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MOUTH TO LUNG like when you smoke a cigarette.
Drawing into your mouth then inhaling to your lungs, instead of drawing straight to your lungs.
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Having never smoked cigs before, give a close analogy, MTL vaping is like drinking from a straw on your Circle K 44oz Thirt Buster. Using suction of your mouth, move vape away and suck the vapor into your lungs. Are you vaping wrong? No, if what you have been doing has worked for you all this time, why change it.
Only reason I would see moving from DTL to MTL is if you are stepping down to like a tank like a Kayfun or other atomizer designed for MTL, MTL is generally higher resistance, slow, steady draws, on lower watts, using higher nicotine if you use nicotine, benefit is being lower watts, it is more juice conservative, still get good flavor and all, just you won't be winning any cloud or trick comps.
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Crown and Goon are DTL devices unless you've choked the airflow almost completely off, DTL is more along the lines of taking a rip off a water bong style vaping, everything goes directly to the lungs, mouth is just a pass way, MTL is like drinking from a straw.
Crown and Goon are DTL devices unless you've choked the airflow almost completely off, DTL is more along the lines of taking a rip off a water bong style vaping, everything goes directly to the lungs, mouth is just a pass way, MTL is like drinking from a straw.
My wife just told me to hold my nose and take a rip off her TFV8 so I did and I damn near died. So I'm convinced I've been doing it wrong. She's laughing her ass off at me right now. This probably means I've inhaled other things wrong too.
Ok, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I he noticed that my coils burn really fast no matter what tank/atty I use. I never let the liquid get too low or take long hit. I stay within the recommended wattage based on the ohms. Is that because of my method of inhaling or something else?
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Many variables affect coil longevity, more particularly the wicking of the coil head wears out way faster than the wire the coil is made of.
1) High VG liquids. VG by itself is used as a sweetener in many things, this sweet factor crystalizes and carbonizes on the wire and in the wicking, also being thicker than PG, if the wick can not wick fast enough, the heat of the coil can scorch and burn it, so VG gives a double wammy
2) Very Sweet liquids. As described above, sweeteners carbonize and crystalize very quickly, sweeter the liquid, more this factor comes into play
3) Dark Liquids. The less clear or clearish a liquid is, dyes, colorings, any particulates (WTA and NET Tobacco flavors), these impurities just burn and carbonize on the wire and in the wicking, they do not actually vaporize for the most part
4) Creamy, Custardardy, Yogurty, Bakery, Savory, Coffees, Tobaccos, Caramels, Vanillas, some fruity flavors. A lot of these suffer from one of the above 3 already mentioned, add in creams and rich savory bakery tones, pastry dough flavors, cookies, again heavy sweeteners, dark colored liquids, creams and such just more impurities in the liquid to carbonize up when heated.
5) Heat/Wattage. The hotter you get, the more you can burn things out, we use the thermal dynamics of evaporization, cooler liquid being vaporized mixed with cool air rapidly cools things down on the coil itself, which works in tandem with #6
6) Airflow. Not enough airflow and the wire of the coil can't be cooled efficiently when vaporizing liquid #5
A true clear, unflavored liquid coils can last for weeks to months, less sweet, semi thick, more clear liquids last 2nd longest, super sweet, super dark, super creamy or savory flavors are at the bottom of the list as worst offender coil killers.
1) High VG liquids. VG by itself is used as a sweetener in many things, this sweet factor crystalizes and carbonizes on the wire and in the wicking, also being thicker than PG, if the wick can not wick fast enough, the heat of the coil can scorch and burn it, so VG gives a double wammy
2) Very Sweet liquids. As described above, sweeteners carbonize and crystalize very quickly, sweeter the liquid, more this factor comes into play
3) Dark Liquids. The less clear or clearish a liquid is, dyes, colorings, any particulates (WTA and NET Tobacco flavors), these impurities just burn and carbonize on the wire and in the wicking, they do not actually vaporize for the most part
4) Creamy, Custardardy, Yogurty, Bakery, Savory, Coffees, Tobaccos, Caramels, Vanillas, some fruity flavors. A lot of these suffer from one of the above 3 already mentioned, add in creams and rich savory bakery tones, pastry dough flavors, cookies, again heavy sweeteners, dark colored liquids, creams and such just more impurities in the liquid to carbonize up when heated.
5) Heat/Wattage. The hotter you get, the more you can burn things out, we use the thermal dynamics of evaporization, cooler liquid being vaporized mixed with cool air rapidly cools things down on the coil itself, which works in tandem with #6
6) Airflow. Not enough airflow and the wire of the coil can't be cooled efficiently when vaporizing liquid #5
A true clear, unflavored liquid coils can last for weeks to months, less sweet, semi thick, more clear liquids last 2nd longest, super sweet, super dark, super creamy or savory flavors are at the bottom of the list as worst offender coil killers.
I have to thank you. This answer was so complete. I will pay more attention to how and what I'm vaping from now on.
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It's also very low-intensity, because of the cooler temp and low amount of vapor -- good for those of us old smokers who have lung and breathing problems. My asthma won't tolerate anything else. In fact, I think I was already using the slow-steady-and-not--too-deep technique, when I smoked, because of the asthma -- it's also why I smoked ultra-lights for the last 20 of my 39 yrs as a smoker. I called them the procrastinator's way to quit smoking.
But yes, it's extremely economical, and far less likely to bother non-vapers, as well as far easier to get away with stealth vaping.
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Kind of like drinking milk through a straw.. suck into mouth, then swallow (inhale in this case)
as compared to DL, Direct 2 lung.. which is rather like breathing through a paper towel roll.
I always coughed from MTL vaping. That, along with high PG was probably why I couldn't kick the smokes a couple years ago with vaping.
I was shocked and surprised when I took a pull of this DTL device my husband recently got for me and I didn't cough. I can DTL no problem, but still cough a little if I decrease my airflow and attempt MTL. Too bad for me cause DTL uses the juice so fast. I guess everyone is different.
If you are vaping and not coughing, you are probably not "doing it wrong".
That, along with high PG was probably why I couldn't kick the smokes a couple years ago with vaping.I was shocked and surprised when I took a pull of this DTL device my husband recently got for me and I didn't cough. I can DTL no problem, but still cough a little if I decrease my airflow and attempt MTL. Too bad for me cause DTL uses the juice so fast. I guess everyone is different.
If you are vaping and not coughing, you are probably not "doing it wrong".
Unfortunately, only the nicotine is a bit lower. Still burning tobacco. I tried the same thing. I got down to one a day, and it was still 10 days before I stopped craving that 1.It's also very low-intensity, because of the cooler temp and low amount of vapor -- good for those of us old smokers who have lung and breathing problems. My asthma won't tolerate anything else. In fact, I think I was already using the slow-steady-and-not--too-deep technique, when I smoked, because of the asthma -- it's also why I smoked ultra-lights for the last 20 of my 39 yrs as a smoker. I called them the procrastinator's way to quit smoking.
But yes, it's extremely economical, and far less likely to bother non-vapers, as well as far easier to get away with stealth vaping.
Andria
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Took me 3, to persuade myself that if I could get by with just 1 a day, I could probably get by without it, too. But even when I got down to < 5 per day, my sense of smell started coming back, and my asthma improved. That's why I'm completely in favor of harm reduction, as opposed to puritanism -- the perfect is quite often the enemy of the good. If getting down to 1 cigarette a day is the best a person can do, it's better than a pack a day, by a factor of 20. Being unable to go without that 1 is no reason not to try, and keep trying. It just takes some people longer to figure out that they don't really "need" it.
Andria
It took me nearly 2 1/2 years dual using to actually quit using combustibles, due to the only really affordable devices were cig-a-likes and ego devices were just hitting the scene out here where I live. After stepping up to an Ego device, it still took me to gradually decrease my PAD out and about + vaping at home to 1 cig a day, then just walked away from combustables entirely after that. If someone is dual using, and I know many who are IRL, as Andria stated above, this is not really about quitting entirely, it is more Harm Reduction, there are still addictive addatives and alkaloids in cigs that you can't get in vaping, can get close, but can't not all of them. It's what works for the end user, myself I was wanting off the cigs to begin with, had tried for 10 out of the 23 years I actually smoked to do so, mindset and will also have to be taken into account.
I may jibe and kid at those I know that still dual use to this day, but I don't belittle them into shame about it, heck, 4 1/2 years ago I was still in the same boat as them.
I may jibe and kid at those I know that still dual use to this day, but I don't belittle them into shame about it, heck, 4 1/2 years ago I was still in the same boat as them.
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I agree; even my doctor agrees with the philosophy of harm reduction; for many years, he told me that if I absolutely couldn't quit, to try and cut down as much as I could, and that turned out to be excellent advice. By the time I got interested in vaping, I was down under a full pack a day, so my dependence even on the non-nicotine addictive substances was quite a bit lower than it was when I was at 3+ pks a day. I still required WTA after my relapse to dual use following my initial 3.5 months smoke-free, but I shudder to think how awful it would have been, if I hadn't already been cutting down for years before switching to vaping. And I'm pretty sure that smoking less than a pack a day of ultra-lights is why I'm able to be so content with my low-wattage tootle puffing at 3mg nicotine. The less a person smokes, the better; sure, total non-smoking is BEST, but there are lots of ways to get there; some of us just take a little longer.
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