enlighten me.
 

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Actually, please don't enlighten me, for the first time ever I guess I will test this ignore function. I refuse to be a miserable asshole with this guy.
He can't. There is no way to have an actual conversation with it. It just growls and snarls and slings insults to disagree with what you say, while having no actual reason to do it. It'll never give you any actual information to back up your claims, instead will call you fat or trailer trash brilliant really
 

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The number for that specific fact may not have been the most current. The number on this info graphic is the most current I found, the numbers came from congressional budget office. Can't really get a more accurate number than that

The info graphic is too small in my browser. How about a link.

Congress can't balance a checkbook so I really have a hard time taking much from the Congressional Budget Office too seriously, but I'm willing to look at it.
 

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Actually, please don't enlighten me, for the first time ever I guess I will test this ignore function. I refuse to be a miserable asshole with this guy.
Quite possibly the best "post of the day"
If this feature was used more often, certain members would not have an audience, and would curb the problems in here.
 

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And if I'm not spending my last dollar on groceries to feed my kids (hypothetically) I can now buy them new shoes instead of hand me downs, or a new backpack, etc etc etc

That's still dollar for dollar. The money you spend is fixed, whether you spend it on food or shoes. The government is still only adding one dollar but that's false also because the government must take the dollar out of the economy by taking it from a taxpayer first(or later through debt).
 

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That's still dollar for dollar. The money you spend is fixed, whether you spend it on food or shoes. The government is still only adding one dollar but that's false also because the government must take the dollar out of the economy by taking it from a taxpayer first(or later through debt).
Ideally (in a perfect world that will never exist) everyone regardless of income (or non profit status) would pay a set percentage of their income in taxes. Say, 20% or whatever the magic number is. In the case of someone receiving government assistance, they're still paying taxes like the rest (as they already do) but receiving that extra dollar goes to food. So one dollar goes to food, one goes to other goods, both help the economy by ending up with the farmer or producer of said goods. And so on and so forth with the economic cycle.

Obviously the government would have to budget correctly to make it work in this way, but this is how it was originally set up to work.
 

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Ideally (in a perfect world that will never exist) everyone regardless of income (or non profit status) would pay a set percentage of their income in taxes. Say, 20% or whatever the magic number is. In the case of someone receiving government assistance, they're still paying taxes like the rest (as they already do) but receiving that extra dollar goes to food. So one dollar goes to food, one goes to other goods, both help the economy by ending up with the farmer or producer of said goods. And so on and so forth with the economic cycle.

Obviously the government would have to budget correctly to make it work in this way, but this is how it was originally set up to work.

Okay, I'm with ya on the flat tax. No problem there.

But even with a flat tax, in order for the government to pay out one dollar, it must take one dollar. The government isn't even adding one dollar. It's taking it from a taxpayer that would spend it in the economy and giving it to another taxpayer to spend in the economy. It's the same dollar. The dollar would go to the economy regardless of which taxpayer spends it.

Just as an example. If I pay my tax of one dollar that I would have used to buy a pack of gum and the government gives you that dollar to buy a can of food, that dollar has only changed from my hand to yours and would have went into the economy, as a whole, regardless of which one of us spent it. While you now have one more dollar to spend, I have one less. The net gain is zero for the economy because you'll use your extra dollar that you didn't have to spend on food to buy a pack of gum(or something) that I would have bought anyway.

edit to add; And that is just the initial dollar. We haven't even gotten to how it turns into two dollars.
 
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always9988

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Okay, I'm with ya on the flat tax. No problem there.

But even with a flat tax, in order for the government to pay out one dollar, it must take one dollar. The government isn't even adding one dollar. It's taking it from a taxpayer that would spend it in the economy and giving it to another taxpayer to spend in the economy. It's the same dollar. The dollar would go to the economy regardless of which taxpayer spends it.

Just as an example. If I pay my tax of one dollar that I would have used to buy a pack of gum and the government gives you that dollar to buy a can of food, that dollar has only changed from my hand to yours and would have went into the economy, as a whole, regardless of which one of us spent it. While you now have one more dollar to spend, I have one less. The net gain is zero for the economy because you'll use your extra dollar that you didn't have to spend on food to buy a pack of gum(or something) that I would have bought anyway.

edit to add; And that is just the initial dollar. We haven't even gotten to how it turns into two dollars.
://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary/item/12126-steny-hoyer-food-stamps-welfare-programs-stimulate-the-economy
 

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Sure, there are democrats that claim an economic boost but claiming a thing does not make it true. First there is the fact I presented above. But there is also objective evidence to the contrary. The main one is GDP growth(growth in the economy). Since the 2008 depression(not recession), the welfare rolls have skyrocketed. In the theory you presented, the significant increase in food stamps should have boosted the growth in the economy as measured by GDP. It has not. GDP has remained at zero to very low(1%) growth.

In fact, the article you cite argues against your position.

CNSNews.com explained why the allegation that government redistribution ignites productive economy growth is illusory, asserting, "This claim, however obscures the fact that both saving and investment are also economically productive activities contributing to credit availability and business growth respectively." Further, it "ignores the fact that taxpayers whose money is used to fund food stamp programs may have spent their money on other things, including food, thus also contributing to the economy."
 

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Quite possibly the best "post of the day"
If this feature was used more often, certain members would not have an audience, and would curb the problems in here.
I'm guessing you're including yourself in that list.
 
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Trump apparently he seems to love them and talks bad about the MSM.
His supporters seem the same way.

Hmmm. I've seen Trump talk about the lying media, fake news, failed media, and calling them out by name(CNN). I don't recall him using "MSM". FOX news is certainly MSM and he didn't tread lightly on Megyn Kelly.
 

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Hmmm. I've seen Trump talk about the lying media, fake news, failed media, and calling them out by name(CNN). I don't recall him using "MSM". FOX news is certainly MSM and he didn't tread lightly on Megyn Kelly.
But he spoke highly of Fox Family and Friends I think the name is.

At this point Fox is probably the only network that will cut him an slack.
 
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