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JuicyLucy

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Ah good ideas, and thanks for all the responses. I've been leary of diy because it looks complicated with all the calculators and percentages, lol.

But now I'm thinking of getting my paws in it. I'm too fearful of giving them even the last four of my social.

Any links anyone might suggest of easy and basic diy for beginners?

Thanks again for all the helpful info. Loving this place and I'm a newbie member.

DIY E-Liquid - (Do it yourself)

There is tons and tons of info on this section of the Forum

I know it can seem scary/confusing/overwhelming/too much at first - but it doesn't have to be.

It doesn't have to be expensive to start out either.

I started by trying to duplicate name-brand juice I already knew I liked - just googled the name of the juice with the word "recipe" and several popped up.
 

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Ah good ideas, and thanks for all the responses. I've been leary of diy because it looks complicated with all the calculators and percentages, lol.

But now I'm thinking of getting my paws in it. I'm too fearful of giving them even the last four of my social.

Any links anyone might suggest of easy and basic diy for beginners?

Thanks again for all the helpful info. Loving this place and I'm a newbie member.
i been in diy for a hot minute now and i still count drops when i mix... its not a perfect science but its given me some awesome juices so far and the equipment i need is nill, just straight bottle transfering. i only really measure vg and pg, everything else i count drops... 20 per ml.

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Ah good ideas, and thanks for all the responses. I've been leary of diy because it looks complicated with all the calculators and percentages, lol.

But now I'm thinking of getting my paws in it. I'm too fearful of giving them even the last four of my social.

Any links anyone might suggest of easy and basic diy for beginners?

Thanks again for all the helpful info. Loving this place and I'm a newbie member.
There is an entire forum here dedicated to DIY.
I recommend going to you tube and searching for DIY eliquid. and watching some videos to get a good idea of what it is all about.

Get some 1 ml/and 5 ml syringes. Bottles amazon is a good place for them.
some PG and VG USP grade. also can ge got from amazon.
Some nicotine 100 mg. I get mine from MFS.
 

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i been in diy for a hot minute now and i still count drops when i mix... its not a perfect science but its given me some awesome juices so far and the equipment i need is nill, just straight bottle transfering. i only really measure vg and pg, everything else i count drops... 20 per ml.

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I often recommend the drop method to people just starting out - especially where initial start up cost is an issue.

It is hands down the absolute least expensive way to begin - and that is a big deal to many folks.
 

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i been in diy for a hot minute now and i still count drops when i mix... its not a perfect science but its given me some awesome juices so far and the equipment i need is nill, just straight bottle transfering. i only really measure vg and pg, everything else i count drops... 20 per ml.

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Measure using blunt syringe. Drops are not accurate. Depends on the bottle and viscosity of the liquid.
1 and 5 ml blunt syringes are cheap. I keep rinsing in water and reusing.
 

JuicyLucy

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Measure using blunt syringe. Drops are not accurate. Depends on the bottle and viscosity of the liquid.
1 and 5 ml blunt syringes are cheap. I keep rinsing in water and reusing.

The drop method is a perfectly legitimate method but it's not for everybody. It is not so inaccurate to be ruled out. It is the most cost effective.

I've done a lot of work over the years measuring drops vs. weight. vs. volume and while drops are not the most accurate, it does suffice.

I too, prefer syringes.

Personally, I HATE the weighing on a scale method, but many swear by it.
 

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The drop method is a perfectly legitimate method but it's not for everybody. It is not so inaccurate to be ruled out. It is the most cost effective.

I've done a lot of work over the years measuring drops vs. weight. vs. volume and while drops are not the most accurate, it does suffice.

I too, prefer syringes.

Personally, I HATE the weighing on a scale method, but many swear by it.
Yep it will work until you switch flavor bottle styles or sizes then your measures are off.
Mix by weight? Only if it was making LARGE batches for sale or something.

also if you switch from the drop method to the syringe method you will have to adjust your recipe as 20 drops do not =1 ml as I found. In my measuers it was more like 32 drops for the dropper bottles I was using.

I actually still use drips in my recipes sometimes. for flavors that I just need a touch of in like a 120 ml batch. I will put maybe 2 drops of some flavors.
 

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DIY E-Liquid - (Do it yourself)

There is tons and tons of info on this section of the Forum

I know it can seem scary/confusing/overwhelming/too much at first - but it doesn't have to be.

It doesn't have to be expensive to start out either.

I started by trying to duplicate name-brand juice I already knew I liked - just googled the name of the juice with the word "recipe" and several popped up.

It may be something I check into, even if just to stock up on hard times vape supplies. Thank you for the link, looks like alot of helpful info that I'll definitely check out. :)

The sad thing is that these companies are being forced to get these verify checks. It's total bs... but at the same time I'd hate to see them go under and lose all of their customers because the fda are asshats.

Many of these vendors use a part of their proceeds to fight back against the fda and their unfair laws.

I'm going to have to think about this and do some hard research both online and perhaps at my bank, but if I have to go thru bluecheck just to get decent liquids then I may be forced to do just that. :eek::facepalm:
 

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i been in diy for a hot minute now and i still count drops when i mix... its not a perfect science but its given me some awesome juices so far and the equipment i need is nill, just straight bottle transfering. i only really measure vg and pg, everything else i count drops... 20 per ml.

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How interesting, that sounds much easier than all the percentages I was fearing. I tried to figure out how to use an ejuice calculator but it seemed so difficult to calculate the ingredients.

Thanks so much for the helpful info.:D
 

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There is an entire forum here dedicated to DIY.
I recommend going to you tube and searching for DIY eliquid. and watching some videos to get a good idea of what it is all about.

Get some 1 ml/and 5 ml syringes. Bottles amazon is a good place for them.
some PG and VG USP grade. also can ge got from amazon.
Some nicotine 100 mg. I get mine from MFS.

I'm looking forward to learning more about diy, but also hoping I don't mess up the percentages lol. I'm getting off topic.

What or who is mfs?o_O

And thank you for the helpful info as well. It definitely helps to get an idea of what I'm getting into before I dive in. :)
 

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Ah good ideas, and thanks for all the responses. I've been leary of diy because it looks complicated with all the calculators and percentages, lol.
But now I'm thinking of getting my paws in it. I'm too fearful of giving them even the last four of my social.
Any links anyone might suggest of easy and basic diy for beginners?
Thanks again for all the helpful info. Loving this place and I'm a newbie member.

yes links below :)

http://vapingunderground.com/
 

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What or who is mfs?o_O

myfreedomsmokes https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/

online vendors .. some other good recommended are:

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/
http://www.ecigexpress.com/
http://mamajsflavorshop.com/
https://www.chemnic.com/
https://www.liquidbarn.com/
http://www.essentialdepot.com/
http://diyordievaping.com/
http://wizardlabs.us/
http://www.vaperstek.org/

may seem overwhelming sometimes.. it is very simple .. many good recipes here to get you going / started without having to invest too much time or money. Pick a recipe or two and order just those flavors .. some nic some vg some pg (hamburger, salt, pepper, onions - just the same as making a meal!! ) for 11 dollars add in a scale .. and another 5 or 10 to get some bottles.. all set .. !! YOU CAN DO THIS.. VU will help!! :wave:
 

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myfreedomsmokes https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/

online vendors .. some other good recommended are:

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/
http://www.ecigexpress.com/
http://mamajsflavorshop.com/
https://www.chemnic.com/
https://www.liquidbarn.com/
http://www.essentialdepot.com/
http://diyordievaping.com/
http://wizardlabs.us/
http://www.vaperstek.org/

may seem overwhelming sometimes.. it is very simple .. many good recipes here to get you going / started without having to invest too much time or money. Pick a recipe or two and order just those flavors .. some nic some vg some pg (hamburger, salt, pepper, onions - just the same as making a meal!! ) for 11 dollars add in a scale .. and another 5 or 10 to get some bottles.. all set .. !! YOU CAN DO THIS.. VU will help!! :wave:

Wowzas, thanks so much for the links!:) I'm checking out simple diy starter kits now.
 
It's really up to the site to figure out what they want to do, but ClueCheck is theoretically supposed to verify once and then on all future orders just push them through as long as you're using the same shipping address (as far as I understand), we're probably going to go through them but we're looking at a few different vendors now.
 
It's really up to the site to figure out what they want to do, but ClueCheck is theoretically supposed to verify once and then on all future orders just push them through as long as you're using the same shipping address (as far as I understand), we're probably going to go through them but we're looking at a few different vendors now.
Ive been ordering through a vendor who uses Bluecheck. After my third time going through the verification process, not only is in not easier but it seems to be becoming more complicated and intrusive. I wont be ordering from MBV anymore. Which is sad because they've always been my favorite.
 

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ok I had no choice and used one vendor with bluecheck here is what I found out

first if the order and credit card company address is slightly off it will cause a selfie situation. in my example lets say you live in a suburb and your credit statement is address to the suburb and not the state. that flags the auto system.

so what I did was first a did one order it passed but forgot the phone number crap. went back had to change the state to my suburb. which passed auto check even thou they wanted a selfie once I relieved the suburb vs state issue it passes auto fine. once your order is process send an email to have your info purged

from the email I had with them.

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The only information that we store in our database is the customer's name, DOB, email, and cell phone number. If you submitted photos for a manual verification, those photos are hosted on an encrypted url that is not accessible to the public for 3 days. Then those photos are saved onto an offline drive and are deleted from the server. We keep the photos incase the merchant is audited by the FDA and needs a record of the verification.

Any sensitive information, such as the last four of SSN, is not stored at all in our database.

All of our data is secured via 256-bit encryption and we take your privacy very seriously. You can read our privacy policy here.
Also, if you want your data removed, you can email [email protected], our 24/7 support email, and they will remove your data from the system.
 

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I still want to know why they feel compelled to "store" my e-mail address and cell phone number - neither of which is necessary to do an age verification. I'll pass on this third party database holding onto that information.

Lot's of very small vendors are doing age verification now - without a third party holding onto information that they don't need to. Hmmm... wonder what BlueCheck is doing with those e-mail addresses and phone numbers?
 

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Ive been ordering through a vendor who uses Bluecheck. After my third time going through the verification process, not only is in not easier but it seems to be becoming more complicated and intrusive. I wont be ordering from MBV anymore. Which is sad because they've always been my favorite.

I hear you there Vapemiester. I had always used MVB as my go to for inexpensive, pre-made juice. Since BlueCheck, I've switched to Vape Wild. Very similar prices, age verification is inputting your birthdate only, freebies with each order, a huge selection & great customer service (along with a live chat feature with an employee that will answer any question you might have). Check them out, I'm very glad I did.
 

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Sadly this can all be avoided if the Vendor just offered adult signature required with USPS.

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smacksy

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Here in CA the legal smoking age is 21.
Can get a CC at 18..no way can a vendor verify legal age with a CC if you live in CA

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Here in CA the legal smoking age is 21.
Can get a CC at 18..no way can a vendor verify legal age with a CC if you live in CA

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Thus no need for sending pictures of your ID, SSN, etc over the internet if you live outside of CA ;)
 

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Thus no need for sending pictures of your ID, SSN, etc over the internet if you live outside of CA ;)
True, but I live in CA unfortunately, lol
Only thing I still love here is the weather..69° and sunny today...ordering nicotine juice online has become harder when these new regs passed.. :(

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True, but I live in CA unfortunately, lol
Only thing I still love here is the weather..69° and sunny today...ordering nicotine juice online has become harder when these new regs passed.. :(

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Problem is a lot of vendors will require you to send it. Further fact is the FDA regulations also only require age verification on those under 27.

One way is most Vendors who require this crap also have an alternative and that is a manual verification process.

Yep major pain in the ass
 

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Problem is a lot of vendors will require you to send it. Further fact is the FDA regulations also only require age verification on those under 27.

One way is most Vendors who require this crap also have an alternative and that is a manual verification process.

Yep major pain in the ass
I bit the bullet and used Blue check with my juice order from Valley Verde Vapes just now..
Most all online juice vendors have a age verification requirement today...And Brandon Swank, owner of VVV, assured me on the phone once verified I won't have to fill out the verification page again on future orders..and stated he has had zero problems with Blue check security issues with the 1000's of customers already verified..they do have great juice.. I ordered 340mls under $40 including shipping..

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I bit the bullet and used Blue check with my juice order from Valley Verde Vapes just now..
Most all online juice vendors have a age verification requirement today...And Brandon Swank, owner of VVV, assured me on the phone once verified I won't have to fill out the verification page again on future orders..and stated he has had zero problems with Blue check security issues with the 1000's of customers already verified..they do have great juice.. I ordered 340mls under $40 including shipping..

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I wouldn't expect Valley Verde Vapes to have problems with Blue check security issues. The customers who provided their personal information are at risk of future identity "problems" however.
 

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I wouldn't expect Valley Verde Vapes to have problems with Blue check security issues. The customers who provided their personal information are at risk of future identity "problems" however.
I know, but its the world we live in these days... unfortunately

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I bit the bullet and used Blue check with my juice order from Valley Verde Vapes just now..
Most all online juice vendors have a age verification requirement today...And Brandon Swank, owner of VVV, assured me on the phone once verified I won't have to fill out the verification page again on future orders..and stated he has had zero problems with Blue check security issues with the 1000's of customers already verified..they do have great juice.. I ordered 340mls under $40 including shipping..

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In order for me to order, I'll have to call on the phone. I don't have a cell phone to do the BC thing. :(:(
 

smacksy

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I don't like giving my cc number out over the phone
I had it hacked with SweetVapes right after placing a phone order.. :(

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I don't like giving my cc number out over the phone
I had it hacked with SweetVapes right after placing a phone order.. :(

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So did I about a year ago.
 

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It sucks that we are supposed to use blue check for orders online. But if a websites volume of sales is high then there really is no other choice. However being a smaller website like myself, I do one of two things. 1st if the customer uploads a one time photo of their I.D with sensitive info blacked out makes it good to go or if need be I am able to match the name with the address and credit card through background site. Both work but if my volume of sales wish to double, I would be forced to use blue check unfortunately.
 

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Blue Check is a disaster. We were about to use them - but we backed out when we found out they store your personal data. Going through the fine print I realized that they are not against storing the info and possibly selling it later to the highest bidder. We use Veratad - and they wipe the personal data after 24 hours according to my rep. They have no intention of keeping the data for longer than necessary. There is no storing your ID for later, we check ID only when absolutely necessary and I personally delete it afterwards. It doesn't go through a third-party server, I take responsibility personally for the deletion of the data, which is taken via email only.
 

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Doodlebugsejuice.com does not use any verifier. We have a 3rd party we use and do it manually with every sale that has not been checked before. Once a customer buys we know they are verified and we do not ask again. easy peasy/.
 
It sucks that we are supposed to use blue check for orders online. But if a websites volume of sales is high then there really is no other choice. However being a smaller website like myself, I do one of two things. 1st if the customer uploads a one time photo of their I.D with sensitive info blacked out makes it good to go or if need be I am able to match the name with the address and credit card through background site. Both work but if my volume of sales wish to double, I would be forced to use blue check unfortunately.
Doodlebugsejuice.com does not use any verifier. We have a 3rd party we use and do it manually with every sale that has not been checked before. Once a customer buys we know they are verified and we do not ask again. easy peasy/.[/QUOTE
Blue Check is a disaster. We were about to use them - but we backed out when we found out they store your personal data. Going through the fine print I realized that they are not against storing the info and possibly selling it later to the highest bidder. We use Veratad - and they wipe the personal data after 24 hours according to my rep. They have no intention of keeping the data for longer than necessary. There is no storing your ID for later, we check ID only when absolutely necessary and I personally delete it afterwards. It doesn't go through a third-party server, I take responsibility personally for the deletion of the data, which is taken via email only.
 
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Blue Check is a disaster. We were about to use them - but we backed out when we found out they store your personal data. Going through the fine print I realized that they are not against storing the info and possibly selling it later to the highest bidder. We use Veratad - and they wipe the personal data after 24 hours according to my rep. They have no intention of keeping the data for longer than necessary. There is no storing your ID for later, we check ID only when absolutely necessary and I personally delete it afterwards. It doesn't go through a
This is from Blue Check's website. It states that no personal data is sold or used for any reason other than the verification.
 

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wow! they changed that recently....
 
wow! they changed that recently....
As far as I know, they never sold or gave information to anyone. They simply had a poorly written Policy. That has been corrected as of about a month ago. They are currently testing the updated version 3 and it is already available on 1 or 2 E Commerce platforms.
 

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I know both use the same public databases for checking...which is strange considering some people check out with us and need no ID to verify, yet the same people try to check out with Blue Check and need to verify their SS...It doesn't add up.
 
Blue Check uses multiple databases including the larger commercially available databases which you are probably referring to. They also attempt to match using additional databases. Using the last four digits of the social sec number provides the most accurate match which is important in cases where there are common names.
 

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I know both use the same public databases for checking...which is strange considering some people check out with us and need no ID to verify, yet the same people try to check out with Blue Check and need to verify their SS...It doesn't add up.

It seems that BlueDreck has abysmal integration with a lot of the e-commerce systems that are out there. Even when they first got into this game for e-cig sites BlueCheck admitted on their web site that working solutions were "coming soon!" for several e-commerce systems being used that they didn't support at the time.

I had one recent order that seemed to complete without incident - the site asked for my DOB on the checkout page - and I even got an order number,

Then the next day I got an e-mail from the sites "security investigations" department - as they call it - accusing me of circumventing their age verification service and... directing me me to a BlueCheck URL to complete a manual age check. I was incensed. None of those damned Blue Check pop-ups ever showed up asking for anything as part of the checkout process. If I had known they used BlueCheck I would have never placed the order.

Every so often I get an e-mail from one of the vendors I subscribe to with practically an apology for their use of Blue Check, and notifying their customers that they have dropped the service and found an age verification service - that actually functions.
 

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As far as I know, they never sold or gave information to anyone. They simply had a poorly written Policy. That has been corrected as of about a month ago. They are currently testing the updated version 3 and it is already available on 1 or 2 E Commerce platforms.

"...it is already available on 1 or 2 E Commerce platforms."

Wow. That's slightly better than zero. :slowclap:
 

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